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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    I don't think you should be surprised that most people who know fragrances would say original is better. It is very rare that the reformulated is better. What usually happens is the reform is worse - what sometimes happens is the reform is on par or slightly less good than the original.

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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Sometimes a reformulation is done simply because the house wants to "change things up" instead of making the "same old thing." But that's not nearly as common as it happening due to unavailable ingredients or new IFRA restrictions.

    If you already know the original, chances are you won't be happy with the new version. When you experience a fragrance, you "settle in" to it, get to know it, over a long period. It's a kind of bonding. Human beings are inherently drawn to what is familiar. So if the fragrance changes, it's not a good feeling.

    In my limited experience thus far, reformulations that don't change the notes composition much tend to reduce the percentage of oils (more alcohol or "filler" by volume). And while the person who is new to the fragrance won't notice it, those who are familiar certainly will. Davidoff Zino is a fine example of this. Still smells a lot like the original, but one of the notes is toned down and overall it's slightly weaker. It's still OK, but if given the chance to get the vintage, I'll gladly pay an extra $10 on a 125ml bottle to get it.
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    I feel like I'm able to be objective about what my nose likes as opposed to saying I dislike something simply because it's different, maybe markedly so, from what it used to be like and what i used to appreciate. Having said that I can say with certainty that Le Male and D and G Pour Homme have to me declined in quality by a huge degree with me personally finding the reformulation of a D and G harder to bear. That stuff was surreally beautiful in its vintage form, a real quality fragrance that reeked of class and sophistication and now it has this bizarre tobacco smelling note that dominates and I've gone from absolutely loving it (as did everyone around me) to really disliking it so it's basically a new fragrance in the same bottle. A case for false advertising? Perhaps not but really I feel that a reformulated fragrance has no right to call itself what it used to be, it is not that anymore. If Nintendo developed a game and then decided to change it and re release it, would it still be called 'Super Mario 64' or would there be some sort of acknowledgement of how it's ultimately a different thing? A thing isn't fixed as THAT thing and so they are disrespecting the original and far superior fragrances when they afford the new ones the privilege of being the apparent same thing.

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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Quote Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post
    Fragrances don't get reformulated for the better. Companies are usually forced to due to regulations, or the desire for profit.
    Unfortunately, this is so true, in my experience. I've never come into contact with a reform that was actually better than the original. In a decent number of cases, the reform avoids ruining the original, but it's not really ever the same.

    I've even some a couple (looking at you, VC&A Tsar), where a subsequent reform actually improved upon a previous reform that ruined the original.

    Reformulation seems like a weird business. I agree with the above, that it seems like it's driven by the need to increase margins in one way or another. Fair enough, just a shame sometimes when a very good original formulation becomes no more.

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    If they want us to pay what you'd pay for a decent bottle of wine (from what I understand), then they should at least tell us what the date of the batch is! LOL.

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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    If I have smelled and learned to love a Fragrance, I get mightily hacked off when it is changed. Recently I have discovered that L'Air de Rien, and Knize 10 (two fragrances I loved) have been reformulated. I doubt if I will buy either again.
    Eek! Care to elaborate, David? I'm particularly surprised to hear that about Knize Ten. Should we pounce now or is it already too late?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoschhti View Post
    Drseid, I think this is the right thread to ask: I see that you have listed "Dia Man vintage" as one of your favourite perfumes. How does it compare to the current formulation? I really love the current version, but it would be interesting to know if it's worth to hunt down a vintage bottle. Thanks!
    The current version (or at least the one I sniffed a couple years back) is quite similar to the original stuff I own. If a vintage bottle came around for similar money I would recommend snatching it up, but the current release is only *slightly* different and is absolutely superb in its own right. Not worth the time hunting down the original Dia Man if you already own the current version unless you are a collector and prefer the original bottle style, IMO.
    Current Top Favorites:
    1) Portrait of a Lady original formula (EdP Frédéric Malle)
    2) Giorgio for Men vintage/V.I.P. for Men (Giorgio Beverly Hills)
    3) Dia Man vintage edt (Amouage)
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    Anat Fritz Original Formula and Classical (Anat Fritz) - tie
    4) Lalfeorosa (O'driù) - tie

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    Les Nombres d'Or Vetyver (Mona di Orio)
    7) Captain vintage (Molyneux)
    8) Tzora (Anat Fritz)
    9) Javanese Patchouli (Zegna) - tie
    9) Monsieur de Givenchy vintage (Givenchy) - tie
    9) Coeur de Vetiver Sacré (L'Artisan) - tie
    9) X for Men (Clive Christian) - tie
    9) Patou pour Homme Privé (Jean Patou) - tie
    9) Oud Shamash (The Different Company) - tie

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    Reformulated. I prefer the peace of mind that comes from knowing that that IFRA and the perfume industry are making scents safer for me
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    I actually like some reformulation better than their originals.
    Tubereuse Criminelle by Serge Lutens in the export bottle smells better than the one in the bell-jar, it is creamier, less harsh and much more easy to wear and enjoy.
    Do Son by Diptyque smells much more natural when an ingredient that supposed to smell like white flower is removed from the scent since it is banned by IFRA.

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    I usually prefer the original versions. The exception is M7. I prefer M7 Oud Absolu.

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    It depends on the fragrance.
    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    I usually prefer the original versions. The exception is M7. I prefer M7 Oud Absolu.
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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    I usually prefer the original versions. The exception is M7. I prefer M7 Oud Absolu.
    I always get a warm fuzzy feeling when I see people prefer the M7 Oud Absolu.
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    Im so glad I made this thread. So much conversing! Very interesting to read about everyones varying opinions about this subject.

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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Original. With all the allergens included please.
    Some people are allergic to tree's, but we dont burn them down. Some people are allergic to peanuts, but we still make peanut butter.
    And of course some people are allergic to perfume ingredients, well I say suffer. Nothing is better then the sweet noxious compounds of the originals. I say suffer, and suffer well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    Eek! Care to elaborate, David? I'm particularly surprised to hear that about Knize Ten. Should we pounce now or is it already too late?
    I compared a sample of L'Air de Rien dipped in John Lewis in London, with my old sample at home as I had a feeling that it would have been reformulated, even though the sale's assistant was convinced it hadn't been. My old sample is about 10 years old. They are not the same. After a few hours on smelling strips the original sample and the new sample start to diverge. The Moss and Nitromusk mix in the original is missing from the newer version, and what is left is a softer, sweeter (probably Macrocyclic) musk. It is not a bad reformulation, but a reformulation all the same, and the fragrance is poorer for it.

    With Knize 10, I bought a new bottle from Les Senteurs in London, to replace my nearly finished bottle. I ordered it on line so did not have a chance to smell before I bought. The two samples are very different. The newer version is weaker, lacks the rubber top note and is lacking in Moss in the dry down. Still a pleasant enough fragrance, but I don't want "pleasant" with Knize 10. Doesn't last as long either.

    I think it is already too late.

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    depends on the fragrance.
    I like original version of Joop pour homme. But also reformulated version of encre noire smells better too.

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    ^ That's the second time I've read someone saying that Encre Noire was reformulated with preferable results. What changed for the better?
    Currently wearing: By Man by Dolce & Gabbana

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    Own the reformulated versions of DHI, Le Male, and Joop! Homme...could not be happier. Way too much hype has been put into Vintage formulas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navyy8 View Post
    Own the reformulated versions of DHI, Le Male, and Joop! Homme...could not be happier. Way too much hype has been put into Vintage formulas.
    Well, I hardly ever get a message from someone saying they will swap me their vintage for my reformulated, even if I give them 2 or 3 for 1 deals, so I say to all those who say such things, "put your bottles where your mouth is." LOL.

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    [QUOTE=Bigsly;3060881]Well, I hardly ever get a message from someone saying they will swap me their vintage for my reformulated, even if I give them 2 or 3 for 1 deals, so I say to all those who say such things, "put your bottles where your mouth is."

    Again, good deal via hype...seems IFRA "bashing" has become sport on BN, and has been a commendable ploy to raise value on vintage.

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    Well, I have the current and previous formulations of Davidoff Zino and... I'd take the earlier version in a heartbeat. While they are very close, the original has more punch, more fullness of aroma. And definitely lasts longer. I conducted my own spray tests to confirm this.

    So did IFRA restrictions force a change on this particular fragrance? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJD View Post
    I prefer what is AVAILABLE.

    Since I have no access to vintage, I try to keep my life simple : do I like what's on the shelves right now ?

    1. Yes : I buy it.

    2. No : next fragrance !
    I agree - I just find myself not having the discipline to stick to this lol.

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    I am not a fan of Ifras rules. Its an attempt at Global communism. If people are allergic to a fragrance thats their problem.
    Some people are allergic to trees, peanuts, penicillin, But we dont ban those. Or wait, maybe we should, that is, Lets cut down every tree, ban peanuts, and outlaw penicillin. "Im sorry sir but you will just have to die of your Ghonorea."
    Because after all, some people are allergic. And that ladies and gentlemen summarizes what I think of IFRA.

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    This is like asking: do you prefer being dead or alive? Although a tiny minority of people may prefer to be dead, the vast majority of us would prefer to go on living

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navyy8 View Post
    Again, good deal via hype...seems IFRA "bashing" has become sport on BN, and has been a commendable ploy to raise value on vintage.

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    Would you be kind enough to explain this statement? I have no idea what point you are making. In any case, it does appear that you would not accept any argument made for vintage, and so you more or less render your opinion irrelevant (since you will simply call anything you don't want to hear "hype"). And note that I am not an "IFRA basher" because my opinion is that poor reformulations began long before IFRA guidelines made much of a difference.
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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Everything is good in its time.

    Back in the old days, they used pure leather,
    slik, wool, etc for everyday wear.
    Today, these will be expensive, and synthetics have emerged.
    likewise with perfumes.
    Back then, there were quality perfumes but they were only few.
    Now quality might have gone down but options increased

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    Default Re: Do you prefer Original or reformulated versions of fragrances?

    Quote Originally Posted by LJD View Post
    I prefer what is AVAILABLE.

    Since I have no access to vintage, I try to keep my life simple : do I like what's on the shelves right now ?

    1. Yes : I buy it.

    2. No : next fragrance !
    Totally agree

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