Code of Conduct
Results 1 to 30 of 30
  1. #1

    Default Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Now that I can discern this scent for certain in the CN flower,
    I'm trying to figure out how to make it last in an accord. I don't
    have anything similar (coumarin maybe, but it's quite remote)..
    The heliotropin from PA is a bit too creamy for me.. Any
    suggestions (other than making a Schiff's base with it?)

    Thank you

  2. #2
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    Now that I can discern this scent for certain in the CN flower,
    I'm trying to figure out how to make it last in an accord. I don't
    have anything similar (coumarin maybe, but it's quite remote)..
    The heliotropin from PA is a bit too creamy for me.. Any
    suggestions (other than making a Schiff's base with it?)

    Thank you
    I don't have any benzaldehyde so I can only go by it's description but the anise aldehyde schiff base I made last night definitely has an almond, cherry, anise, cinnamon aspect to it - I smell more of a balsamic cinnamon than anything else but the notes are there for sure. In fact I spilled half of it when I knocked the bottle over, I threw the towels in the trash after mopping it up. When my wife opened the trash she asked me "what smells like almond/cherry/vanilla"?
    Justin E. Beasley

  3. #3

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    It's the vanilla aspect I'm afraid of. I guess these two aldehydes are the answer, though..
    Have you noticed longer longevity with that base?

  4. #4
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    It's the vanilla aspect I'm afraid of. I guess these two aldehydes are the answer, though..
    Have you noticed longer longevity with that base?
    I haven't used it yet, there is almost no vanilla note to it so you might be pleasantly surprised. I don't get a sweet aspect, more powdery but your sense about it might be different.
    Justin E. Beasley

  5. #5

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Hmm.. Ok. I'll wait and see..
    Trying to avoid powderiness whenever I can..

  6. #6
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    Hmm.. Ok. I'll wait and see..
    Trying to avoid powderiness whenever I can..
    I can understand that. I've been struggling with too much powder lately too and it's just as frustrating as too much sweet. Although, I revisited my collection of mistakes and experiments last night and found a few that are really coming along and some really soapy and overpoweringly powdery things are getting better with age and smoothing out nicely.
    Justin E. Beasley

  7. #7

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Powder, Funny that today I came across two powder formulas for a piece of Shalimar and another frag,... And I hate Powder too.
    Paul Kiler
    PK Perfumes
    http://www.PKPERFUMES.com
    Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon

  8. #8
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Powder, Funny that today I came across two powder formulas for a piece of Shalimar and another frag,... And I hate Powder too.
    Sounds like it's powder themed week.
    Justin E. Beasley

  9. #9

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    From what I've read on TGSC, it seems like para-methyl acetophenone could be longer lasting than benzaldehyde, but I have no experience with it. The regular acetophenone isn't very long lasting. I too would love to hear of longer lasting almond notes. I used to love the almond fragrance oil that The Body Shop had, and it seemed to last for so very long. I would love to know what they used. Is there an almond-cherry-coumarin note that could stand in as a heart note, say between benzaldehyde and coumarin?

    You could also look into anisyl acetate. It's not really almondy per se, but it's supposed to have a plummy coumarin powdery smell. I remember it smelling sort of powdery and vaguely 'pink.'

  10. #10

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Oish, powdery smells..
    Seems that para-methyl-acetophnone will be hard to find in small quantities.. Maybe some on the anise notes will work for what I need.. Those GC's are mostly useless.. I think I will have to find ways around to get to something similar to what I'm after..

  11. #11

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    para-methyl acetophenone can be gotten at creatingperfume.com. (They also have heliotropyl acetone, which won't help you much -either- because they don't ship that internationally, but just so you know.) Unfortunately, their shipping is a beeyotch. anisyl acetate is available at perfumersapprentice.com.
    Last edited by edshepp; 9th February 2014 at 08:07 PM. Reason: addition

  12. #12

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Argh.. Wish I had added it to my latest order from CP.. Ho well..
    I was thinking of maybe combining helional with coumarin.. Will test this out later this week!

  13. #13

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    I love powdery fragrances. Ombre Rose, Shalimar, Habit Rouge, L'Heure Bleu, even the Johnson and Johnson baby powder fragrance; all quite perfect.

  14. #14
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    I love powdery fragrances. Ombre Rose, Shalimar, Habit Rouge, L'Heure Bleu, even the Johnson and Johnson baby powder fragrance; all quite perfect.
    I like powdery too but not when it's too powdery and combined with soapy. Although I'm not sure what makes powdery seem soapy accept maybe the other notes that might normally be reminiscent of soap like the pines, cedar and lavender... I loved the Lagerfeld of the 80's.
    Justin E. Beasley

  15. #15

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    I love powdery fragrances. Ombre Rose, Shalimar, Habit Rouge, L'Heure Bleu, even the Johnson and Johnson baby powder fragrance; all quite perfect.
    Would have never guessed you would like powdery scents!

  16. #16

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    Would have never guessed you would like powdery scents!
    Why so? And if not, then what?

  17. #17

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Initially I thought this because you seem so clear and to the point, and powdery doesn't smell like this to me.. But I was walking in the street and pass by some guy who wore something really powders, and realized powdery doesn't have to be soft and feminine.. I thought you'd like more herbal scents, or heady florals (but maybe I'm projecting my own likes )..
    Hope you're not taking and offence, and finding this amusing.

  18. #18

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    Initially I thought this because you seem so clear and to the point, and powdery doesn't smell like this to me.. But I was walking in the street and pass by some guy who wore something really powders, and realized powdery doesn't have to be soft and feminine.. I thought you'd like more herbal scents, or heady florals (but maybe I'm projecting my own likes )..
    Hope you're not taking and offence, and finding this amusing.
    It takes a great deal for me to take offence; I always find you amusing.

  19. #19

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    one more thing around the benzaldehyde note: Lothar Streeck has para-tolualdehyde (4-methylbenzaldehyde) for sale in 20g quantities, so that could also be an option, I suppose. TGSC says the substantivity is 120 hours.

  20. #20

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Hmm.. 20 gr is too much :\
    Maybe I'll get some stuff from them if there are more things I want to get, but their
    site doesn't make it easy.. Ever smelled cuminaldehyde?

  21. #21

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    No, the site does not make it easy! I haven't smelled cuminaldehyde, but it may make it to my second to-buy list from them. On the list of things to buy first would include Cervolide, Musk R1 and zingerone.

  22. #22

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    TGSC carry that too.. Buy they don't ship here :\
    Anyone planning a buy from them and willing to help a guy in a war stricken country? :0

  23. #23

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Argh.. The anisic aldehyde is too "aldehyde".. I guess I will have to wait till I can buy some
    acetophenone or tolualdehyde..

  24. #24
    Basenotes Plus

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Grants Pass, Oregon
    Posts
    620

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizan View Post
    Argh.. The anisic aldehyde is too "aldehyde".. I guess I will have to wait till I can buy some
    acetophenone or tolualdehyde..
    If you're looking for a base material then try making a base from the anisic aldehyde and MA, it looses that intense dusty aldehydic character and becomes sweeter and deeper. You could even try a blend between anisic aldehyde and hexyl cinnamic aldehyde and MA
    Justin E. Beasley

  25. #25

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    EDSHEPP, I bought a kilo of cuminaldehyde do you need some?

    It is so very strong, it'll probably go bad long before I can use it or sell it off. It's always stored here under Argon, as it oxidizes quickly otherwise.

    PK
    Paul Kiler
    PK Perfumes
    http://www.PKPERFUMES.com
    Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon

  26. #26

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    A kilo of Cumin Aldehyde? That is going to last a seriously long time! It is such a strong smelling chemical; the major component of Cumin Seed Oil and reeking of Cumin. A little goes a very long way.

  27. #27

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    A kilo of Cumin Aldehyde? That is going to last a seriously long time! It is such a strong smelling chemical; the major component of Cumin Seed Oil and reeking of Cumin. A little goes a very long way.

    Yeah Yeah, I know, but I couldn't get it any other way.

    I plan to get it to the Perfumers Supply House so she can sell off some of it. I certainly don't need a whole kilo of it.

    PK
    Paul Kiler
    PK Perfumes
    http://www.PKPERFUMES.com
    Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon

  28. #28

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    Got some para methyl acetophenone.. It's much closer to coumarin than benzaldehyde -
    pretty penetrating and lacking the sweetness benzaldehyde has.. And so the search
    continues..

  29. #29

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    PK---I wouldn't say I need the cuminaldehyde; I'm just curious. But if it oxidises very quickly, then maybe I shouldn't get any, since I have less than ideal storage conditions.

    Nizan--how long does the pm-acetophenone last? Would you say it's a base note?

  30. #30

    Default Re: Less volatile alternatives to benzaldehyde

    I don't usually check for longevity.. Do you want me to? But you'll have to remind me to check it

Similar Threads

  1. volatile coffee EO
    By Abu Ayoob in forum Fragrance DIY
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 5th May 2013, 09:32 AM
  2. Almond / Benzaldehyde
    By Asha in forum Note Pad: Single Note Exploration
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 16th October 2012, 06:59 AM
  3. Polo Black as the most volatile scent!
    By andrewsidi in forum Just Starting Out
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 1st February 2012, 08:28 AM
  4. Fixation of volatile notes
    By rubegon in forum Fragrance DIY
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 3rd November 2011, 05:15 AM
  5. Are fragrances volatile to plastic containers?
    By Scentronic in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 3rd January 2008, 12:22 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •