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    Default EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    PARIS — Fragrance formulation might become more complex very soon.

    The European Commission (EC) said Thursday it intends to prohibit the use of three ingredients in...

    I dont have access to the rest of the article on wwd.com but

    the ingredients which the EC wants to ban are Coumarin, Citral and Eugenol. I think that would be catastrophic for the industry IMO.

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    Huh. Here it says eugenol fights cancer.: http://odishasuntimes.com/27129/tuls...-fight-cancer/

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    If this prohibition of notes continue I fear for what the future has in store for fragrances.
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    Making it difficult for us folks.

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    Reuters have more info. - it's just more of the never-ending restrictions.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0LI4BQ20140213
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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    It seems like each year they find something else to pick on and add to the controversy.

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    Are there any organizations that fight back against these groups that are banning these ingredients? You would think the fragrance industry would lobby heavily against them. I noticed it said the European Commission is banning them. Does that mean what is also sold in the states??

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    There are so many threads on this subject, jarrodrocks.

    The E.U. Regulations are frequently discussed here.

    These links provide some information on the problems currently faced.

    http://www.ctpa.org.uk/content.aspx?pageid=303

    http://www.ifraorg.org/en-us/standar...x?pageid=303FQ
    Last edited by lpp; 13th February 2014 at 07:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    There are so many threads on this subject, jarrodrocks.

    The E.U. Regulations are frequently discussed here.

    These links provide some information on the problems currently faced.

    http://www.ctpa.org.uk/content.aspx?pageid=303

    http://www.ifraorg.org/en-us/standar...x?pageid=303FQ
    Thanks for the info

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    You're welcome, jarrodrocks - the consumer doesn't appear to have any influence on this, other than by purchasing non-compliant goods....

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    BCan someone humor me with an answer to something I've been think g about...I don't keep up with these things and am fairly ignorant to how it really works.

    Do houses have to go by regulations? Or is it more of a lets just conform type thing. Is it illegal for someone to sell a fragrance with a 'banned' material even if the house is not a big name brand? Is the actual ingredient illegal to buy for the house itself?

    I'm trying to wrap my head around why someone would just be able to buy a fragrance with oak moss, knowing that it hasn't passed regulations.

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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Reuters have more info. - it's just more of the never-ending restrictions.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0LI4BQ20140213
    This article angered me. What a bunch of ugly f##king nonsense!
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    @ aphexacid - In EU countries, non-compliance leads to problems marketing a product or probably defending a court case brought by someone whose life has been totally ruined by wearing a non-compliant product...but it's perfectly fine over here to sell peanuts

    Food is far less regulated than cosmetics here.

    The ingredients being used are increasingly produced by very large manufacturers, with the trend being towards the use of synthetics - some of those are also increasingly regulated.

    Houses which are IFRA members comply with the standards issued by the IFRA.

    Quote from IFRA website
    The IFRA Standards form the basis for the globally accepted and recognized risk management system for the safe use of fragrance ingredients and are part of the IFRA Code of Practice.

    This is the self-regulating system of the industry, based on risk assessments carried out by an independent Expert Panel.

    So, consumers have choices - but producers have an increasingly difficult time producing non-compliant products within, or for sale in, the E.U. whether or not they are IFRA members.

    Restricted ingredients are still available for purchase here.
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    just put a fuc***g warning label mofos. Prohibiting such fundamental ingredients would just destroy the fragrance industry.


    LOL at this tidbit in the article :

    Since its creation in 1973, IFRA, which is financed by scent makers such as Givaudan, New York-listed International Flavors & Fragrances and Germany's Symrise, has restricted natural ingredients for a range of health reasons, from worries about allergies to cancer concerns.



    So ban natural ingredients man has been using for centuries and replace them with "safe synthetics" produced by Givaudan or other companies lol. I smell bullshit.
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    So ban natural ingredients man has been using for centuries and replace them with "safe synthetics" produced by Givaudan or other companies lol. I smell bullshit.
    Me too. It's just another way for them to grow their business. It's the same for farmers who have to buy their seeds from the big agriculture seed manufacturer. My question is; does a US based company like Sonoma scent studio have to comply? Can they just release one version in the US and another in the EU?

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    They might as well place an ad on ebay saying "buy up all the vintage fragrances you can now because they won't ever be available again!" LOL.

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    Lol......It would make everything I have vintage and I own zero vintage. On the positive side, our wardrobe value would increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsteve View Post
    The "idiotic leftist" part is precisely correct.
    What on earth are you people talking about? What's 'leftist' about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevation View Post
    Me too. It's just another way for them to grow their business. It's the same for farmers who have to buy their seeds from the big agriculture seed manufacturer. My question is; does a US based company like Sonoma scent studio have to comply? Can they just release one version in the US and another in the EU?
    Non IFRA members in the U.S.A.do not have to comply in respect of items sold outside the E.U.

    Economically it might not make sense to release different versions for sale in the E.U. - people here will presumably be attracted by reputation to non-compliant products so there would be little benefit in making them compliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoombung View Post
    What on earth are you people talking about? What's 'leftist' about it?

    Absolutely nothing in terms of the overall representation in the EU (which was predominantly centre right last time I looked) - it's just people politicising this thread - presumably in an attempt to have it closed.

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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    It makes no sense that it is an organization supported by the manufacturers- to police themselves. Along with other competitors, of course. I suppose that is intended to drive the independents away. This isn't even a government organization though, as near as I can tell. I don't understand why they have authority.

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    IFRA members comply with IFRA rules - everyone over here in the E.U. is subject to the local law whether IFRA members or not.

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    What happened before 1973 before the IFRA was established? Were emergency rooms being flooded with people who were exposed to too much oak moss or any of the over 100 other substances( many natural and used for many years) they have banned? What company would want to poison their customer? The issue I have with the IFRA is that their success is directly related to banning substances. It keeps them relevant and necessary. A real conflict of interest in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.

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    Well, here's a link to an IFRA news post about the proposed EU regulations.
    http://www.ifraorg.org/en-us/press-r...5#.Uv1gtHna5FQ

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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    I try not to overreact to things like this. But this seems, in itself, to be an extreme overreaction by the European Commission, or maybe by IRFA, and I don't understand why no middle way has been considered. The potential of a substance to be an allergen affecting a small amount of people doesn't seem to result in bans in any other context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevation View Post
    ...My question is; does a US based company like Sonoma scent studio have to comply?
    From the Nombre Noire thread over a week ago:
    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    ... in California, the state legislature passed SB 484 to establish the California Safe Cosmetics Act of 2005. Almost all the organized lobbying against the passage of that bill was done by Flavor and Extract Manufacturers Association (FEMA) and
    Fragrance Materials Association (FMA). I wonder whether a hue and cry from consumers of these products would have changed anything.

    Adding: There's a summary of the law in plain language on this website: http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/cosm...s/default.aspx
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/374978-Nombre-Noir
    Sonoma Scent Studios is required to comply with the CA law when selling in CA. I'm unsure whether it also applies to everything they manufacture in CA. Maybe one of the perfumers in CA who post on basenotes knows more about the regulations here.
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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    Nothing new. Governments and non-governmental regulatory agencies main purpose is to increase control and power. Their stated reason for existence comes second.

    First they came...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrodrocks View Post
    What happened before 1973 before the IFRA was established? Were emergency rooms being flooded with people who were exposed to too much oak moss or any of the over 100 other substances( many natural and used for many years) they have banned? What company would want to poison their customer? The issue I have with the IFRA is that their success is directly related to banning substances. It keeps them relevant and necessary. A real conflict of interest in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
    Ditto.

    And then there are these excerpts from the reuters article.

    The European Commission on Thursday proposed tighter regulation of the $31 billion fragrance industry with a series of bans, labelling requirements and research projects aimed at protecting consumers from allergies.

    "We have to find a way of ensuring security of consumers but also avoid causing damage to the industry," said a spokesman for Neven Mimica, European Commissioner for Consumer Safety.


    Hey Neven and the EC -- FUCK YOU!
    I'm sorry for being crass, but this sends my blood pressure into the stroke danger zone.
    I believe in personal accountability and personal responsibility. I'm a big boy. If I want to put oakmoss, birch tar, eugenol, linalool, citra etc. on my skin, so be it. I don't need some Big Brother like agency looking out for me. Protecting us from allergies. Allergies? Really!! Security of consumers. Bullshit! Give me a break. This isn't about protecting us. This is about control. JMO.
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    Perhaps if Europeans showered more frequently they would not need to use so much fragrance! Just kidding, of course.

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