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    I think the EU is more likely to be influenced by input from their constituents than by persons from non-EU countries, so it is especially important that EU citizens use their voice if they disagree with what has been announced as likely to happen this week.

    Please pardon my ignorance on the way things work in the EU, but I imagine there are procedures in place that allow oppty for public input via hearings, written arguments, etc. It's seems likely to me the deadline for such input has expired. The media coverage suggest this is a done deal. Requests that a final decision be postponed to allow more input, in consideration of recent increased public awareness and concern, might be wise at this point.

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    http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consu..._201402_en.htm

    Deadline: May 14th

    worth a try, i would guess they are used to recieve emails from consumers complaining or communicating their opinion directly to the Directorate General

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    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    Are fragrance companies not confident in their own product testing, instead deferring to the IFRA regulations?
    Virtually all of the mainstream fragrances and many of the niche brand ones - around 70+% of all fragrances - are actually made by the four or five 'majors' who constitute the IFRA (Givaudan, IFF, Symrise et al). They 'police' themselves. The other main perfume companies who have more control over their own manufacture (Guerlain, Chanel and to an extent now, Dior) also have to comply with the regulations put in place by the EU, in collaboration with IFRA.

    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    When was the last time the IFRA police issued a ban to retail stores not to sell a given fragrance? Or an IFRA police team raided a perfumery accused of using banned ingredients? Or more plausibly, the IFRA issuing a public warning about perfumeries that have been caught violating their stated bans? I've never seen a stamp on a fragrance package that says "IFRA compliant". Just how is this ENFORCED?


    Forgive me, I am naive on the subject. I just don't understand all of this "fear" that seems attributed.
    The IFRA do have a threatening guideline somewhere (do some reading - there's lots of info around) but what is happening here is politics and big business - it's like Monsanto and the FDA. A European 'standard' has been created and can be enforced. However the real FEAR is simply from a lawsuit. If just one person sued a perfume company for a physical condition, an allergy that might require doctors bills, a day or two off work, embarassment and mental stress because of an unsightly rash . . . use your imagination here, it's a terrific one for the ambulance chasers - then if the perfume company can say 'we are IFRA compliant' then they have the full weight of the scientific resources of the European Union as a defence. If they are NOT IFRA compliant, they can look forward to a long queue of lawyers outside their door the next day - they are fair game.

    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    Why can't they make a disclaimer on a fragrance about the potential allergenic constituents, much the way the food industry warns everyone that "this product may contain nuts"?
    Quite. That would be the sensible thing to do. But it might scare off customers - it doesn't exactly gel with the whole romance of perfumery, does it? We all know the roses are picked by virgins at dawn on the summer equinox etc. etc. don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Virtually all of the mainstream fragrances and many of the niche brand ones - around 70+% of all fragrances - are actually made by the four or five 'majors' who constitute the IFRA (Givaudan, IFF, Symrise et al). They 'police' themselves. The other main perfume companies who have more control over their own manufacture (Guerlain, Chanel and to an extent now, Dior) also have to comply with the regulations put in place by the EU, in collaboration with IFRA.
    Well is that self-serving, or what? Wait...it's like the... Federal Reserve! A board constituting large banking corporations making decisions for all financial business to be compliant.

    In any case... there are many processed food products with warnings about "may contain nuts" or was "created in a facility that processes nuts", which don't seem to detract at all from sales. Cigarettes have had cancer warnings on their labels for years with little impact on their sales, at least not until more medical evidence was unearthed, in addition to indictments of tobacco companies for hiding evidence of unhealthy side effects. So a small imprinting on the fragrance package is all that is needed. I seriously don't think this will scare off purchases.

    I think the IFRA does some good with respect to the preservation of rare natural materials that have been over exploited. To me, that should be their primary function. And yes, if a given oil is identified for possibly incurring rashes for 1% or more of the population, then definitely ban the use. Otherwise... let the buyer decide.

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    If Renato's vision comes to pass I will gladly join Kaern in the woods.
    Ban Eugenol and Coumarin? That writes off at least 80% of the frags I own made in the last 20 years. If the future is doomed to smell like Febreze I will do the unforgivable and cut off my own nose.
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    I am thoroughly discouraged. I doubt any of these EU officials give a flying fig what some perfume-lover in Nebraska (Nebraska? Is that even on this planet?) thinks about their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socalwoman View Post
    Here's some of it:

    http://ec.europa.eu/health/scientifi...tion_04_en.htm
    There's probably more recent stuff about allergens somewhere on their site. I'll keep digging. The new regs are also supposedly intended to protect reproductive health too. There should be some information considered about that on the site as well.
    Thanks for that link. Very interesting.

    "Most GPs (general practitioners, primary care physicians) in Western Europe, North America and Australia say the number of people diagnosed each year with eczema is has been rising in recent years."

    "Experts say that people with eczema are born with it - it is a genetically inherited condition. It can be worsened with exposure to external or environmental factors such as pollen or pet fur, and internal factors such as hormone levels and stress."

    I wonder if the rate of eczema increase is proportionate to the population increase. Otherwise... it's about environmental triggers causing it in people with the genetic predisposition. Also... once triggered, you can't put it back in remission. It becomes a chronic condition that needs to be controlled. So the medical community is concerned with minimizing the triggers for those who are vulnerable. If certain fragrance ingredients increase the triggers then... I can understand their need to ban.

    We're also faced with the lack of data... regarding the past. Who knows how many people contracted eczema from fragrance related exposure? Certainly newspapers weren't going about reporting these. Just because we didn't hear about any reports doesn't mean they didn't happen.

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    I like Redneck Perfumisto's suggestion (and Edmond Rounitska's idea) about wearing perfume on clothes. Perhaps the houses should come up with a non-dermal product, kind like of room sprays, but dedicated to clothes. This could allow us to literally wear perfumes containing all these sensitising ingredients.

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    Meanwhile, there are some weird things happening already. I could be totally wrong on this and would hate to instill any paranoia, but just hear me out )

    It looks like Burberry London and YSL's La Nuit are being messed with RIGHT NOW. London is pretty heavy on opoponax which is rumored to get banned. It also has some lavender and is fixed with oakmoss. It is not on Burberrys website anymore. Amazon still has it, but what's remarkable is that they sell it full list price, not a penny discounted. When do they ever do that?

    Second observation - La Nuit de l'homme, heavy on lavender and coumarin, seems harder to come by nowadays as well. I was trying to buy a big bottle the other day - it was sold out in Nordstrom, Sephora had just ONE small bottle left in stock and it is not available on amazon directly (not counting 3rd parties). I did buy a bottle from Macys that day but I have to admit I was surprised I had to do multiple stops in order to make that purchase. I always remembered this scent as something that the shelves were always well stocked with...

    Maybe I am connecting the dots that arent there, but who knows.. At the very least, all of this looks like noticeable disruptions in supply chains so a closer look may be advised...
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    I think it was Tania Sanchez who said, several years ago in 'The Guide', something along the lines of:

    "If you find something you really like, buy an extra one because it may not be the same tomorrow".

    More true now than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
    http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consu..._201402_en.htm

    Deadline: May 14th

    worth a try, i would guess they are used to recieve emails from consumers complaining or communicating their opinion directly to the Directorate General
    Thanks for link. I've just sent them email:

    "Dear European Commission,

    I am very sad to see upcomming regulation in using of 3 ingredients that are large part of majority of current perfumes. For a fragrance lover and collector (who buys much more fragrances than your average consumer) this is the end of my fragrance journey and end of my hobby. It is sad to see that you've choosed to ban few ingredients that can be dangerous to maybe 1% of population instead of puting warning labels on boxes. It is sad to see that while you allow selling of cigarettes which have much more dangerous impact on smokers and non smokers, you want destroy many fragrances that we people and consumers loved. It is sad to see that you might be willing to take a chance to contaminate european land with GMO plants (from USA with transatlantic agreement) and risk people health with GMO food (which still is not proved to be safe) but does not hestitate to forbid things that are from our mother earth and with much less impact on general public. I am very disappointed with this new regulations and as a fragrance lover, and a lover of real things from our nature (not some artificial synthetics made by companies which have huge profit from it) I will definitely not support this international companies by buying new soulless fragrances made from few selected synthetics made by few selected companies...

    Sad citizen (and consumer) of EU

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    Some additional investigative work at Grain de musc, which confirms the less scary conclusions some of us have reached as well from the source documents.

    http://graindemusc.blogspot.fr/2014/...-dont.html?m=1
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    Default Re: EC Looks to Ban Three Fragrance Ingredients

    Still, the loss of Lyral will be another nail in the coffin of LOTV scents (already worsened when hydroxycitronellal was restricted a few years back.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer81 View Post
    I am very sad to see upcomming regulation in using of 3 ingredients that are large part of majority of current perfumes. For a fragrance lover and collector (who buys much more fragrances than your average consumer) this is the end of my fragrance journey and end of my hobby. It is sad to see that you've choosed to ban few ingredients that can be dangerous to maybe 1% of population instead of puting warning labels on boxes. It is sad to see that while you allow selling of cigarettes which have much more dangerous impact on smokers and non smokers, you want destroy many fragrances that we people and consumers loved. It is sad to see that you might be willing to take a chance to contaminate european land with GMO plants (from USA with transatlantic agreement) and risk people health with GMO food (which still is not proved to be safe) but does not hestitate to forbid things that are from our mother earth and with much less impact on general public. I am very disappointed with this new regulations and as a fragrance lover, and a lover of real things from our nature (not some artificial synthetics made by companies which have huge profit from it) I will definitely not support this international companies by buying new soulless fragrances made from few selected synthetics made by few selected companies...
    I hope you used a spell checker before sending this message. Spelling mistakes like this, and grammatical mistakes (there are some verb tense and pronoun mistakes here as well, e.g. this instead of these) bite into the credibility of the writer.

    I also don't buy that it's 1% of the population for which these ingredients are dangerous. More like 1% of the population where it is inconvenient (a simple rash that goes away with disuse). But maybe 5% of that 1% can develop contact eczema, which is a nasty business. This has been shown to happen with other ingredients that have been banned over the years, but the latest round casts a lot of doubt. Coumarin hasn't been medically confirmed to cause eczema. The claim is not substantiated with medical data as yet. This is based on the document linked previously.

    Where the "fault" lies is regarding communication to the consumer. People who are genetically predisposed to contract eczema need to be aware of their condition and to take precautions. Such people should feel confident to use fragrances stamped with "IFRA approved" (long overdue for having this) and avoid those that don't have this certification. For those who don't have a tendency to get rashes and aren't predisposed to contracting eczema, they don't need to pay attention to this... which is a significant majority of the population (99%).
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    I wonder what that "Juicy Couture" "Flower Bomb" note structure is that makes it so special? It's in everything now. Pretty soon that's all you'll be smelling on everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    I hope you used a spell checker before sending this message. Spelling mistakes like this, and grammatical mistakes (there are some verb tense and pronoun mistakes here as well, e.g. this instead of these) bite into the credibility of the writer.

    I also don't buy that it's 1% of the population for which these ingredients are dangerous. More like 1% of the population where it is inconvenient (a simple rash that goes away with disuse). But maybe 5% of that 1% can develop contact eczema, which is a nasty business. This has been shown to happen with other ingredients that have been banned over the years, but the latest round casts a lot of doubt. Coumarin hasn't been medically confirmed to cause eczema. The claim is not substantiated with medical data as yet. This is based on the document linked previously.

    Where the "fault" lies is regarding communication to the consumer. People who are genetically predisposed to contract eczema need to be aware of their condition and to take precautions. Such people should feel confident to use fragrances stamped with "IFRA approved" (long overdue for having this) and avoid those that don't have this certification. For those who don't have a tendency to get rashes and aren't predisposed to contracting eczema, they don't need to pay attention to this... which is a significant majority of the population (99%).
    You know that in EU, like 90% of population doesnt have English as their native language right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population IE (its all countries except of UK and Ireland) -that is Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Portugal, Czech Republic, Hungary, Sweden, Austria, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta)
    Hopefuly people in European Comission know that and wont be as narrow minded as you.
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    Who cares if he used a spell checker, the message is clear. And, unlike many others, he actually acted on it. Good job, dreamer81.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer81 View Post
    You know that in EU, like 90% of population doesnt have English as their native language right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population IE (its all countries except of UK and Ireland) -that is Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Portugal, Czech Republic, Hungary, Sweden, Austria, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta)
    Hopefuly people in European Comission know that and wont be as narrow minded as you.
    Good for you, dreamer81!
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    Narrow minded? I'm just pointing out a basic thing that can be done. It helps make a message look more professional. I was not trying to insult you.

    But if that's how it's going to be here, that a tag-team starts happening to make it look like I'm the bad guy then I'll just get out of this special clique and move on. Good bye.

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    Oh, dear, let's not start fighting amongst ourselves. Divided we fall, for sure.
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    Please stick to the topic guys - we were discussing EU regulations.

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    No one has commented on my complaint about the use of 'the patch'. It is placed over the sample which is placed on skin. Thus extending the exposure time. Perfume, when used as intended- air dries in a few minutes.

    I wonder if we pointed out this discrepancy if it would do some good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    No one has commented on my complaint about the use of 'the patch'. It is placed over the sample which is placed on skin. Thus extending the exposure time. Perfume, when used as intended- air dries in a few minutes.

    I wonder if we pointed out this discrepancy if it would do some good.
    Whether or not the alcohol dries out, the perfume residues are still on the skin. Does it really matter whether the patch stays on or not? A possible way to test the effect of the patch, if any, is to systematically test different durations the patch stays on, and whether sensitisation increases as a consequence of patch duration.

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    I'm just not clear on why the patch is necessary. It appears the study is designed to amplify exposure to infinitesimal amounts of substance- oak moss, for instance.
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    It would be interesting to find out what alternatives to banning were considered (for example labeling so that the consumer may make an informed choice to avoid exposure to a particular ingredient) and especially: why those alternatives were rejected.

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    I smell conspiracy. Follow the money. Someone is benefitting here and it ain't us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Yes, reasonable. I agree with this premiss. This is a travesty unfolding.
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    I had no idea the 'tests' were so hamfisted - it's a joke.

    This blog and the article are from Somerville Metro Man, BTW, who used to contribute a lot of insight and good vibes to Basenotes when I first joined - great he has a new blog space

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    I hate those dam people. I just want a perfume house with some balls to create a fragrance with every banned ingredient and call it "BANNED" - "For when your not afraid to smell good"

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