I've used this one, and i'm particularly impressed by it's longevity; still smell it after 3 weeks on a blotter.
Thread: Good heliotope
Can anyone recommend a good heliotrope? Natural or synthetic is fine. I have tried the Save on Scents one, I like the smell, but it is weak even in their strongest concentration. Also tried Sun's Eye "pure oil" (diluted EO I guess?) which smelled too grassy/vegetal to me.
Justin E. Beasley
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Anyone tried the heliotrope "fleuressence" from perfumer's world?
Does anyone know where to buy heliotropin? I know it's restricted but so are a lot of things and I was hoping that there were people still out there who sold it. I got mine from Vigon, but that was almost a year ago.
I asked Perfumer's Apprentice if their "Heliotropin replacer 50%" was actually 50% heliotropin in a solvent of some sort. All they could tell me was that it contains heliotropin. Make of that what you will.
Can one get a sample of piperonal (~1ml) in the US, or is it that tightly controlled?
but you can file a dea paper and provide the usage and formula and then if approved you can purchase it and have it in your possession
they really don't care about tiny amounts....
but the they have your info on file which is what bugs me....
heck, in a number of states you can't own a three neck flask!
Vigon lists 3 heliotropin including a "natural" heliotropin that's 10 times the cost of the synthetics, about $1400/kg for the natural. But if enough people went in on a kg… If we had 10 people who each threw in 140 dollars or so… They've given me heliotropin in the past--a 1 ounce sample--presumably not the natural stuff so I think I can get them sell it to me provided I buy a kilo. Maybe, maybe not.
I might be interested....
I wonder if there's much difference between natural/synthetic, especially for incense, which is what I'm playing around with. I mean, a molecule is a molecule?
I've sent a note to Vigon asking them for samples of each one before making the big buy. If the natural smells better (and I can't imagine a significant difference) than I'd want that.
By the way, I replied to your PM!
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If you are looking to replace Heliotropine in a formula then Veratraldehyde is a fairly effective substitute.
Also note that, although Heliotrope flowers are the source of the name the actual scent of those flowers does not contain Heliotropine, so it should be possible to recreate it without (though Iíve not attempted this).
Iím also pretty certain that no natural extract of Heliotrope is currently available, though that might not be correct as Iím also pretty sure that at one time an absolute was made, so it may be that it still is and Iíve just not come across it. Iím almost certain you canít distill an essential oil from the flowers though.
Thanks Chris. What a can of worms. I asked Vigon for samples of all three of their versions (including the "natural" which is ten times the price of the "synthetic.") So I went to place an order for a kilo of heliotropin ex sassafras and they said I need a license from the DEA. The DEA needs me to have a license from the state. There are all sorts of rules--thickness of walls, alarms, safes etc--so I'm going to wait until I'm a bit more established before really going for it. There are so many things that are restricted (phenyl acetates!) that it seems almost impossible to make perfume.
Heliotropin in the USA is a controlled material, as people use it to make Crack or Meth, or some other drugs..., I think, It's a drug chemical precurser...
My best recommendation is to buy the replacer from PA, and not try to get the real heliotropin due to this issue...
(Can you tell I've run into this before...?)
Gold Medal for "Best Aroma"; Los Angeles Artisan Fragrance Salon
Reviving this thread as I have recently received some acetophenone, and I was surprised at how much it reminded me of heliotropin. I then looked at good scents and it does indeed reference this chemical as having heliotropin, cherry-pit nuances. I thought this might be useful for anyone trying to get a helotropin vibe. I don't know about it's IFRA status however...
thanks Mr.Bartlett for your suggestion of the acetanisol.
I was really pleased as i walked down my cellar and realized that i have 4-Methoxyacetophenon which later came to mind that this is the stuff wanted.
I also have the veratraldehyde so i am ready to go for experiments.
The only thing that makes me really sad is and think many others will have this problem:
If you never had the luck to smell the real heliotropin/piperonal i think it will get some hassle to reconstruct the smell from substitutes.
Is there an coarse ratio which one has to mix the acetanisol with the veratraldehyde to come close to the real Heliotropin/Piperonal...?
Don't get me wrong i like to experiment but not to dump the prescious aromachemicals right at the start.
Maybe it could be 99,9% Veratraldehyde and just a trace of acetanisol or completely switched...sayd 99,9% Acetanisol and a trace of Veratraldehyde...
Maybe someone has a starting-point in a coarse direction not to waste the prescious aromachemicals right away.
would be very thankful for an tip.