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    Is there a modern niche with the same power and complexity as Shalimar? Not a rhetorical question, btw: an actual one.

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    In fact, I do wear and love Shalimar EDP, and Eau de Shalimar, and Parfum Initial also. Researching about Guerlain and Guerlainade I've read many considarations saying that Guerlain's scents are in the mid from male and female territories, bending to one side or the other but never fully assuming this or that s a whole gender concept. That's because at Guerlain they never start a new scent from scratch. They modeify aan existing formula, blurring notes, exagerating others to come up with a new male or female scent. Most of them are just very good, masterpeices scents that can be enjoyed by people, a human being. I also wear Mitsouko and L'Heure Bleue in the EDP concentration. But I agree if you live in a society where they have been worn by women over the years/dacades it may seem odd to smell a man wearing Shalimar. But why is Shalimar less masculine than Midnight in Paris? Or DHI? Or even L'Eau d'Issey, which I think is too floral? They are just label with no real meaning whatsoever. In an Age some people ARE really changing sex, literally, why say only women can wear Shalimar, or Chanel No 5 Eau Premiere? I don't like florals, that's all. Even male florals are not my cup of tea. But orientals, I am all in. Also, if Wonderwood by comme des Garçons is said to be unissex, why can't Shalimar be unissex too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdilonRedon View Post
    Is there a modern niche with the same power and complexity as Shalimar? Not a rhetorical question, btw: an actual one.
    Sorta.

    If you look at Dries van Noten par Frédéric Malle there's an interesting correlation that only became apparent to me the other day after discussion with a few people AND catching a phrase Malle dropped in an interview about 'recalling some of the classics of the early 20c'.

    Shalimar has an almost disturbing opening (for some) because you are hit with a very tart bergamot top with an overdosed vanilla underneath. That's a very, very simplistic description, but if you imagine the disconnect between fresh grapefruit juice and fresh cream you get an idea - it's verging on curdling but at the same time it's very arresting - you can't 'look away'. And then, of course, everything melds.

    Dries van Noten has a similar off-putting effect on some people at first because you have bergamot / citrus and a bit of saffron up top, and almost simultaneously you get hit with the almost oily first few minutes of sandalwood, pushed even further by a hit of sacralol (a sandalwood 'enforcer' that has a lactonic quality) and vanilla. It's a full frontal assault that settles after a few minutes into something quite unique.

    The structure, and that contrast between tart citrus and creamy vanilla is common to both. I have almost finished a bottle of DvN, and I have compared it with vintage Shalimar, and altho nothing can really touch Shalimar I have a new respect for the idea behind this and reckon it might be worth a shot . . . there ya go - for what it it's worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Sorta.

    If you look at Dries van Noten par Frédéric Malle there's an interesting correlation that only became apparent to me the other day after discussion with a few people AND catching a phrase Malle dropped in an interview about 'recalling some of the classics of the early 20c'.

    Shalimar has an almost disturbing opening (for some) because you are hit with a very tart bergamot top with an overdosed vanilla underneath. That's a very, very simplistic description, but if you imagine the disconnect between fresh grapefruit juice and fresh cream you get an idea - it's verging on curdling but at the same time it's very arresting - you can't 'look away'. And then, of course, everything melds.

    Dries van Noten has a similar off-putting effect on some people at first because you have bergamot / citrus and a bit of saffron up top, and almost simultaneously you get hit with the almost oily first few minutes of sandalwood, pushed even further by a hit of sacralol (a sandalwood 'enforcer' that has a lactonic quality) and vanilla. It's a full frontal assault that settles after a few minutes into something quite unique.

    The structure, and that contrast between tart citrus and creamy vanilla is common to both. I have almost finished a bottle of DvN, and I have compared it with vintage Shalimar, and altho nothing can really touch Shalimar I have a new respect for the idea behind this and reckon it might be worth a shot . . . there ya go - for what it it's worth
    That's very interesting. I've only smelled DvN on paper and I was a bit underwhelmed - no doubt by the bergamot, which generally speaking I don't like, and probably because I'd just sniffed Lonestar Memories... I will have to give it a second chance.

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    I love it but the female connotations are too strong for me to wear out without me feeling self-conscious

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    If you enjoy it...rock on!

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    I have a preference for the Eau de Cologne.

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    Had somewhat similar experience with enjoying and even considering wearing: Chanel No. 19, Coco Noir and Cristalle, Dior Addict, Bvlgari Jasmin Noir, TF Black Orchid and White Patchouli among other fragrances.

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    I've never found a variant of Shalimar I'm comfortable wearing, it falls into that "odd" categorization for me and seems out-of-place.

    I do wear No. 19 in the warmer periods though, and strangely I enjoy it just fine. I'm sure this is just a personal preference thing.

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    I love wearing Shalimar EDP, too. I find it imminently wearable and sexy. I am constantly smelling my wrists when I wear this (out, and even at the office)!

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    Juuust to clarify.

    I love Shalimar.

    I'm not fond, actually I rather dislike current Shalimar but love the old iterations.

    If you liked the older versions of Shalimar, the Ode a la Vanille are very close to vintage.

    Out of the three from the series (Ode a la Vanille, Ode a la Vanille sur la route de Madagascar & Ode a la Vanille sur la route du Mexique), I find Ode a la Vanille Route sur la Madagascar to be the closest.
    Mostly because Mexique has a vibrant resin presence, while a concentrated dose of vanilla is used in Madagascar.
    Madagascar:


    Ode a la Vanille


    Shalimar circa mid 80s


    Packaging for reference:


    Shalimar 7.5ml parfum from the mid 90s


    I have a few other ones too.
    I'm still exploring them.
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  12. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    I love it but the female connotations are too strong for me to wear out without me feeling self-conscious
    Same here, I know lots of little old ladies who wear too much of it. I'm not ready to join their ranks just yet.

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    The guys at the office cannot differentiate between perfumes. They know nothing about perfumes. They just know that I smell good. I am very successful in that sense.

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    It might just work, but only if you are rude to people while wearing it.


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    So nice to read about guys praising one of my very favorite scents, if not my 'favorite'.

    I own this in EdC, a sample of really really old EdT (which is fantastic), PdT (which is basically vintage EdP) and Parfum (one vintage and one new). I also have Eau de Shalimar, Shalimar Eau Legere, Ode de la Vanille (the 1st one that was released), Luxurious Body Cream and a tiny bottle of vintage Dusting Powder. I used to have the Shower Gel too, but I use it up too quickly. lol

    If you like the Eau de Parfum Daniel, then you owe it to yourself to get some vintage Parfum. It is denser, more animalic, with this oily phenolic presence that I've described as 'petroleum' before. It blew me away the first time that I smelled it. Then it gets all lovely, comfy, sweet, vanillic. It lasts forever!

    I have received compliments, from men (straight men, mind you, not that this should matter) when I'm wearing this to my office. No lie. It just smells good. From top to finish.

    I imagine I will keep wearing this scent all the way through to my last day on this Earth. I look forward to it's constant reminder that French classic perfumery, when done right, is a wonderful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Sorta.

    If you look at Dries van Noten par Frédéric Malle there's an interesting correlation that only became apparent to me the other day after discussion with a few people AND catching a phrase Malle dropped in an interview about 'recalling some of the classics of the early 20c'.

    Shalimar has an almost disturbing opening (for some) because you are hit with a very tart bergamot top with an overdosed vanilla underneath. That's a very, very simplistic description, but if you imagine the disconnect between fresh grapefruit juice and fresh cream you get an idea - it's verging on curdling but at the same time it's very arresting - you can't 'look away'. And then, of course, everything melds.

    Dries van Noten has a similar off-putting effect on some people at first because you have bergamot / citrus and a bit of saffron up top, and almost simultaneously you get hit with the almost oily first few minutes of sandalwood, pushed even further by a hit of sacralol (a sandalwood 'enforcer' that has a lactonic quality) and vanilla. It's a full frontal assault that settles after a few minutes into something quite unique.

    The structure, and that contrast between tart citrus and creamy vanilla is common to both. I have almost finished a bottle of DvN, and I have compared it with vintage Shalimar, and altho nothing can really touch Shalimar I have a new respect for the idea behind this and reckon it might be worth a shot . . . there ya go - for what it it's worth
    Fascinating comparison mr. reasonable. Thank you for posting that.

    I have spoken about the bergamot off-putting top notes, in Shalimar, before. When I first smelled it, I didn't like it. But it took about a week for it to 'click' for me. Once I got it, I was hooked.
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    I gave my wife a bottle many years ago, when we were first dating, and I associate it too much with female wear for me to wear it in public. But now and then I steal a little spray, when I'm just hanging around the house, and I do love it. Not sure if I could get used to the idea of wearing it often, but I am turning into a big Guerlain fan. Vol de Nuit, Sous Le Vent, Jicky, Mouchoir de Monsieur, even Mitsouko - all favorites. Shalimar can't be far behind, especially in much-coveted vintage formulations. The EdP my wife has from the early '80s is a real knockout.

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    Guerlain's scents are mostly unisex. There are exceptions (Champs-Elysées) but for the most part a guy can pull off almost all of the classics.

    One of the ones that I find works really well on me is Nahéma, which is a floral oriental that smells expensive and sophisticated but has a lot of sweet, woody notes that make it suitable for unisex wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Fascinating comparison mr. reasonable. Thank you for posting that.

    I have spoken about the bergamot off-putting top notes, in Shalimar, before. When I first smelled it, I didn't like it. But it took about a week for it to 'click' for me. Once I got it, I was hooked.
    You're welcome, Mike - it was an 'aha' moment for me.

    I've been wearing DvN a lot the last few weeks (and today, as it happens) and also comparing the three Shalimar Odes. I think the original 2010 is still my favorite, altho the Madagascar is 'darker' and probably the one I would recommend guys here to check out - it's actually quite close in 'heft' to some of the Extraits from around 30 years ago.

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    As a big Shalimar lover I was very happy to open this thread.

    I getso many things from Shalimar EDP. I get leather, vanilla, warm sensual skin, powdery rich resin feel, etc. Will never be without this fragrance. Exploring vintage versions has also been an enthralling experience.

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    The thread title made me laugh. Thank's!

    Anyway. As always, if you like it and can pull it off, why not? Enjoy!

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    I just sprayed some of my wife's Shalimar on the back of my hand.

    It reminds me of a slightly more feminine version of KL Homme.

    Although after 6 hours, the KL Homme fades a lot , while the not particularly masculine vanilla of Shalimar just keeps going on and on.
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    There was, unfortunately, a unanimous 'Ugh!' from all the female members of my family when they sniffed it. Tastes have changed over the years. I ended up giving it away to an old friend who one day casually mentioned she used to wear it as a teenager and hadn't bought a bottle for years. She really appreciated the gesture.

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    Default Re: I'm a Masculine Man Wearing Shalimar

    Quote Originally Posted by TLS View Post
    The thread title made me laugh. Thank's!
    I know. It sounds kind of like "I'm a little teapot, short and stout."


    Quote Originally Posted by TLS View Post
    Anyway. As always, if you like it and can pull it off, why not? Enjoy!
    Exactly this.
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    totally unisex i do not see any feminine reference in this masterpiece

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    Quote Originally Posted by absynthium View Post
    totally unisex i do not see any feminine reference in this masterpiece
    The feminine reference is it's gender-marketed history. It's been worn by females for years. The smell is irrelevant, as we all know.

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    I'd have absolutely no problem wearing Shalimar, and I'm a masculine man! In fact, I've proudly worn (and own full bottles of) a few "made for women" Guerlain fragrances including Jicky, Mitsouku and L'Heure Bleu. They are classic, well made fragrances that transcend time and gender.

    For what it's worth, I've also worn (and pulled off) Portrait of a Lady, SJP Lovely, and Chanel No 5.

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    It's funny, but I have never tried Shalimar. I really should. I wear Spiritueuse Double Vanille, so I try not to let gender marketing bias affect me.
    Currently wearing: Augusto by Mazzolari

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    I am glad that so many men like wearing Shalimar. I am also one of those that don't follow the gender marketing.

    The Shalimar Eau Legere (discontinued) and the newer Eau de Shalimar are also very good, and less heavy than the original Shalimar with more citrus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdilonRedon View Post
    Is there a modern niche with the same power and complexity as Shalimar? Not a rhetorical question, btw: an actual one.
    I would look at Histoire de Parfums, too. I haven't smelled their Ambre 114 recently, but I remember being floored by it! I'm a big fan of their 1889 Moulin Rouge, especially. While you wouldn't confuse it with an old Guerlain, like those, it's got real beautiful/peculiar character - hushed and introspective, all leathery ballet slippers and a ripe pear in a dusty attic. Not loud, but very tenacious on skin. Wonderful!

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