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    Probably a punch-up closely followed by a locked thread - hope not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Probably a punch-up closely followed by a locked thread - hope not!


    ... relevant to the OP, I meant...
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    AmberOud by Body Shop is mention worthy also ...
    Im not sure if it was exclusively marketed for females but a really good one anyway .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Can you imagine a girl wearing an oud attar, or an oud-based fragrance? I can't. I think oud is the most masculine, testosterone-filled note in the fragrantic universe. I don't think it should be worn by girls. It is dark, it is heavy, it is potent, sweaty-like and uber-animalic.

    Are there oud fragrances marketed exclusively for females? What do you think of them?

    A girl, no. A woman, of course.

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    The presence of a synthetic oud note is questionable with some fragrances (it being known there is no real,oud present). I tend to take it as a given that oud mentioned in a fragrance discussion refers to a synthetic and/or real oud presence unless specified.

    I think a lot of perfumes are now 'oudy' in profile rather than containing synthetic or real oud.

    It's just another note really, like pineapple, and not gender specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Can you imagine a girl wearing an oud attar, or an oud-based fragrance? I can't. I think oud is the most masculine, testosterone-filled note in the fragrantic universe. I don't think it should be worn by girls. It is dark, it is heavy, it is potent, sweaty-like and uber-animalic.

    Are there oud fragrances marketed exclusively for females? What do you think of them?
    Some of the lighter ones are eminently suitable for either sex, a good example being Eau de Cartier Essence de Bois. Personally I'm not keen on the oud-heavy ones myself, with few exceptions.
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    I know many families, generally of Middle Eastern background, who use oud as a scent either by applying fragrances containing it (real or synthetic) or burning the wood in their homes. This includes women.

    My daughter likes oud, she is growing up in environment where she smells it on a daily basis. My wife likes it too (but not every single oud note she comes across) and will wear many of my oud containing perfumes (synthetic or otherwise).

    There are also a plethora of attars marketed at women that contain oud.
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    Oud is for Nachos

    This thread is now about nachos



    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Oud is for Nachos

    This thread is now about nachos



    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    Perfume critic Tania Sanchez (a propos of uber masculine Oud Cuir d'Arabie) said that on a man it's a cowboy character, but on a woman it harks back to the deep heavy orientals of the past. And it's true-in past decades, female perfumes were always stronger and heavier, with deep bases and tons of animalics. Even floral ones were full of civet. It's only in the past couple of decades that female perfume slipped into pink syrups or scrubbed-clean white florals.

    In the end, though, what one wants to smell on either sex is a matter of preference.

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    Great post - very much agreed.

    Oud has a sharp aspect which is really the only thing left on the market which recalls the womanly chypres of my youth. Very clear ouds tend to come closer to that in overall style, but the differences between the central oud note and the central chypre note become more apparent. In complex ouds, it resembles a layering of an old-school chypre and an oriental.

    Mona's oud really seemed womanly to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    I smelled Royal Oud on a woman once. She smelled AMAZING.
    I can imagine. When it first came out, and Creed gifted it to William and Kate, I wasn't getting it, but eventually I did.

    A lot of women toy with it, mixing in various floral Creeds, and I have to say, they're all winning combinations to my nose. All of those Western adornments seem to make it more versatile, but by itself, it's much more mysterious and exotic.
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    huh, huh, you said nachos, huh, huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    Oud is for Nachos

    This thread is now about nachos



    Carry on.
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    A girl, no. A woman, of course.
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    I retract my earlier 'welcome back Daniel'.
    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    The original premise of this Thread displays an utter lack of cultural understanding on the part of the writer (oud is and has been used by men and women in many parts of the world for centuries and many of the current 'westernized' versions are marketed for both genders) and, in my view, a deliberately provocative attempt to ignite some sort of men vs. women drama which the OP seems to have a predilection towards.

    Boring.
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    I was wondering about this also. Someone is back and looking to stir it up.
    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    How interesting an observation given recent threads that have been popping up around here!

    Here's a thought: How about women wear what they like and enjoy, and men wear what they like and enjoy.
    Quote Originally Posted by DanielPlainview View Post
    Can you imagine a girl wearing an oud attar, or an oud-based fragrance? I can't. I think oud is the most masculine, testosterone-filled note in the fragrantic universe. I don't think it should be worn by girls. It is dark, it is heavy, it is potent, sweaty-like and uber-animalic.

    Are there oud fragrances marketed exclusively for females? What do you think of them?

    Every thread from the past & his re-"release" on BN seems to bring out DPV's insecurity with his self (imho) & the threads has just something in them to provoke & obviously bring excellent humor filled replies from other basenoter's (I mean the "eau sauvage + taxi in china" thread he started should be added under a separate category on BN titled - "humor" - it's hilarious or maybe under hall of fame)...

    How much ever I want to stay away from his threads, if I see 25+ replies, I have no option but to check the posts - because laughter is the best medicine & the replies we see to his threads do make us laugh (most of the time)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbloke View Post
    If there is any oud in it all (debatable!) then it is a mere suggestion of the real thing imo.
    Not debatable. There is not.

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    Many fragrances that are decidedly masculine, smell amazing on women. Therefore, its hard to be a gender label on fragrances. Its all about what a person is willing to wear and if they are comfortable wearing it.
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    Isn't this guy known to be a blatant troll? Not sure why anyone takes him seriously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    My recommendation for a nice designer oud based fragrance would be Oud Malaki by Chopard or Oud Oriental by S.T. Dupont
    Thanks hednic! Will check them out.
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    re: Royal Oud...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    When it first came out, and Creed gifted it to William and Kate, I wasn't getting it, but eventually I did.

    A lot of women toy with it, mixing in various floral Creeds, and I have to say, they're all winning combinations to my nose. All of those Western adornments seem to make it more versatile, but by itself, it's much more mysterious and exotic.
    If the stuff weren't so expensive, I'd do a ton of experimenting with it. I'm convinced it would smell astoundingly good if paired with something minimal but fruity. I can imagine it with just touch of the orange from Tauer's Orange Star (not sure about the spices from Orange Star though. They'd either mesh marvelously, or it'd be utter cacophony!)

    I'm really shocked by how many here on basenotes don't smell the oud in Royal Oud. I always assume they're exaggerating, because if they don't smell it at all... wow. The oud in Royal oud is very dry, but for me, it's loud and clear. On fragrantica, oud is the 3rd most detected note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    The original premise of this Thread displays an utter lack of cultural understanding on the part of the writer (oud is and has been used by men and women in many parts of the world for centuries and many of the current 'westernized' versions are marketed for both genders) and, in my view, a deliberately provocative attempt to ignite some sort of men vs. women drama which the OP seems to have a predilection towards.
    Absolutely.


    Quote Originally Posted by badarun View Post
    Every thread from the past & his re-"release" on BN seems to bring out DPV's insecurity with his self (imho) & the threads has just something in them to provoke
    This too.


    Quote Originally Posted by badarun View Post
    I mean the "eau sauvage + taxi in china" thread he started should be added under a separate category on BN titled - "humor" - it's hilarious or maybe under hall of fame)...
    1000000% agreed. That one was one of the two funniest things I've ever read here, with the other being the thread where someone asked if he'd get better projection from perfume if he sprayed his "junk." Wow. But even that wasn't as funny as the Chinese cab thread about wearing so much Eau Sauvage that a cabbie literally stopped the car and got out. AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!!! ...and yet, the OP assumed the driver was prejudiced. That's like saying "I wore ten sprays of perfume to work. I got sent home because they don't like when a man wears a pink shirt." Pink shirt?! "No, dude. You got sent home because you REEK."
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    There are some oud fragrances that I have a hard time believing any female would like to smell like such as Portrait of a Lady, Rose Nacree du Desert but there are also oud centered fragrances such as Red Aoud, Aoud Flowers, Rose Anonyme that are quite "pretty" in smell and can be pulled off easily regardless of gender

    Come to think of it, I think Montale has many oud fragrances that can be worn by female. IMO things like Attar, Aoud Red Flowers, etc are quite feminine smelling
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    I think I will go make some nachos and order some samples of some things that are very dark, deep, heavy and oud based

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    I'm thinking oud nachos would be yucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    We don't have to imagine it - a lot of us do

    Admittedly, I only 'wear' the stronger ones for the purpose of experiencing them but there are many, many fragrances containing oud worn by many, many women worldwide.

    Ayoon Al Maha is my favourite.
    Ditto here. I wear Montale Red Aoud, Dior Leather Oud and Oud Ispahan, and also Estee Wood Mystique. Habit Rouge EDP and parfum have oud.

    The Wood Mystique is marketed as a unisex, but the ads seem to slant toward women. It was launched in the Middle Eastern market.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    How interesting an observation given recent threads that have been popping up around here!

    Here's a thought: How about women wear what they like and enjoy, and men wear what they like and enjoy.
    Perfectly said.
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    I could see a woman wearing 24 Gold or M7 Absolu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    I'm thinking oud nachos would be yucky.
    But Nacho Libre Oud would be most awesome. The cross-cultural clash of Mexican spices and oud would be nifty. I love the smell of jalapeos, too. Gotta get that into a fragrance!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    But Nacho Libre Oud would be most awesome. The cross-cultural clash of Mexican spices and oud would be nifty. I love the smell of jalapeos, too. Gotta get that into a fragrance!!!
    Plus, it makes its own slogan: "This one's mine. It's Not yo' libre oud! Nacho Libre Oud!"
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    What's next, a man can't wear florals ? That's right, men should never ever wear florals, especially rose fragrances . Like perhaps ...what's that one rose scent? The name escapes me . Penaligans ? Rose boquet ? Was that it? A man shouldn't wear that one right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    re: Royal Oud...



    If the stuff weren't so expensive, I'd do a ton of experimenting with it. I'm convinced it would smell astoundingly good if paired with something minimal but fruity. I can imagine it with just touch of the orange from Tauer's Orange Star (not sure about the spices from Orange Star though. They'd either mesh marvelously, or it'd be utter cacophony!)

    I'm really shocked by how many here on basenotes don't smell the oud in Royal Oud. I always assume they're exaggerating, because if they don't smell it at all... wow. The oud in Royal oud is very dry, but for me, it's loud and clear. On fragrantica, oud is the 3rd most detected note.
    The pairing of bitter orange with Royal Oud-level oud is *exactly* what Kerosene's R'oud Elements is to me! It's RRRREALLY good.

    I hear what you say about people not getting the oud in Royal Oud, and I agree totally - it's very obvious to me.

    Now - what I'm going to say is heresy, and somewhat accusatory, so I'm going to preface this by saying I mean nobody in particular.

    I have smelled real, natural ouds, and they are POWERFUL. They are complete, complex fragrances. In fact, they are very much like many pure essential oils and components, such as gaiac wood, spikenard, patchouli, oakmoss, rose absolute, narcissus absolute, and many others.

    Now - when you dilute these things, they become much clearer and seemingly less complex, as minor components fade away into the baseline, and you are left with a few stronger components. Personally, I find it very difficult to tell a highly diluted and "pimped out" natural from a well-done synthetic reconstitution or mimic. I can still tell that a "note" is rose, patch, gaiac, narcissus, etc., and ditto with oud. Some people claim they can tell real from synth, and I think that some of them probably can. But all "weak" ouds are NOT synthetic, nor are they all natural, because we know many excellent and very expensive Western ouds that are *admittedly* synthetic. Not that it makes much difference, because I am pretty sure that the major components of oud, just like the major components of rose, are well-known aromachemicals, and I'm not terribly prejudiced about how the exact same molecules got into the bottle.

    So back to what you said - yeah, I believe that there is oud in Royal Oud, and I tend to believe that at least some of it is exactly as advertised - real, farm-raised oud. I'm fairly sensitive to oud in general, actually, so it doesn't take much to make me think it's in something. Real oud - undiluted - is way too much for me. I love the relatively dilute French style. I've worn pure components before, and while it's fun for a while, I tend to find them simply too strong and complex. For me, less is more.

    The fragrance which I think typifies "where's the oud?" is the Bond no.9 Signature Perfume. I smell oud or oud aromachemicals - whatever it is - but it is one of the most clear renditions I've ever smelled. That's why I think it's so neat - it really borders on the chypre in its clarity. In contrast to that, one of the richest ouds that still feels extremely French to me is Mona's. Very neat stuff.

    OK - better wrap up my oud blasphemy before I'm excommunicated. But there you have it, my fellow Royal Oud heretic!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Probably a punch-up closely followed by a locked thread - hope not!

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    The reason I say that there is NO oud in Royal Oud is that it does not smell like any oud, from any region of the world, at all. Could the tiniest trace of the real thing be there? Maybe. Could some synthetic oud be in there? Sure. But it still does not smell like oud at all. Others have mentioned that THIS should have been named Spice & Wood, and I truly could not agree more. But for the record, I do have and enjoy both Royal Oud, and Spice & Wood so I'm not here to bash either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwill View Post
    The reason I say that there is NO oud in Royal Oud is that it does not smell like any oud, from any region of the world, at all. Could the tiniest trace of the real thing be there? Maybe. Could some synthetic oud be in there? Sure. But it still does not smell like oud at all. Others have mentioned that THIS should have been named Spice & Wood, and I truly could not agree more. But for the record, I do have and enjoy both Royal Oud, and Spice & Wood so I'm not here to bash either one.
    The Oud accord is about as prominent as the Royalty accord, to me. It must have some Oud though because every time I go near a Creed counter, the SA's always tell me that I must buy today because RO contains the highest amount of rare/precious Oud ever, and it could be discontinued as early as next week due to the difficulty in attaining the material. I'm not kidding.

    Nice fragrance -- the best thing the line has to offer these days -- but it's really just a hum-drum spicy wood thing with a lick of nagarmotha.

    But as Red pointed out, if this bore any passing resemblance to real Oud, they'd lose about 95% of their audience quite fast. Hence, spicy wood scent.

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