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    Default Blackbird by Matriarch and Pandora by DSH perfume

    I'm on a quest for a dark and decadent mens fragrance. Bonus points if it has an "inky" character. I heard blackbird is really good and saw someone mention that it's a cross between Serge Lutens' Fueille fragrance and pure distance M, but better than both. I've read quite a few reviews online and it basically has perfect ratings across the board, everywhere. I have sample coming. Is it really THAT good or is some of the enthusiasm just a function of people's fascination with indie niche? Is the longevity good on this and is it really full bottle worth at $300 per 60ml? For those that have it or tried it, how many sprays would you suggest in one all day wearing? Does this suffer from the blending issues that most indie scents do, or does this smell professionally done and not like some kitchen concoction?


    With regard to Pandora - even more expensive, but it supposedly has the decadent inky quality, although it appears to have longevity issues. What are your thought on this one?

    Any other suggestions for decadent inky fragrances? I'm also considering a full bottle purchase of Tom Ford's Plum Japanaise or Noir de Noir but can't decide which one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    I'm on a quest for a dark and decadent mens fragrance. Bonus points if it has an "inky" character. I heard blackbird is really good and saw someone mention that it's a cross between Serge Lutens' Fueille fragrance and pure distance M, but better than both. I've read quite a few reviews online and it basically has perfect ratings across the board, everywhere. I have sample coming. Is it really THAT good or is some of the enthusiasm just a function of people's fascination with indie niche? Is the longevity good on this and is it really full bottle worth at $300 per 60ml? For those that have it or tried it, how many sprays would you suggest in one all day wearing? Does this suffer from the blending issues that most indie scents do, or does this smell professionally done and not like some kitchen concoction?
    The first point is a subjective call—it has incredible longevity, but it becomes somewhat imperceptible after a short period. You might think it's gone, but it'll re-emerge later. It certainly doesn't behave like a standard perfume, and so if crazy longevity / projection, this might not be a good choice.

    As for the second point, again—subjective. I personally dislike overly polished and hyper-produced scents, and this is not one of them. It really does have a home-grown feel to it rather than something mass-produced and auto-tuned in a factory. Many of the ingredients are items that she tinctured herself. So again, if you have concerns about it wanting your perfumes to smell like commercial-grade and highly polished items, this might not be for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    Is it really THAT good or is some of the enthusiasm just a function of people's fascination with indie niche?
    Blackbird is really that good, but you must like dank leathers (as Knize Ten, Cuir Mauresque). Those who have reviewed it thoroughly in the various threads here on BN, are IMHO some of the most well opinionated, and objective members.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    Is the longevity good on this
    Longevity is awesome, but because of the natural materials it performs differently, much like an extract de parfum, pluming in-and-out of focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    It really full bottle worth at $300 per 60ml?
    That's too subjective to answer, but the quality is worth it's value. If your looking for cheaper alternatives, the two fragrances I mentioned above would be a good place to start.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    For those that have it or tried it, how many sprays would you suggest in one all day wearing?
    Because of it's natural materials, it's best to dab this on pulse points. If you do have it in an atomizer, 2 sprays in the right places would be enough.

    Less is more with this fragrance.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    Does this suffer from the blending issues that most indie scents do
    It's composition is flawless, but because it's an extract, again you may realize that it diffuses differently from EdT & EdP.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    Does this smell professionally done and not like some kitchen concoction?
    Silly question ~ but yes it's well done, not medium rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by litworth View Post
    I'm on a quest for a dark and decadent mens fragrance. Bonus points if it has an "inky" character.
    Blackbird could be described as dark & decadent, but if your looking for inkiness, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm wearing it coincidentally as my SOTD. I suppose your senses could define dank/butch leather as similar to stuffing your nose "inside" an ink bottle, but IMHO not necessarily an apt description for this scent. Encre Noire would fit my definition of inky much better.

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    I respectfully disagree with the first statement...I generally dislike leathers, but I LOVE Blackbird.

    Totally agree on the last statement though, Blackbird is definitely not an inky fragrance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arij View Post
    Blackbird is really that good, but you must like dank leathers (as Knize Ten, Cuir Mauresque). Those who have reviewed it thoroughly in the various threads here on BN, are IMHO some of the most well opinionated, and objective members.



    Longevity is awesome, but because of the natural materials it performs differently, much like an extract de parfum, pluming in-and-out of focus.



    That's too subjective to answer, but the quality is worth it's value. If your looking for cheaper alternatives, the two fragrances I mentioned above would be a good place to start.



    Because of it's natural materials, it's best to dab this on pulse points. If you do have it in an atomizer, 2 sprays in the right places would be enough.

    Less is more with this fragrance.



    It's composition is flawless, but because it's an extract, again you may realize that it diffuses differently from EdT & EdP.



    Silly question ~ but yes it's well done, not medium rare.



    Blackbird could be described as dark & decadent, but if your looking for inkiness, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm wearing it coincidentally as my SOTD. I suppose your senses could define dank/butch leather as similar to stuffing your nose "inside" an ink bottle, but IMHO not necessarily an apt description for this scent. Encre Noire would fit my definition of inky much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rynegne View Post
    Blackbird is definitely not an inky fragrance.
    At one point it came in an inkwell, though!

    OP, if you're generally more familiar with fragrances that use a lot of synthetics or are factory made (like the Tom Fords you mentioned), then this will be a bit of a trip for you. With that said, out of the fragrances that I've tried that rely heavily on higher quality materials or are blended at high concentration, it's probably one of the more accessible ones. Just know that it's going to be very, very different to what you find in shopping malls and stuff.
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    Blackbird is a stunning scent! But you'll make your own call, soon enough

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    Received it today and it's good stuff. If the longevity holds up then I'll be buying a full bottle tonight. The blending is really good. Summary is that it smells like very complex, hippie, pink bathroom soap from the 80's and 90's. And it's great. The more whiffs I get of this the more resolute I become in terms of needing to make a purchase. I'm waiting to see what the longevity will be but I can tell now that it's going to be awesome. It doesn't smell inky to me, but It does smell "wet" to me, somehow. Maybe it's the pink soap association. Ok -just got another whiff- definite purchase, lol

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    A great fragrance, pretty expensive though. I had hesitate myself for a second before pulling the trigger. Haven't had any cognitive dissonance since!
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    I'm wearing it today

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    I really wish Blackbird had worked for me, but amber and my skin just don't get along. I had a glorious half hour with it, and then everything else vanished and I was left with mucky headshop amber oil.

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    I think Blackbird is a really good fragrance. It is a leafy, seaweed + conifer green oud leather scent that has a really great finishing note that is dry and probably castoreum animalic in nature. I like how it is dark and natural smelling without overdoing birch tar aspect, not that it might not be in there. It would be a good winter time fragrance. These heavy dark leathers are not easy to wear regularly. Is it worth the relatively high price? That is another matter altogether. I've tried Pandora and don't recall it being the same intensity and/or even the same type of fragrance style. Suggest you test that one. If you really like this kind of dark fragrance (Or Black, M, Cuir 28, Mona d' Orio Cuir, Norne) then Blackbird is probably worth it for you. After all, M Puredistance is also very expensive and they are in the same ballpark as far scent styles - M is a better fragrance and smoother in style, feel etc. But Blackbird is really good - nice name and identity! Do I think BB is the best fragrance I've ever smelled? No, not personally because these dark leathery fragrances are not my favorite category to wear on skin, like renege said in a post above, so I have gone back and forth on whether to purchase or not. So far, I am satisfied with the very generous sized travel sized sample they offer of Blackbirrd for sale at $10, I think. Maybe thats the best way to go is order the travel atomizer sample and test the waters further. Others in their "natural" fragrance series I think are test worthy are: Blackbird, Bohemian Black, The Maj, Alpha, Forbidden and OM. The style of these is all over the place so you need to select for yourself what you might enjoy.

    Matriarch fragrances of "Achtung" series which are priced about 25% lower, with much small sample bottles; and I personally find several of these more interesting to wear than Blackbird. (Sex Magic, Gateways, Epiphany, Immortal, Unveiled were favorites). So I suggest you try some of the samples.

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    Just FYI, I notice that PalmBeach just added Blackbird to his splits. This is the first time I've ever seen that scent split on Basenotes, and seems like a rare opportunity for those who haven't been able to try it to take it for a spin. Fantastic stuff!

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    blackbird is a fantastic amber,leather frag and certainly smells smooth to my amateur nose longevity on my skin is awesome some 12+ hours with some 4 sprays

    to me it has some similarities to Annick Goutal's amber fetiche...at least the amber and leather part and i have discovered that i love it when these two come together

    only thing preventing me from getting a bottle of this is that i love Bohemian Black more and saving the pennies for that and the full sample pack sometime soon

    p.s. the sillage and projection of HoM perfumes is generally not the monsterous type like something from Amouage...not a skin scent per se but certainly not a knockout...just enough for one's pleasure without causing offense.
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    You know, it's funny -- I've never thought of it as an amber before. There's a strong sweet musk, but it never occurred to me that it could be read as an amber scent. To me, it's leather, incense, woods, seaweed, and musks. But that semi-sweetness that runs all the way through it would certainly make sense as an amber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    You know, it's funny -- I've never thought of it as an amber before. There's a strong sweet musk, but it never occurred to me that it could be read as an amber scent. To me, it's leather, incense, woods, seaweed, and musks. But that semi-sweetness that runs all the way through it would certainly make sense as an amber.
    havent noticed the incense yet but leather and amber certainly there...and yes a hint of musk but a gentle one...have not noticed the incense yet, need to try this out more.

    lol if only they were selling a 100 ml bottle for the current price of the 60ml, think i would jump on it ASAP...

    will end up getting a bottle i guess eventually

    p.s. would not classify blackbird as an inky / dark fragrance...to me its got a different buzz and brightness like a new leather jacket, speeding along on a motorbike, with some vanilla pods in the pocket and the fumes of gasoline combining with the leather and vanilla and the wind...aah heaven
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    When I say incense, this one's more of an impression than, say, frankincense—it's like a total countercultural head shop vibe. I used to frequent old record stores that smelled a bit like this :P

    But yeah, I know the prices are high on this one. At leave they've developed the sizing structure a little more. In the past it was either a few ml or a massive jug of the stuff! (I went with the jug).

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    I agree with the whole head shop "vibe" more than literal frankincense. It's wonderful stuff. Yes Blackbird is expensive, however, the split through PalmBeach offers you a 30ml at a fair price. Total no-brainer for me considering I've gone through about 7ml of my initial purchase already. Good call on getting the jug deadidol, I can't really put into words how much I love this stuff.

    Blackbird is definitely one of the more impressive fragrances I've encountered out of hundreds...if not the most impressive. I have to disagree on HoM's other offerings being on par...the seem somewhat less interesting than Blackbird to me. I own a few fragrances from HoM, including SexMagic, which is great in its own right and very vaguely similar to Blackbird...but I think Blackbird is just on another level. Again, just my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    When I say incense, this one's more of an impression than, say, frankincense—it's like a total countercultural head shop vibe. I used to frequent old record stores that smelled a bit like this :P

    But yeah, I know the prices are high on this one. At leave they've developed the sizing structure a little more. In the past it was either a few ml or a massive jug of the stuff! (I went with the jug).
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    My sample will be here tomorrow. Looking forward to trying it.
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    Ryan, did your 15ml bottle come with an atomizer? On the site, it lists it as a 15ml flacon, versus a 60ml atomizer. The pictures show an atomizer, but the wording threw me off.

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    My 15ml came in atomizer form.

    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    Ryan, did your 15ml bottle come with an atomizer? On the site, it lists it as a 15ml flacon, versus a 60ml atomizer. The pictures show an atomizer, but the wording threw me off.
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    Blackbird is good stuff. I received my 3.3 atomizer today which came with a generous gesture of free samples of Devotion, Bohemian black and Sacre Tabac Sucre.

    My favorite (based on my tastes) is hands down : Bohemian Black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadidol View Post
    The first point is a subjective call—it has incredible longevity, but it becomes somewhat imperceptible after a short period. You might think it's gone, but it'll re-emerge later. It certainly doesn't behave like a standard perfume, and so if crazy longevity / projection, this might not be a good choice.

    As for the second point, again—subjective. I personally dislike overly polished and hyper-produced scents, and this is not one of them. It really does have a home-grown feel to it rather than something mass-produced and auto-tuned in a factory. Many of the ingredients are items that she tinctured herself. So again, if you have concerns about it wanting your perfumes to smell like commercial-grade and highly polished items, this might not be for you.
    I wanted to to agree with you about the incredible longevity, and how you think it's gone but you'll keep getting whiffs of it all day as it re-emerges.

    Blackbird is a rare bird indeed. An incredible unique scent that never stops giving me pleasure every time I wear it.

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    I received my bottle of Blackbird on Friday and have worn in a few times now. I'm really enjoying the scent. I'm not finding it overly strong and have done 3 sprays each wearing as some mentioned it is a very strong fragrance. To my nose it is a very well blended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdwctdwc View Post
    My favorite (based on my tastes) is hands down : Bohemian Black.
    +1 that's the one I want to buy :-)


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    Definitely a well-blended fragrance. 3 sprays is no problem, however, you can really smell this one jump off your skin the second your body temperature rises just slightly! You'll think it's gone and it bounces right back!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev320 View Post
    I received my bottle of Blackbird on Friday and have worn in a few times now. I'm really enjoying the scent. I'm not finding it overly strong and have done 3 sprays each wearing as some mentioned it is a very strong fragrance. To my nose it is a very well blended.
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    Excellent Juice. I wish I got in on a bigger quantity than I did when the mega split was happening.

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    Well the longevity seems pretty outstanding. I was at church tonight for vacation Bible school and one of my friends commented how I smelled good. Then later on one of the kids said I smelled good which I thought was funny. The compliments came after spraying 14 hours earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev320 View Post
    Well the longevity seems pretty outstanding. I was at church tonight for vacation Bible school and one of my friends commented how I smelled good. Then later on one of the kids said I smelled good which I thought was funny. The compliments came after spraying 14 hours earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmBeach View Post
    It plays hide 'no seek with you. Just when you think it is gone, it comes roaring back.
    Does it ever! I've fog horned my gym twice now thinking I was fragrance-free. It's the strangest scent in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdwctdwc View Post
    My favorite (based on my tastes) is hands down : Bohemian Black.
    I'm going to dig up this sample again to retest - I tried a whole bunch of samples along with Blackbird & none came close to being FB worthy that time compared to Blackbird.
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