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    a tamed wild beast is just sad, anyway..gotta back up Interlude man before it's too late...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francolino View Post
    a tamed wild beast is just sad, anyway..gotta back up Interlude man before it's too late...
    He he.. Calm down. You got hysterics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslo-Fjord View Post
    He he.. Calm down. You got hysterics!
    Res Ipsa Loquitur, mate! Envy is a wild beast, indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oslo-Fjord View Post
    You call Amouage scents for thin? Joke, right?
    I'm not joking at all. This is what I get from their official sample set.

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    I do have to wonder... if there's any consideration to maceration of contents with the air. I did experience this with a fragrance before, where I'd bought a partially used older splash bottle of a fragrance and then found a brand new sealed bottle smelled somewhat differently, with a stronger alcohol impression. The fragrance is Royall Muske by Royal Bermuda fragrances (famous for Royall Lyme). In time I discovered that with air being in the bottle that it changed. My anecdotal evidence was carefully measured in direct comparisons with the old and new bottle over time. At this point, a few months later, I find the differences barely perceptible. Not to say this is a rule, but it could be that for some formulations exposure to air can introduce mild character changes. Incidentally, I bought a smaller vintage sealed bottle of Muske and had the same experience as I did with the new one. To me, that confirms the introduction of air changes the quality (in a good way), at least for that particular fragrance.

    In any case...

    I bought a brand new bottle of Amouage Jubilation, with the magnetic cap. I was expecting to receive the older one, with the bone ivory colored plastic cap, as the seller offered a tester that featured that cap. I wanted the older one, fearing Amouage might have reformulated Jubilation in step with the new bottle since Epic Man has allegedly been changed. But after careful deliberate testing I find the new bottle contents no different than my sample from the earlier bottle design. I think I can safely say that Amouage didn't change anything with Jubilation.

    By the way, the new cap design is excellent. The weight of the metal cap is reduced somewhat to a more ergonomic feel, and the magnetic closure has a higher end quality to the bottle experience. I probably would have preferred the bone ivory look over flashy gold, but with the same heavier weight. Still, it's quite nice.
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    cytherian, yours is a good point. I'm sure there are fragrances that change with further maceration, introduction of air, and simply the passing of time. It's possible this is the case with Epic Man, but I doubt it for two reasons. First, the biggest difference for me is in the base notes, three or so hours into the development. In the newest (magnetic cap) version, there's a buzzing synthetic ("oud"?) note which is absent in the older version; additionally, the sandalwood note is nowhere to be found. It's not a difference of degree or richness, it's literally a different base. Second, as you'll see earlier in this thread, the ingredients list has changed significantly between the old and new, with the old listing many more ingredients. Since I doubt the IFRA or EU have relaxed the number of potential allergens that need to be listed, it's fair to assume Amouage has changed the formula. Of course I look forward to others doing some comparisons between the two versions, but to me the difference (again, beyond the opening and heart) was quite clear.

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    ^ Good points there, onethinline. I hadn't re-read your original post for a while but I see what you're saying. A different orchestration of ingredients would certainly suggest a change, especially if you don't detect sandalwood at all.

    However, I propose that the change may have occurred prior to the cap design change. While I do appreciate my bottle of Epic Man, I find it hard to perceive the sandalwood note. Maybe for my nose the other notes are presenting too much olfactory noise for me to perceive it... or, there was a reformulation having already taken place. My bottle is a tester with the friction fit style cap, purchased in December 2013. The tester packages have a rather ambiguous ingredients list of just 3 components, which I suspect is designed for re-use of the tester box for all fragrances (the name is dot matrix printed on the box). As a result, I have no reference of the actual full contents for my bottle (all of the essential notes blended in).

    By the way, is there any batch code reference for Amouage fragrances? I have a number imprinted on the box, but I believe it to be a SKU, not a batch number.
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    Not sure whether anyone has decoded the Amouage batch code (it's stamped on the bottom of the bottle, I believe). However, the ingredients label has a reference number (common across bottles of a particular fragrance). Notably, the number for the older version, with many more listed ingredients, is different from the number on the newest version.

    I know I keep mentioning it, but the synthetic woodsy note in the new version is just so distinct from the base of the earlier versions (what I'd tested before, and what I smelled in official samples I'd ordered). I've been able to compare that newest bottle directly to an older bottle I bought just after, and the difference in the base was there again, quite clearly. As I've said, I don't think the newest version is bad by any means, but that new base is not to my personal taste at all.

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    Again this is so sad. The long tenticles of the IFRA and The Emirates Authority for Standardisation and Metrology (ESMA) are ruining not just Europen perfumes, but those from the Middle East too. It seems that Amouage first pulled all of its attars and ceased production of them. Probably at the same time reformulations were in the works for their other scents. I have no doubt, even without smelling that Epic has been changed and I expect most or all of Amouage's products will be similarly evicerated.

    If you have not read this short article, you might want to.

    http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...03-27-1.543303
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    Again this is so sad. The long tenticles of the IFRA and The Emirates Authority for Standardisation and Metrology (ESMA) are ruining not just Europen perfumes, but those from the Middle East too. It seems that Amouage first pulled all of its attars and ceased production of them. Probably at the same time reformulations were in the works for their other scents. I have no doubt, even without smelling that Epic has been changed and I expect most or all of Amouage's products will be similarly evicerated.

    If you have not read this short article, you might want to.

    http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...03-27-1.543303
    thanx for sharing the article, now I know I gotta back Interlude man up before it is too late!
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    For what it's worth...

    I took a sample of Jubilation that I'd received from a friend (came from an early 2013 bottle) and my new bottle of Jubilation and decanted each into a small vial with a tiny square of white label on each. One had a black dot on it, which represents the new one. I then did the walnut shell shuffle and I applied about 0.25ml to each wrist. Overall I found very little difference. One felt a slight but "fuller" and "fruitier" and also seemed to project just a little more. After 30 mins I couldn't really sense any difference. I then went for broke and dumped the remaining contents of each onto each respective arm (blank on left, tiny black dot on right). Seemed to be a similar experience yet again, of the right arm being slightly richer. Two hours later, I couldn't tell the difference at all. I then revealed the containers to myself and saw that the right arm had the contents of the new bottle. Honestly, I was kind of expecting the reverse. Still, even a slight marginal difference in the beginning is inconsequential as the dry down equalizes everything.

    I know this is Jubilation and the thread is about Epic Man... but the concern here is if Epic Man is a sign of many other reformulations taking place in the house of Amouage. It certainly looks to me like Jubilation has not been reformulated... unless my bottle was filled with juice created just prior to an intended reformulation. But I suspect that is not the case. I'll have to do a double-check on the ingredients list though.

    My Jubilation package shows this ingredients list:
    Alcohol Denat, Parfum, Aqua, Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene, Linalool, Eugenol, Cinnamal, Geraniol, Diethyl Phthalate, Isoeugenol

    A friend of mine has the older style bottle, and his list is slightly different:
    Benzyl Benzoate, Cinnamal, Citral, Citronellol, Coumarin, Aqua, SD Alcohol 39-C, Eugenol, Geraniol, Isoeugenol, Limonene and Linalool.

    Notice the absence of Citral, Citronellol, and Coumarin. I'd heard Coumarin was on the IFRA chopping block, so... looks like it is gone. Unless "Parfum" is being used to hide some of these.
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    That's interesting, cytherian.
    I wonder how that would compare to the original issues as some of the 'Women' ones definitely altered before 2013.

    Not relevant either, but I'm waiting for a bottle of Epic Woman extrait & will be doing some comparisons with a bottle of the original EdP that has been here for a few years as it has been suggested in respect of some that the extrait is worth looking at if available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    That's interesting, cytherian.
    I wonder how that would compare to the original issues as some of the 'Women' ones definitely altered before 2013.

    Not relevant either, but I'm waiting for a bottle of Epic Woman extrait & will be doing some comparisons with a bottle of the original EdP that has been here for a few years as it has been suggested in respect of some that the extrait is worth looking at if available.
    To my nose the extrait and EdP are very similar just different concentrations. Please let us know your thoughts though when you compare them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev320 View Post
    To my nose the extrait and EdP are very similar just different concentrations. Please let us know your thoughts though when you compare them.
    They appear pretty similar, perhaps a little less frankincense in the extrait than in my old EdP bottle.
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    I would agree that both concentrations for Epic Woman are very similar, albeit the extrait is richer and longer lasting.

    Neither are sillage monsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    They appear pretty similar, perhaps a little less frankincense in the extrait than in my old EdP bottle.
    Did you receive the extrait, lpp? I liked it more than the standard Epic Woman EdP, but didn't give it a full wearing on my skin, after a shower with no other scent on my skin to be able to say for sure whether I liked it or not. Expensive stuff mind you!

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    I have the extrait version of Epic woman and see little difference between that and the regular version except that it seems a bit stronger and lasts longer. Super expensive though and to be honest, I am not sure it is worth the price...except for the fact that I got a tester at a remarkable price.

    Do they stull make the extrait? I have not sen it listed anywhere for quite some time.
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    Default Re: Amouage Epic Man: truly reformulated?

    Mine wasn't anywhere near full price either, Akahina

    It's still available on their own website.

    @rum - yes, the original EdP is amongst my favourites & so a back-up was needed & that seemed like a plan...
    The base seems slightly different but it's an option!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    @rum - yes, the original EdP is amongst my favourites & so a back-up was needed & that seemed like a plan...
    The base seems slightly different but it's an option!
    One of my justifications for visiting the Amouage store is to go and sniff the extraits
    I need to go back there soon!

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    Jubilation 25 was nice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Jubilation 25 was nice....
    I found the Jub 25 extrait very disappointing. It's not as edgy and doesn't last long on the skin.

    As a result, I ended up getting the EDP instead.

    Personally, I think the Lyric and Epic extraits are definitely worth investigating, though I can't speak for the earlier releases, such as Gold.

    Overall, the Amouage extraits are really hit and miss, IMHO.

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    Was that a recent one, Trebor? - mine is from when it came out & seems fairly nuclear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    Was that a recent one, Trebor? - mine is from when it came out & seems fairly nuclear!
    I tried them all when they first came out (I think I was one of the first to mention the existence of Amouage extraits on Basenotes). I applied Jub 25 extrait on myself, on two separate occasions, but didn't get much presence after a couple of hours.

    I also found the Jub 25 extrait less animalic than the EDP.

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    Just received my bottle of Epic Man from Fragrancenet today. I am sad to say that they were selling new stock, and the new stock has none of hte punch that I loved in Epic Man. As others have said numerous times, it's a toned down version, for me not in a good way. I wore old on one arm, new on the other. The older version has a delicious sweetness that is sadly missing from the new, and the new is definitely fainter. I am disappointed.
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    Default Re: Amouage Epic Man: truly reformulated?

    Very sad...

    On the other hand, those that say Fragrancenet always sells old stock should take note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    Very sad...

    On the other hand, those that say Fragrancenet always sells old stock should take note.
    Good news bad news. Yay, new stock! Boooo, new stock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    Very sad...

    On the other hand, those that say Fragrancenet always sells old stock should take note.
    The amount of times I've had a potential buyer asking me how fresh a bottle, for sale, is beggars belief. You're not buying fruit and veg!

    There's a lot of misinformation about that. As long as the bottles are stored well, it should make no difference (that's provided we're not also taking different formulations into account).

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    Well, I for one am convinced the Epic Man reformulation is real, given the number of testimonies. Really lousy news, especially since there was a prominent inventory gap between the old and new bottles. It's going to be very hard to track down the older version at retail prices. Already one guy sold his 50% full 100ml bottle with "vintage" in the title and it sold for just a little shy of what FragranceNet charges for a full tester. Anybody who feels lukewarm about Epic Man will now have an opportunity to make their money back and then some.

    My only hope is that Amouage feels a notable decline in Epic Man sales, and with sufficient feedback from reviews perhaps they'll reformulate it back to what it was. Or... maybe there's just a bad initial batch out there? One can only hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rouj View Post
    Just received my bottle of Epic Man from Fragrancenet today. I am sad to say that they were selling new stock, and the new stock has none of hte punch that I loved in Epic Man. As others have said numerous times, it's a toned down version, for me not in a good way. I wore old on one arm, new on the other. The older version has a delicious sweetness that is sadly missing from the new, and the new is definitely fainter. I am disappointed.
    I assume it has a magnetic cap? Also curious if you got the boxed, unboxed or tester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    I assume it has a magnetic cap? Also curious if you got the boxed, unboxed or tester.
    I got the boxed one, and it came with a magnetic cap. Can't speak for how testers or unboxed come from Fragrancenet. I tried it again last night after I got home, it's definitely not the same fragrance it once was.
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