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    At the front entrance of a garden today was this wonderful tree in riotous bloom.

    It looked very close to a citrus tree, by size and leaf shape. But the Garden people had never seen it fruit.
    They are experienced, and have researched it, but have not successfully ID'd the tree. These flowers are on the under side of the branches. (you can see that these are the leaf undersides shown.)

    The odor is sweet PEA/citrus blossom. In addition to the normal sweet orange blossom type odor was a very strong Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol sweetness. In fact I'd say that it is more PEA than Orange Blossom. And it also had a dose of indole. Tall tree, about 25' (7.5 meters)

    Ideas?

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    Is it some kind of Choisya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choisya
    Do you have a pic of the entire form of the plant?
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    Default Re: Identity help, Please...

    The leaves look like a citrus.
    Maybe a Pomelo?
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    It looks as though the stigmas may be the wrong shape for a Choisya, Citrus or a Pomelo but I don't have a better suggestion to give. It might be worth posting it on a botanical or gardening forum. You can sometimes force a plant to set fruit by spraying the blossoms with a solution of gibberellic acid, but it would be a lot of effort just to identify a plant. Not to mention the hassle of asking for the owner's permission.
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    It might be some variety (ie. some species) of Mock Orange...one of various species of Philadelphus.

    Compare to Philadelphus coronarius:

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    The leaves appear thicker than a Philadelphus to me.

    It will be interesting to find out what is is
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    Hmm. This is in Los Angeles, right? Hot, dry climate...but with sufficient water and perhaps shade, tropical and sub-tropical fruits could be grown there...I can tell you that trees with fragrant, pendant white flowers are often pollinated by moths at night, if that gives a clue. I have a strong suspicion that it's some sort of tropical fruit or spice. There's a fascinating tropical fruit & spice park on Sanibel Island, Florida, which I visited around Christmas 2012. I bought their guidebook, but can't find it at the moment, and don't have more time to look for it right now. But when I do find it, I'll have a look in there and see if there's anything similar.
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    Default Re: Identity help, Please...

    Thanks, velvetseven - there's a good website from around that way but they don't have pics for all of the plants.
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    IPP, Philadelphus is the genus, there are many species within the genus. Not to say that I know that the plant is definitely a mock orange. It does look to me though that it is a possibility. Mock Orange flower scent is fairly close to that of Orange Blossom (flowers), therefore the common name.

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    Yes, I know islearom, but the leaves are unlike any Philadelphus that I've ever seen (they're closer to the Choisya) - you may well be quite correct 'though.
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    To add some more Latin Nomenclature related confusion...there is also the genus Pittosporum, which contains a couple hundred species, and of which, some as well go under the name of "Mock Orange".

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    Isn't Choisya in the Bombax family?

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    No clue these days - I thought that it was in the Rutaceae.
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    I see you are right on Choisya being in the Rutaceae...I was mixing that up with Chorisia (a member of the Bombacaceae), my error. Paul's image does look similar to Choisya...shall be interesting to find out whenever we do, I'm curious about the identity of the plant in that picture.

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    Default Re: Identity help, Please...

    OK, Sorry for being absent... Tree has never fruited, so that possibly means not a fruit tree. looks quite like a ficus tree in appearance, shape and height. (probably smaller than LARGE ficus trees though)

    Clearly a different flower from the Philadelphia. And the Philadelphia flowers on top of the branches, while this tree flowers UNDER the branches...


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    Are the flowers a true flower or are they bracts (or similar). They look sort of waxy in the photo - are they tough or soft?
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    Default Re: Identity help, Please...

    Quote Originally Posted by Niche1 View Post
    Are the flowers a true flower or are they bracts (or similar). They look sort of waxy in the photo - are they tough or soft?

    Don't know what Bracts are... I brought that branch home, they wilted very quickly, out of water... I tend to think they are real flowers though, although I can't be sure since I don't know what Bracts are......

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    Sounds as though they're true flowers. In case you're interested : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bract
    I'll keep hunting around for what this is - because it's bugging me.
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    Immediate guess was dogwood, but I have nothing to back that up, and I am probably wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis View Post
    Immediate guess was dogwood, but I have nothing to back that up, and I am probably wrong.
    I'll say no to Dogwood, because the Dogwood flowers have four petals, these have five. and the leaves are very veined in Dogwood, and these are not. These leaves, and tree structure is more Ficus oriented.

    I've got ALL my Perfuming friends, WORLDWIDE looking this one up, This is really fun! :-)
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    Default Re: Identity help, Please...

    It's the trickiest one that I've seen here so far, Paul - absolutely fascinating

    If the conditions are not right for fruiting it might not anyway even if it should.

    Sent a pic to Kew in case they have any ideas btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    OK, Sorry for being absent... Tree has never fruited, so that possibly means not a fruit tree.
    It might be worth visiting again in a few weeks, to see if any seeds, fruits or elaiosomes, etc. are forming. One possibility is that it's self-sterile and needs another plant to cross-pollinate with. Or, it may have been cultivated to not bear fruit, similar to some of the Ornamental cherries. It's quite disappointing to be surrounded by Cherry trees that don't bear any fruit, although they're useful in public places, where the cherries would just litter the ground and make a mess.
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    Not a citrus. Not bananas, pineapple, avocado, mangoes, persimmon, pomegranate, papaya, dragonfruit, starfruit, or guava. Not coffee, tea, cacao, cloves, cinnamon, or star anise. Not custard apple, java apple, tamarind, lychee, sapodilla, breadfruit, tropical fig, or jackfruit. Not macadamia, cashew or brazil nut. Not durian! So frustrating, because it looks so familiar. I still can't find my tropical fruit & spice park book. Paul, were the tips of the leaves pointed? Hard to tell from the photo.

    But I have found, on an Australian exotic fruit forum, that some tropical fruit trees will flower but not set fruit at the edges of their range. I have also learned that there are a great many more tropical fruit varieties than I ever imagined.
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    Yes, apparently desert type wind is unhelpful for fruiting as well!

    A pic of the whole tree, plus the topside of the leaves might be useful in due course.


    As Pears suggests, a later visit with pics of what happens after the flowers have died might be good if it's still a mystery in a few weeks!

    Also, is it evergreen or deciduous?
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    Mmmm. Thanks folks. Will revisit the garden later this week, I'm waiting for the Corpse Flower to bloom to return.

    You can watch realtime video of the Corpse flower here:
    http://www.orangecoastcollege.edu/ac...ettia-Cam.aspx

    Will take more pics of our Mystery guest then...

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    Oh, Sorry, I realized I could reshoot the leaves today, here attached
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    One of those bloomed in DC last year. The one in DC at least stinked only for less than a day from the moment it opened, so if it's the same, you really need to go there right away. I missed the stink part because the lines were enormous.

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    I can see the similarity in the stamens and anthers in the Top Tropicals pic, but I think the Magnolias tend not to have the large clusters of flowers as shown in Paul's picture. Also, flowers of trees in the magnolia family tend to be larger than what appears to be the case in the image of the unidentified botanical.

    As to the ficus possibility, I have never taken notice of flowers on a ficus (and I have been in the vicinity of many ficus trees in my lifetime), not to suggest that they do not exist, but they are definitely not prominent...per the writing on the topic of Ficus flowers, from a ficus group: "Ficus have a very specific way of being pollinated and seeing a picture of a typical flower with petals is a guarantee that you are not looking at a Ficus flower."

    I think the search continues...

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