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    Default Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Maybe I didn't search properly ?...
    I found one thread about this, dated April. It's been released here in France.
    On fragrantica there are already many reviews of this.
    The reviews speak for themselves.....
    "Tragic" !!! What is going on with these major designer houses, producing such low quality, unimaginative generic fragrances ? I am so unimpressed by them all. They all smell the same - operative words are boring, bland. Is this the effect of globalisation ? Seems so.
    The major houses seem to be copying each other rather than being inventive. Whatever happened to that word "dynamic" ??
    Reviewers on fragrantica compare this to " Valentino Uomo/ Axe Instinct/ YSL La Nuit....."

    I can only say, hat's off to Dior, who seem to have more initiative than all of the others put together.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Have you actually smelled it?

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Have you actually smelled it?
    Today...on the skin and on a test strip....otherwise I would not pass any judgement. If you think I'm just being "akward", look at all the reviews on fragrantica.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Have you actually smelled it?
    Have you actually smelled it ?
    ...obviously not.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Relax, david. I couldn't tell from your post whether you had actually smelled it or not. That's why I asked.

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    I was really looking forward to this release, as were / are many others. I have not smelled this to date and I will also reserve my judgement until I have a chance to smell it, but it doesn't look good.
    Thanks for your view on this one David.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    I might try it when the prices plummet. Sounds like this one sucks.

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Still plan to buy it when the opportunity arises despite what has already been expressed.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    I'll test it. I wouldn't buy this one blind. Thanks for sharing David
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    It's a mainstream release - I hope it does really well for them so TW can kick back and fire off a few more Songe d'un Bois d'Ete's for those of us who are interested.

    When you look at what passes for 'masculine' these days anything that does not have 'pink pepper' up front, 'cedar and woods notes' in the middle and 'masculine vanilla cupcake' in the base . . . is basically an anomaly. Well, unless it's supa-fresh, of course, which seems to be the other accepted approach for the bros.

    Nevertheless, look forward to trying it.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    I'm very disappointed with L'Homme Idéal. We wait years for the new men's fragrance from Guerlain, and all we get is a syrupy mess that most will struggle to distinguish from the other mainstreams masculines on offer. Where's the creativity, the innovation? It would have been great to see a dry, modern masculine chypre, a new take on the aromatic fougère - anything that would have stood out a little from the crowd.

    In other areas - his careful restoration of the classic Guerlain heritage, for instance - Wasser has been a real boon, but his own compositions rarely sparkle. A real shame.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    It's a mainstream release - I hope it does really well for them so TW can kick back and fire off a few more Songe d'un Bois d'Ete's for those of us who are interested.

    When you look at what passes for 'masculine' these days anything that does not have 'pink pepper' up front, 'cedar and woods notes' in the middle and 'masculine vanilla cupcake' in the base . . . is basically an anomaly. Well, unless it's supa-fresh, of course, which seems to be the other accepted approach for the bros.

    Nevertheless, look forward to trying it.
    Sums it up good. Haven't smelled it but hard to expect much when they have to compete with disinfectants like Bleu de Chanel or many of the various masculine syrups. But somehow I think it's probably a good fragrance. There's a reason why Guerlain is still considered the greatest perfume house. Hell, even the much maligned Guerlain Homme is a lot better overall composition than most of what's out there.

    Yeah, variations of Songe d'un Bois d'Ete would be hugely appreciated. One of the best things I've ever smelled. Hopefully Wasser will have the freedom to do some more of that.
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    no wonder!
    ...burning out while fading away....
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    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    I'm very disappointed with L'Homme Idéal. We wait years for the new men's fragrance from Guerlain, and all we get is a syrupy mess that most will struggle to distinguish from the other mainstreams masculines on offer. Where's the creativity, the innovation? It would have been great to see a dry, modern masculine chypre, a new take on the aromatic fougère - anything that would have stood out a little from the crowd.

    In other areas - his careful restoration of the classic Guerlain heritage, for instance - Wasser has been a real boon, but his own compositions rarely sparkle. A real shame.
    I don't know why so many BNers have such confidence in these companies any longer! Fortunately, and unlike most things in life, you can "relive the glory days" by simply buying vintage bottles. Why hope for a Derby-like scent when you can just buy a bottle of Derby?

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    And so it begins (pretty much as expected)
    That feeling when you're waiting for a split to fill.
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    It will probably fare on Basenotes like a number of other frags released over the past few years: outright dismissal at first followed by a more objective reapppraisal several years later when it will receive greater appreciation.

    I don't have a problem with these sorts of fragrances, especially if, as mr. reasonable mentions, it allows a company the financial wiggle room to create more daring or innovative fragrances for the connoisseurs.

    EDIT: Letting the following paragraph stand as I wrote it. It is, however, incorrect, as pointed out by several members in their posts below. L'Homme and the various Hommes are not related. Sorry for any confusion.

    I don't quite understand the disappointment specifically directed towards a flanker of Guerlain L'Homme. The original and its earlier flankers were all mass market fragrances made in a style that appeals to that market. What L'Homme Ideale turned out to be shouldn't have been a big surprise.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    I think many are too quick to pass judgement, as well as base their judgement and their expectations of a fragrance on the "history" of a house, like Guerlain. I too fall into this category, and did this with Bleu de Chanel, for example.

    I think more time needs to be spent with a fragrance, like a week of normal wear, instead of smelling it once on the skin and/or test strip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    It will probably fare on Basenotes like a number of other frags released over the past few years: outright dismissal at first followed by a more objective reapppraisal several years later when it will receive greater appreciation.....
    Great perceptions as usual, noggs. Build 'em up then tear 'em down and vice versa. Been that way for a long time. Hell, I don't think I've smelled anything by Guerlain that was all that bad. There's a reason why it's still considered the greatest perfume house and why every great perfumer wants to work for them.

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    It will probably fare on Basenotes like a number of other frags released over the past few years: outright dismissal at first followed by a more objective reapppraisal several years later when it will receive greater appreciation.

    I don't have a problem with these sorts of fragrances, especially if, as mr. reasonable mentions, it allows a company the financial wiggle room to create more daring or innovative fragrances for the connoisseurs.

    I don't quite understand the disappointment specifically directed towards a flanker of Guerlain L'Homme. The original and its earlier flankers were all mass market fragrances made in a style that appeals to that market. What L'Homme Ideale turned out to be shouldn't have been a big surprise.
    Absolutely agree that time out to reflect and consider is necessary, but as far as this one is concerned I have a sample, don't like it and at the moment don't feel like going anywhere near it! Maybe I'll come round eventually, who knows.

    Of course I've no problem if Guerlain's commercial releases facilitate the creation of more innovative fragrances - but where are they? The succession of Petite Robe Noire and Shalimar flankers (Parfum Initial is dead, long live Soufflé de Shalimar) certainly don't fit into that category. And longstanding, distinctive, historically significant scents like Véga and Sous le Vent have got the chop. I suppose it's the whiff of cynicism that gets me.

    By the way, I don't think L'Homme Idéal is supposed to be a flanker of L'Homme, is it? I had the impression it was a standalone release.

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    Relax, david. I couldn't tell from your post whether you had actually smelled it or not. That's why I asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    Absolutely agree that time out to reflect and consider is necessary, but as far as this one is concerned I have a sample, don't like it and at the moment don't feel like going anywhere near it! Maybe I'll come round eventually, who knows.

    Of course I've no problem if Guerlain's commercial releases facilitate the creation of more innovative fragrances - but where are they? The succession of Petite Robe Noire and Shalimar flankers (Parfum Initial is dead, long live Soufflé de Shalimar) certainly don't fit into that category. And longstanding, distinctive, historically significant scents like Véga and Sous le Vent have got the chop. I suppose it's the whiff of cynicism that gets me.

    By the way, I don't think L'Homme Idéal is supposed to be a flanker of L'Homme, is it? I had the impression it was a standalone release.

    No it's not. The other fragrance (and it's flankers) isn't named Guerlain L'Homme either. It's Guerlain Homme (L'Eau, L'Eau Boisee, and Intense). Pointing this out only because it helps clarify that these are two completely separate releases--Guerlain L'Homme Ideal and Guerlain Homme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david View Post
    Sorry Buysblind, I do apologise !!
    No problem, David. Just a misunderstanding!

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Thanks to everyone for your views.
    Believe me I am not bashing Guerlain, or this fragrance - for the sake of it. It is my personal opinion on this one and I don't think it will change in five years time, or in ten years time.
    This one's not for me and I'm personally sick and tired of this trend of low quality, synthetic,crowd pleaser/ proletarian fragrances.
    I cannot understand the, "if you haven't got anything good to say about a fragrance..then don't say anything" attitude here sometimes...?
    Perhaps for some, my comments are seen as attacking a Holy Grail....
    I really admire Dior for producing cutting edge stuff. They took risks with Dior Homme and it paid off bigtime. I think this is currently the best selling male fragrance in France. They also produced many other daring,ingenious perfumes in recent years, including Eau Sauvage Parfum.
    I praise Dior for their creativity and use of high quality ingredients.
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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    I don't know why so many BNers have such confidence in these companies any longer! Fortunately, and unlike most things in life, you can "relive the glory days" by simply buying vintage bottles. Why hope for a Derby-like scent when you can just buy a bottle of Derby?
    Totally agree with this. I also agree very much with the comments of saminlondon.
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    Ouch. I was going to blind buy this as soon as it's avaliable here, but I think I'll have to try it first. Nothing but negative reviews so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    It will probably fare on Basenotes like a number of other frags released over the past few years: outright dismissal at first followed by a more objective reapppraisal several years later when it will receive greater appreciation.
    Heh, I was going to say the same thing, except phrase it more snarkily, like, "you pack of eggheads is not to be trusted, given your horrific history with Bleu de Chanel". (obviously just teasing... very much appreciate the sophisticated tastes here). But the fact is, even really great compositions like BdC don't fare well on BN if they're too accessible. Duly noted, though, this is a more mass market, accessible fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    By the way, I don't think L'Homme Idéal is supposed to be a flanker of L'Homme, is it? I had the impression it was a standalone release.
    Oops, I think you are right.

    I wasn't paying enough attention to the distinction between Homme and L'Homme (bloody French!). Should've done my homework before spouting off. Guerlain's promotion of this treats it as a separate fragrance.

    Thanks for setting this straight.
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    With notable exceptions, fragrance houses have always played to the broad tastes of the time; what's really at issue here is that the taste of many connoisseurs such as us Basenoters is out-of-step with what's currently in fashion. As much as I'd admire Guerlain releasing a masculine chypre, there's no way it would sell; most guys smelling a chypre today will associate the accord with datedness, with a grandparent perhaps, but certainly not with something they want to smell like. When chypres were popular, they were, well, POPULAR, and the connotation of the scent was new, now, desirable. We enthusiasts go back and appreciate it, but it's something now out-of-time.

    The more realistic thing to look for, as far as broadly-targeted releases, is a composition which plays off current fashions while saying something new and distinguished within that vocabulary. Dior Homme comes to mind right away: it's both daring, in that it turns on a (synthetic) iris note in a men's fragrance, but it also sits on a sweet-cacao-suede-wood base which is happily legible to men with a taste for current gourmands, vanilla, etc.

    For something to step forward as both different and broadly appealing, it has to hit the right next step at the right time. I have no idea of the formula there, if there is one, but I'd suspect it has to feel to audiences as a step forward (when calone was novel, say), rather than a step back (chypre today).

    I mentioned this in another thread, but it's interesting to consider that Chanel Pour Monsieur, which most of us regard highly, was released at a time when chypres were part of the lingua franca of fragrances -- that was just a normal way a fragrance would smell. Chanel offered a readily legible, go-for-it-and-feel-right men's composition, something familiar but made with care and intelligence. Now we like it because it's out-of-step. But how is Bleu de Chanel today so different from what Pour Monsieur was then? BdC is based on what is currently a familiar motif, something currently associated with cleanliness and grooming, and composed to be easy-to-reach-for, recognizable, popular, but created with care and intelligence. Many of us don't care for it because it is in-step with popular taste. Many of us who have spent more time with it have discovered it to be far less careless and cynical than it first appears, though none would claim it offers anything daring or different -- as Pour Monsieur did not in its time, either.

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    Default Re: Guerlain L'Homme Ideal...pathetic generic trash.

    I have a feeling i will like this. Even the negative views, when sliced and diced, lend some cred to L'HI, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onethinline View Post
    With notable exceptions, fragrance houses have always played to the broad tastes of the time; what's really at issue here is that the taste of many connoisseurs such as us Basenoters is out-of-step with what's currently in fashion. As much as I'd admire Guerlain releasing a masculine chypre, there's no way it would sell; most guys smelling a chypre today will associate the accord with datedness, with a grandparent perhaps, but certainly not with something they want to smell like. When chypres were popular, they were, well, POPULAR, and the connotation of the scent was new, now, desirable. We enthusiasts go back and appreciate it, but it's something now out-of-time.

    The more realistic thing to look for, as far as broadly-targeted releases, is a composition which plays off current fashions while saying something new and distinguished within that vocabulary. Dior Homme comes to mind right away: it's both daring, in that it turns on a (synthetic) iris note in a men's fragrance, but it also sits on a sweet-cacao-suede-wood base which is happily legible to men with a taste for current gourmands, vanilla, etc.

    For something to step forward as both different and broadly appealing, it has to hit the right next step at the right time. I have no idea of the formula there, if there is one, but I'd suspect it has to feel to audiences as a step forward (when calone was novel, say), rather than a step back (chypre today).

    I mentioned this in another thread, but it's interesting to consider that Chanel Pour Monsieur, which most of us regard highly, was released at a time when chypres were part of the lingua franca of fragrances -- that was just a normal way a fragrance would smell. Chanel offered a readily legible, go-for-it-and-feel-right men's composition, something familiar but made with care and intelligence. Now we like it because it's out-of-step. But how is Bleu de Chanel today so different from what Pour Monsieur was then? BdC is based on what is currently a familiar motif, something currently associated with cleanliness and grooming, and composed to be easy-to-reach-for, recognizable, popular, but created with care and intelligence. Many of us don't care for it because it is in-step with popular taste. Many of us who have spent more time with it have discovered it to be far less careless and cynical than it first appears, though none would claim it offers anything daring or different -- as Pour Monsieur did not in its time, either.
    This is a great post. Although I would be interested to hear how many people of fashion / perfume connoiseurs found those "popular" scents also classy and well done... here it seems like people (whose noses I trust) claim that this scent is simply shoddy and badly composed, regardless of the popularity of the scent. I have no idea since I haven't tried it, but I'm looking forward to trying it for myself.

    I think Dior has been doing it right. They can put out a scent and call it "Aqua Fahrenheit" and it is still more original and striking than many other things out there on the market. And then they throw perfume connoisseurs a bone with their privée line.

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