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    Default IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    I hear at least one type of wormwood oil is forbidden under IFRA/EU regulations as a neurotoxin. Is this true of all the varieties, and if so, what's a good scent substitute? I do know it's okay for personal use, but "potentially deadly" isn't really a trait I want in things I make.

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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    "Potentially Deadly" is complete fabrication.

    IFRA is Evil.

    said my peace.

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    I still have to follow their rules if I wish to make things for sale, and from my research wormwood is in fact poisonous and narcotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomanthic View Post
    I still have to follow their rules if I wish to make things for sale, and from my research wormwood is in fact poisonous and narcotic.
    If you drink a bunch of it in absinthe or whatever, then yes it can be dangerous. But wormwood is used in nutritional treatments for parasites, taken in capsule form. It's about the quantity ingested. It is toxic in certain quantities, but not useless internally. Traditional absinthe is made with wormwood, and a lot of absinthe has been consumed (worst hangover ever, though).

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    That doesn't really answer my original question, which is can I use it in products I intend to sell under EU restrictions and if not what smells similar?

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    I don't see any mention of Wormwood Oil, or any artemesia in the standards listed on the IFRA site, do you? Or even Thujone. Is there something else in it that makes it IFRA "unsafe"?

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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    If you can take the time to read the TGSC page for Wormwood oil:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/es1013191.html

    You would see that it is restricted for the following reason:
    contains the following IFRA (Annex) restricted components : (non-analysis max. level reference only)
    geraniol Max. Found: <0.40 % and Reason: Sensitization


    Learn to use the TGSC database really well, and then you can find out this information on your own...

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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomanthic View Post
    I hear at least one type of wormwood oil is forbidden under IFRA/EU regulations as a neurotoxin. Is this true of all the varieties, and if so, what's a good scent substitute? I do know it's okay for personal use, but "potentially deadly" isn't really a trait I want in things I make.
    Hear from where?

    I have a fragrance (Artemis) built around the oil of Artemisia absinthium (the species most usually meant by wormwood, but be careful there are a great many artemisia species and the common names are not a clear way to identify them as detailed in this post on my blog). Artemis is fully IFRA compliant.
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    And Artemisia (the perfume) is jolly nice too
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    On another post concerning Wormwood I suggested, as a substitute, Armoise Oil, Artemesia Oil, Cedarleaf Oil, or even Sage Oil. Apparently , I was ignored.

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    Yes, O.P. - maybe subscribing to threads where you have had questions answered would be helpful.
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/371...motions-scents
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    I saw on the IFRA regulation list here that it was banned, and Google backed that up. Has something changed since that list was made?

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    I've just looked at the two IFRA posts on the DIY Forum. No mention of Wormwood or Thujone on either of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpp View Post
    And Artemisia (the perfume) is jolly nice too
    Thank you, Iím glad youíre enjoying it!
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    Can't imagine why it's coming up as banned on Google, then. Huh... Am I confusing it with EU restrictions, or is it okay under those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomanthic View Post
    I saw on the IFRA regulation list here that it was banned, and Google backed that up. Has something changed since that list was made?
    I wrote the IFRA regulation post here (duplicated and maintained on my blog too) and I can assure you that wherever else you may have seen it, it wasnít there. Google doesnít Ďback upí anything it just finds stuff: some of which is good quality information and some of which is codswallop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrestomanthic View Post
    Can't imagine why it's coming up as banned on Google, then. Huh... Am I confusing it with EU restrictions, or is it okay under those?
    Just Googled "Wormwood Oil", "Wormwood Essential Oil", "Wormwood Essential Oil in Perfumery". No mention of the Oil being banned in any of them.

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    I think that the O.P. is confusing the E.O. with the historic ban on Absinthe?
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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    I Googled "wormwood restriction ifra" and got some info that it was banned. So if it is okay to use, what's the percentage regulation, if any? Do EU regulations cover it, if IFRA doesn't?

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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    I wrote the IFRA regulation post here (duplicated and maintained on my blog too) and I can assure you that wherever else you may have seen it, it wasn’t there. Google doesn’t ‘back up’ anything it just finds stuff: some of which is good quality information and some of which is codswallop.

    O.P., please do read Chris' posts thoroughly, together with Paul's, Dr. Smell This' & David's posts and think about them.
    They are all 'pros' so disputing their advice on the basis of an unsubstantiated idea is not the way forward.


    A link to your Google 'banned' info would be helpful please if you wish to dispute the answers further.

    Familiarising yourself with the regulations and learning how to calculate your formulae is something to be learned and Paul's link in post #7 should be very helpful to you in the future.
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    Not disputing it, just saying that's what I was told and asking for better information.

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    Your query has been answered as far as I can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    If you can take the time to read the TGSC page for Wormwood oil:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/es1013191.html

    You would see that it is restricted for the following reason:
    contains the following IFRA (Annex) restricted components : (non-analysis max. level reference only)
    geraniol Max. Found: <0.40 % and Reason: Sensitization

    Learn to use the TGSC database really well, and then you can find out this information on your own...

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    Default Re: IFRA-safe wormwood equivalent?

    Let's close the thread...?
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    O.K., Paul, done
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