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    Default After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    I am sure some humor awaits, but Black, then Intense, then Oud, then...

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Aoud

    A good question actually. May be a blast from the past of some sort.
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    ".....IFRA is over. Now that we can stimulate olfactory cells directly with light, there’s no need for chemicals. At least, there hasn't been since 2013, when a group at the Media Lab (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, my current place of work) successfully replicated a convincing smell of bacon by shining light pulses at three different wavelengths.

    Three years later the technology was sufficiently advanced that perfumers were fooled about whether they were smelling rose oil or light. MIT Chemistry students were among the first to use the technology to identify and remember molecules by associating them with tunes. My son at age 10 smelled wintergreen in a cough drop and said, “Smoke and mint.” When he and his musically-minded sister arrived at MIT, they soon figured out the smoke and mint chords and learned to play them at different speeds—it turns out arpeggiato is best—until they got wintergreen.

    In 2019 at age 20 my son finished a degree in Optogenetic Engineering, while his sister’s third-year assignment at Juilliard was a 3-minute smell piece in which she starts out with a huge cluster chord that smells like wet dog and and one by one removes all the bad notes, ending with Jicky played pianissimo.

    To smell a perfume these days, all you do is spray a solution containing about 200 different harmless viruses up your nose. Each virus infects a different type of olfactory receptor and instructs it to make a particular protein, which pumps electric charge across the membrane when exposed to light of a particular color. After about 18 to 24 hours, the proteins are in place.

    You insert a small fiber optic into your nostril. It is connected to a small machine containing a dozen tunable lasers, which in turn is connected to your laptop and can read a variety of formats like .olf, .noz and .mp7. (Not familiar with them? You haven’t been paying attention.)

    I bought one of the early prototype machines and spent several months just going up and down the scale of molecular vibrations and endlessly playing Vince Guaraldi’s “Cast Your Fate to the Wind” (the second chord smells of lavender soap) on an iPad MIDI keyboard. That was a while ago. Now of course ITunes has a smellable books section, and you can visit the Osmothèque remotely.

    But the best things are completely new: the strange, stately harmonies of smell are now explored by a generation of “nazers,” a movement started in Paris around 2020 that soon took over the world. You are all familiar with their work, no need to go into it. I knew they were onto something when I smelled a piece by Calice Becker’s granddaughter that went from bread to nail varnish to curry in the opening bar. I am smelling her second album as I write....."

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    "Oud Sport"

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    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    "Oud Sport"
    Made me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    "Oud Sport"
    Hilarious for sure...

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    IFRA is banished & oakmoss makes a comeback...

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    I don't think oud is going away. Nor do I think vetiver is going away, bergamot is going away or musc is going away. It's just another note perfumers will use. There will always be oud notes used in some perfumes. What will be the next new note? I don't have a clue...maybe skunk.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Well we already have Oud & Oud by Cartier. Maybe... Oud & Oud & Oud
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    the big thing I learned from the industry side is that it's not a consumer/demand driven market, it's about supply. People buy what they're told to buy. So basically whatever the next captive is. I think we'll continue to see mainstream houses bring out large 'niche' like high end 'exclusive' lines, including some dry spicey and wood scents which seems to be where we're heading as a big movement, and either this'll branch out, or there'll be a counter movement as fashion always does and in 5-7 years we'll be moving into a super clean fresh direction, probably based on some new interesting citrus, musk, etc
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    I think sandalwood is due for a (very welcome) comeback now that santalum album is commercially available again. Unless the twits in Brussels hear about it, of course.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    The next fad will depend on the next aromachemical coming down the pipeline. When a new, effective, and inexpensive aromachemical comes down the pipe, the company that owns it will push it. It will be something a bit different, easy to use in a range of offerings, and ideally it will be suited for using a lot of it in a fragrance. Iso-E Super is an example like that (or kinda calone before it). I don't know what the chemical is or what it will smell like, but you can bet that there will be one in the next 3-5 years with fragrances from it for 3-10 years after that.

    What olfactive area? I could see complex florals making a new push. In men's fragrance there are a couple in the designer area which are well regarded (with florals notes having significant prominence) and women's perfumes have always had a lot of florals, however the latest trend of gourmands (and to a lesser extent woodies) is going to run out. When it does, people will move back to more traditional perfume areas. If I were a perfume house, I'd have a couple easy wearing, light but interesting florals ready (not the sweet fruity florals of the 2000's).

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    "Oud Sport"


    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    Well we already have Oud & Oud by Cartier. Maybe... Oud & Oud & Oud




    Quote Originally Posted by Akahina View Post
    I don't think oud is going away. Nor do I think vetiver is going away, bergamot is going away or musc is going away. It's just another note perfumers will use.
    Agree. I don't think it's a "fad" - it's here to stay.



    Quote Originally Posted by Casts_by_fly View Post
    The next fad will depend on the next aromachemical coming down the pipeline.
    This. The next "big thing" may be something that no one has ever smelled before.
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    Celery, it must be your time soon.
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    Celery Intense Sport- YES! pluran's quote of Turin is priceless!!! Master-Classter may be on to something... Great responses, please keep them coming!

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    After the Oud fad dies out, then what?
    its not gonna happen, just blends will either get better or worse.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi View Post
    I am sure some humor awaits, but Black, then Intense, then Oud, then...
    Stuigi, a very good point for discussion indeed. Can't for the life of me believe this hasn't been explicitly discussed here before.

    Personally I think we are already in the post-oud era with reformulations of just about everything under the sun. I can't say it's a good thing, as many of you would agree here, but IFRA, EU or otherwise, the future for the time being looks to be "refreshed" fragrances or "botched" in other words.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    I think sandalwood is due for a (very welcome) comeback now that santalum album is commercially available again. Unless the twits in Brussels hear about it, of course.
    Amen to that!! It is really close (or reasonably close to my nose) to the Mysore stuff, so I hope it really does get used more and more.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Whatever it is, I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes! Always does.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Coriander. I do love a good coriander note.

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    When Old Spice, Brut, and Speed Stick beginning cashing in on Oud, that's when we'll know we are in the final days of Oud.
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    Here's a great blend

    Mothballs & Oud....
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    We've had whale "stuff" may be something related to fish (caviar)?
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    Stinky aged cheese

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    ".....IFRA is over. Now that we can stimulate olfactory cells directly with light, there’s no need for chemicals. At least, there hasn't been since 2013, when a group at the Media Lab (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, my current place of work) successfully replicated a convincing smell of bacon by shining light pulses at three different wavelengths.

    Three years later the technology was sufficiently advanced that perfumers were fooled about whether they were smelling rose oil or light. MIT Chemistry students were among the first to use the technology to identify and remember molecules by associating them with tunes. My son at age 10 smelled wintergreen in a cough drop and said, “Smoke and mint.” When he and his musically-minded sister arrived at MIT, they soon figured out the smoke and mint chords and learned to play them at different speeds—it turns out arpeggiato is best—until they got wintergreen.

    In 2019 at age 20 my son finished a degree in Optogenetic Engineering, while his sister’s third-year assignment at Juilliard was a 3-minute smell piece in which she starts out with a huge cluster chord that smells like wet dog and and one by one removes all the bad notes, ending with Jicky played pianissimo.

    To smell a perfume these days, all you do is spray a solution containing about 200 different harmless viruses up your nose. Each virus infects a different type of olfactory receptor and instructs it to make a particular protein, which pumps electric charge across the membrane when exposed to light of a particular color. After about 18 to 24 hours, the proteins are in place.

    You insert a small fiber optic into your nostril. It is connected to a small machine containing a dozen tunable lasers, which in turn is connected to your laptop and can read a variety of formats like .olf, .noz and .mp7. (Not familiar with them? You haven’t been paying attention.)

    I bought one of the early prototype machines and spent several months just going up and down the scale of molecular vibrations and endlessly playing Vince Guaraldi’s “Cast Your Fate to the Wind” (the second chord smells of lavender soap) on an iPad MIDI keyboard. That was a while ago. Now of course ITunes has a smellable books section, and you can visit the Osmothèque remotely.

    But the best things are completely new: the strange, stately harmonies of smell are now explored by a generation of “nazers,” a movement started in Paris around 2020 that soon took over the world. You are all familiar with their work, no need to go into it. I knew they were onto something when I smelled a piece by Calice Becker’s granddaughter that went from bread to nail varnish to curry in the opening bar. I am smelling her second album as I write....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    ".....IFRA is over. Now that we can stimulate olfactory cells directly with light, there’s no need for chemicals. At least, there hasn't been since 2013, when a group at the Media Lab (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, my current place of work) successfully replicated a convincing smell of bacon by shining light pulses at three different wavelengths.

    Three years later the technology was sufficiently advanced that perfumers were fooled about whether they were smelling rose oil or light. MIT Chemistry students were among the first to use the technology to identify and remember molecules by associating them with tunes. My son at age 10 smelled wintergreen in a cough drop and said, “Smoke and mint.” When he and his musically-minded sister arrived at MIT, they soon figured out the smoke and mint chords and learned to play them at different speeds—it turns out arpeggiato is best—until they got wintergreen.

    In 2019 at age 20 my son finished a degree in Optogenetic Engineering, while his sister’s third-year assignment at Juilliard was a 3-minute smell piece in which she starts out with a huge cluster chord that smells like wet dog and and one by one removes all the bad notes, ending with Jicky played pianissimo.

    To smell a perfume these days, all you do is spray a solution containing about 200 different harmless viruses up your nose. Each virus infects a different type of olfactory receptor and instructs it to make a particular protein, which pumps electric charge across the membrane when exposed to light of a particular color. After about 18 to 24 hours, the proteins are in place.

    You insert a small fiber optic into your nostril. It is connected to a small machine containing a dozen tunable lasers, which in turn is connected to your laptop and can read a variety of formats like .olf, .noz and .mp7. (Not familiar with them? You haven’t been paying attention.)

    I bought one of the early prototype machines and spent several months just going up and down the scale of molecular vibrations and endlessly playing Vince Guaraldi’s “Cast Your Fate to the Wind” (the second chord smells of lavender soap) on an iPad MIDI keyboard. That was a while ago. Now of course ITunes has a smellable books section, and you can visit the Osmothèque remotely.

    But the best things are completely new: the strange, stately harmonies of smell are now explored by a generation of “nazers,” a movement started in Paris around 2020 that soon took over the world. You are all familiar with their work, no need to go into it. I knew they were onto something when I smelled a piece by Calice Becker’s granddaughter that went from bread to nail varnish to curry in the opening bar. I am smelling her second album as I write....."

    Luca Turin

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    Sandalwood for sure.
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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    I think the savory smells of cooked meat: bacon, grilled or pan-seared steak, and the the byproducts of the Maillard reaction to create a new type of "gourmand" fragrance.

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    Default Re: After the Oud fad dies out, then what?

    Fruity woods!
    Right now there's a lot of spiced woods happening; woods with cardamom, nutmeg, pepper, cinnamon. I think we are going to see an attempt to sell fruits to men, and the way to do that is to blend mango, raspberry, plum and apricot with woods.
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    Neroli (just hoping, as I love fragrances with Neroli.

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