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    I'll start with a bit of background and then pose my question. I am reaching the limit for display of my fragrances in my recently redesigned bathroom. At approximately 140 bottles I will try to be content with my collection. Now to the specifics of my dilemma. I have room for five more bottles and I'm trying to decide what to get. I've already ordered by Killian Apple Brandy, and Creed's Vetiver Geranium, that leaves three more to choose. If I weren't so lazy I would attempt to list all the frags that I have, but I thought another approach might be easier and more interesting. I am curious what an ultra niche top ten list would look like from the well traveled Basenotes noses. Only requirement is nothing over $1,000 for 50ml. Hopefully, that won't be too much of a restriction. Thank in advance for the suggestions.

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    $1000? Apart from oud oils, I'm not sure there's anything > $1000. Therefore:

    JAR Eclair (or Bolt of Lightning): striking tuberose. Most other JARs would fit the bill (eg Jardenia cheese gardenia, Jarling heliotrope bomb, etc). This may actually get close to the limit, I believe it's under $1000, but only for 30ml. But it's very concentrated, and you only need a drop. The other JARs should be below the limit.

    Parfums MDCI: Enlevement au serail (sadly discontinued) or Promesse de l'aube. Superclassical.

    Lutens Sarrasins; one always needs a Lutens paris exclusive.

    Malle Portrait of a lady: sheer power.

    Amouage Gold man: power oriental. (but subject to testing. Amouage has reformulated most of the stuff).

    Of course, most BNers would not understand your problems. You can do what museums do. Keep a core of best of lot on constant display, and rotate the others, periodically moving some pieces into storage and bringing out others.

    cacio

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    Almost impossible for me but I'll give it a shot:

    Malle - Carnal Flower

    Clive Christian - No.1

    Mona Di Orio - Oud

    MDCI - Invasion Barbare

    LM - Hard Leather

    Cartier - L'Heure Fougueuse

    Franck Boclet - Incense

    Heeley - Sel Marin

    Montale - Santal De Mysore

    Olivier Durbano - Black Tourmaline
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    What does "ultra niche" mean?

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    I would add:

    Stephane Humbert Lucas 777 - Black Gemstone
    O'Driu - Supercilium
    Creed - Spice & Wood
    Xerjoff - Fars
    Neela Vermieire Creations - Trayee
    Neela Vermieire Creations - Bombay Bling
    Serge Lutens - Encens et Lavande
    April Aromatics - Precious Woods
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    1. Creed - Original Cologne
    2. Xerjoff - Nio
    3. Creed - Aventus
    4. The Different Company - De Bachmakov
    5. Dior - Homme Sport 2008
    6. Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver
    7. Montale - Aoud Legacy
    8. Dior - Homme Sport 2012
    9. Tom Ford - Rive d'Ambre
    10. Creed - Virgin Island Water

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    I just clicked on your thread and read your post.
    What a waste of time.
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    Snaggy1, that hurt.

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    I would define "ultra niche" as an uncommon niche, harder to find.

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    Cacio, rotating what is on display would be dangerous because there would be no limit to the number of frags that I acquire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophisticatedscent View Post
    I'll start with a bit of background and then pose my question. I am reaching the limit for display of my fragrances in my recently redesigned bathroom. At approximately 140 bottles I will try to be content with my collection. Now to the specifics of my dilemma. I have room for five more bottles and I'm trying to decide what to get. I've already ordered by Killian Apple Brandy, and Creed's Vetiver Geranium, that leaves three more to choose. If I weren't so lazy I would attempt to list all the frags that I have, but I thought another approach might be easier and more interesting. I am curious what an ultra niche top ten list would look like from the well traveled Basenotes noses. Only requirement is nothing over $1,000 for 50ml. Hopefully, that won't be too much of a restriction. Thank in advance for the suggestions.
    Dude, your asking about high end frags and you store them all in your BATHROOM?! Tsk! Tsk! That just wont do!!! I wouldn't do that to my collection...and most of them are under $40 a bottle. I'll have to remember not to swap with you!(not that I'd have anything of interest to you anyway.lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbz View Post
    Dude, your asking about high end frags and you store them all in your BATHROOM?!
    Eh ... I didn't want to be the first to say it, but...

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    Are you sure you want to display them? The last thing I'd want to do to my bottles is leave them exposed to light, and my collection is less than 1/3 the size of yours. I could see someone saving empty bottles for a display, but not bottles to wear. I have a wine rack to display bottles of wine, and that's bad too, but I go through them faster than average light can alter the wine, and the rack is placed somewhere that never ever sees direct sunlight.

    Food for thought.
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    LOL! It looks like all three of us were having the same thought at the same time
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    Quote Originally Posted by naylor View Post
    Eh ... I didn't want to be the first to say it, but...
    lol, well I just couldn't hold back any longer! I was thinking..."am I the only one who sees the elephant in the room here?!"

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    Wow - I didn't even catch that. Yeah, I wouldn't keep my bottle of Perry Ellis 360░ Red in the bathroom. And I wouldn't keep them "displayed" in any room - except a darkroom.
    Current Summer Favorites:

    1. Creed - Original Cologne
    2. Xerjoff - Nio
    3. Creed - Aventus
    4. The Different Company - De Bachmakov
    5. Dior - Homme Sport 2008
    6. Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver
    7. Montale - Aoud Legacy
    8. Dior - Homme Sport 2012
    9. Tom Ford - Rive d'Ambre
    10. Creed - Virgin Island Water

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    Guys, I was wondering if anyone would comment on where I had my collection. To put everyone at ease, the cabinets were built with a/c vents and they are not exposed to direct sunlight. I keep the frags at 68║-70║. No windows in the bathroom. Everyone take a deep breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbz View Post
    lol, well I just couldn't hold back any longer! I was thinking..."am I the only one who sees the elephant in the room here?!"
    Yeah, I was typing my comment while you were posting yours... and I was being gentle about it because I thought "Am I really the only one who wouldn't store his fragrances this way?!" If the average price paid per bottle is $100, which could be unrealistically low if enough of them are niche - especially hard to find niche - it's a collection that cost $14,000 to build. Leaving it exposed to light doesn't seem wise. Rather than spending $1000 on a display, he'd be better off spending that money on 10ml bottles to decant plus some sort of cooler to properly store the rest - unless he has a cool basement.

    EDITED since the OP added a comment above. How much light does your bathroom still see? You said there's no direct sunlight, but still... overhead lights are light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sophisticatedscent View Post
    Guys, I was wondering if anyone would comment on where I had my collection. To put everyone at ease, the cabinets were built with a/c vents and they are not exposed to direct sunlight. I keep the frags at 68║-70║. No windows in the bathroom. Everyone take a deep breath.
    Well, I wouldn't keep my niche collection exposed to any light at all, let alone sunlight. And bathrooms can heat up substantially when a shower is running. But if you're comfortable with it, then by all means, carry on. I just wouldn't risk my $30k+ collection like that.

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    None of the built in overhead lights shine in the cabinet. Lights are on less than an hour per day. I, also took temperature measurements when I had the shower on and temperature never went above 70║ in the cabinet.

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    This is my last comment on the matter. I just want to make sure you're thinking this through.

    140 bottles.
    There are 365 days in a year.
    Let's say you get up every day, take a shower and apply a fragrance. And each evening, you apply a different fragrance. That means, 730 times a year, you apply one of your fragrances, assuming you never skip days to wear samples.

    That means, you wear each fragrance an average of less than SIX TIMES A YEAR!!! It's actually 5.214 times per year - thank my calculator. Your collection will last a lifetime even if you never make another fragrance purchase ever, and when you die, you can will the collection to someone else and it'll probably last their entire lifetime too. The question is, are you storing it in a way that will stand up to the test of time? Or even a decade or two?
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    I agree that 140 bottles is considerably more than I need. This seems to be a fairly common problem on this forum. As to where I store them, I enjoy looking at them in the morning when getting ready for the day. I realize I am taking a risk, but I have tried to minimize it by how the cabinet was constructed and where in the bathroom it is located. If I was wrong, then I will be a bit annoyed.

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    Most bners, including myself, fail to see a danger in acquiring more and more perfumes, nor would they consider it problem to have more than could ever be used. In fact, some, including myself, check ebay (or the few remaining vintage stores) for the stuff that's left after previous accumulators die.

    Nonetheless, it seems a good occasion to splurge on something. Either ultraniche, or a fancy extrait version, possibly with beautiful bottles (how about a Vol de nuit extrait in the helix bottle? Or snatch one of the remaining Lubin Idole edt?)

    cacio

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophisticatedscent View Post
    I'll start with a bit of background and then pose my question. I am reaching the limit for display of my fragrances in my recently redesigned bathroom. At approximately 140 bottles I will try to be content with my collection. Now to the specifics of my dilemma. I have room for five more bottles and I'm trying to decide what to get. I've already ordered by Killian Apple Brandy, and Creed's Vetiver Geranium, that leaves three more to choose. If I weren't so lazy I would attempt to list all the frags that I have, but I thought another approach might be easier and more interesting. I am curious what an ultra niche top ten list would look like from the well traveled Basenotes noses. Only requirement is nothing over $1,000 for 50ml. Hopefully, that won't be too much of a restriction. Thank in advance for the suggestions.
    Put em in a box. You'll have a lot more room. Good to have em away from light anyway.

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    I appreciate all the suggestions, even the ones questioning the sanity of where my collection is kept.

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    Since this thread has morphed into "how to protect your fragrances from harm over time", has there been any definitive conclusions? When I've done searches, there is general consensus that heat and/or light harm fragrances. Where there is disagreement is how much heat, is it variations or prolonged contact. Same is true with light, then the added element of what type of light potentially harms a fragrance. Also, what is the greater risk to fragrances, heat or light? Lastly,I always worry about consensus in lieu of science, since feelings or opinions don't matter when talking about issues that are firmly rooted in the hard sciences.

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    Can we have a little peek at your lovely new redesigned bathroom perfume display?
    Currently wearing: Civet by Houbigant

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    Get a Krigler. Established Cognac, Lovely Patchouli Nights, etc. I think you can only find them in their online store and one location in New York for sure.

    Or, and I know this is way out there, get something bespoke. As the Doors say, "5 to 1".

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    Roja Dove- Diaghilev
    Puredistance- M
    HOM- Black Bird
    MDCI- Invasion Barbare
    Xerjoff- Homme
    Amouage- Jubilation XXV
    Olivier Durbano- Black Tourmaline Extrait
    Chanel- Bois des Illes Parfum
    Chanel- Sycomore
    Guerlain- Jicky EDP

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    Amouage Interlude
    Memiors of a Tresspasser
    SDV
    Creed Windsor to name a few.

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    The osmotheque (the perfume repository in versailles) keeps their perfumes at 12C, in the dark, and in argon filled bottles (so that oxygen doesn't touch the liquid). So I'm assuming these are the optimal preservation conditions.

    I don't have scientific sources about the extent of damage caused by these factors. People had perfumes ruined in matter of weeks by sunlight or extreme heat (eg leaving a perfume in hot cars). And sometimes the perfume kept under those very warm display lights in certain stores seem a bit off already there. So I'd assume that direct sunlight and extreme heat should be avoided at all cost. Regular temperatures (say < 100F) and some room lights probably cause damage very slowly over the course of decades. Many of us have perfumes bought on the web that still smell decent despite their age, and they were certainly not store in osmotheque-style conditions. Still, almost all pre-70s vintage stuff that has not been kept in ideal conditions smells somewhat off.

    Remember also that some notes go off more quickly (citrus, aldehydes), others survive a long time (patch, woods, in general base notes).

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