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    Much appreciated Grant. Thanks!
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    The newest PD thread shows that posting a link to this thread is, unfortunately, useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30 Roses View Post
    The newest PD thread shows that posting a link to this thread is, unfortunately, useless.
    The newest thread, http://www.basenotes.net/threads/394...49#post3310149, shows that many are aware of why the expression should not be used, but it's not realistic that every member know about it (yet), so threads like this will pop up every now and then. The rate is going down, though, and through discussion in the thread that was started even more members will be educated. All in all, I think we are making progress.
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    furrypine, l agree that progress is being made, & it's nice to see so many male posters helpfully pointing out to the OP the error of his ways. But it's also clear from that thread that there are some who simply refuse to understand why the expression is so objectionable. l hope that extra efforts are being made on the part of the mods to help them understand.
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    These "queries" need to be directed to the stickie that deals with this age-old issue. It seems to be the same thing over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teardrop View Post
    But it's also clear from that thread that there are some who simply refuse to understand why the expression is so objectionable.
    Youths' typical stubbornness or rebellious streak perhaps? I agree it is indeed exasperating. Since when did YouTube uploads become the gold standard for socially accepted behaviour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    These "queries" need to be directed to the stickie that deals with this age-old issue. It seems to be the same thing over and over.
    Yes, it's repetitious. Reading stickies and reams of rules before posting is a thing of the past. People just want to jump right in and start conversations and learn as they go.
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    Keeping high standards is always what makes this place amazing. Good job Grant!

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    Good point, Supergirl. Some people think we are just being hyper-sensitive. There is no excuse for this kind of blatent sexism in our "community". If some are unhappy about it, maybe they'd be happier elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kumquat View Post
    There is no excuse for this kind of blatent sexism in our "community". If some are unhappy about it, maybe they'd be happier elsewhere.

    +1. It enriches the community having both sexes participating comfortably on ALL forums and anything that jeopardizes that can only be counter productive. You certainly aren't being hyper-sensitive and there is no excuse for it whatsoever, especially when so many people (including Grant) have already made their feelings perfectly clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JON RODGERS View Post
    +1. It enriches the community having both sexes participating comfortably on ALL forums and anything that jeopardizes that can only be counter productive. You certainly aren't being hyper-sensitive and there is no excuse for it whatsoever, especially when so many people (including Grant) have already made their feelings perfectly clear.
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    All these "go-arounds"-- the use of ### and p4nt y to avoid spelling it out -- are evidence that the posters don't "get it" yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supergirl View Post
    The rate is not going down. We are not making progress.

    Colin Maillard, Wheatstraw2, Rüssel and SmellyFinger made these comments within the
    past several days. They were aware this language is no longer tolerated. They persisted.

    Ban them until they apologize to Basenotes community.
    Yes it is really sad to see this. I'm pretty sure we lost more than a couple of fine well respected members over the years who got tired of seeing this happen over and over again and just decided to walk away.

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    Terms that are disrespectful are not less disrespectful when abbreviated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supergirl View Post
    The rate is not going down. We are not making progress.

    Colin Maillard, Wheatstraw2, Rüssel and SmellyFinger made these comments within the
    past several days. They were aware this language is no longer tolerated. They persisted.

    Ban them until they apologize to Basenotes community.
    Instances should be reported to the moderators, and we will take care of the rest. How do you know who apologises or not? That happens behind the scenes. I think it's worrying that this thread is turning into a public shaming of other members. I see no community spirit at all in that sort of behaviour.
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    Welcome to Basenotes Supergirl. Basenotes is a great place to discuss fragrance. I hope you have an interest in doing that. I ask because at this point, I'm wondering if your only interest is in giving the moderation team a hard time.
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    The mods are few, and are volunteers with private lives of their own-- we cannot expect immediate responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supergirl View Post
    The rate is not going down. We are not making progress.

    Colin Maillard, Wheatstraw2, Rüssel and SmellyFinger made these comments within the
    past several days. They were aware this language is no longer tolerated. They persisted.

    Ban them until they apologize to Basenotes community.
    We have a small moderation team, who do an amazing job. You can help us by reporting threads, that do not meet our guidelines. This kind of pseudo-moderating doesn't help and just creates further work.

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    Terms that are disrespectful are not less disrespectful when abbreviated.
    This is the point here. Using abbreviations or synonyms kind of defeats what this is about.

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    Thank you Grant. Being openly confrontational only serves to fuel an already emotive fire. If anything inappropriate arises either reply with a polite reference to this thread or hit the report button. The mods do a terrific job under difficult circumstances and a united front still represents the best way forward. Let's work together.

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    I think this is a sensible decision on the part of Basenotes.

    Out of curiosity, Grant, did you receive complaints about the term from any members?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aromaphile View Post
    I think this is a sensible decision on the part of Basenotes.

    Out of curiosity, Grant, did you receive complaints about the term from any members?
    I can answer for the mod team: Many, many complaints.
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    The scent of respect is attractive to all genders.

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    I'm glad to see this topic Grant, for I too have found the use of the term vulgar and only serves to attract those who enjoy indulging in it.

    I think it's a good idea to institute a phrase swap to something benign. And, add a few of the circumventing attempts to that as well.

    If a person attempts to use the word, finds that it gets swapped to something else and they seek a different variation, they should be delivered a clearly detailed warning message and then banned if there is a failure to comply. Such individuals are probably not the kind members Basenotes wants around anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furrypine View Post
    I can answer for the mod team: Many, many complaints.
    Geez. I'm not surprised.

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    Thank you Grant for keeping Basenotes a class act!!!
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    Well said Grant
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    )Double post)
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    It is a fact that BN is an English site that is the property of a British subject, so rules are set according to the owner's country local usages and his criteria.






    Now, I feel I might may clear out the reasons behind my reply to the latest discussion on this subject: Since it has been closed, I am forced to do it here.






    The term is derogatory in your context. In our case, it is so ludicrous it won't be taken seriously, thus, it is ground for scorn. People would take it as idiotic, thus not worth of censorship and dully ignored.






    As to women being objectified, they are being so in pornography. However freedom of speech is behind the reason it is legal... but the term (an idiotic one) is censored. Men are objectified too, in pornography and in ad campaigns: take Axe's / Ego campaign; it has been signalled as insulting for women... Untill a local sociologists (a male one) noted that men were depicted as sexual idiots. The discussion ended abruptly (Unilever kept airing it until global decided it was too much, but consumers did not care).






    Thus in some cultures this would not merit deep considerations.






    Be aware we are far from being a machist country: we have a female president, 1/3 of our representatives in Parliament are females and in some departments of national universities women rule (Humanities is a good example of that). However, we praised beautiful women clad in such a fashion they will show their beauty in a quite erotic way (think of Italy).






    Still, sorry if I hurt fellow members. I just wanted to explain the context under which my reply was given.






    I can't discuss as to the vulgarity of the term since being my mother language Spanish, I am lost in translation - insults don't have for us the same connotations they have in English speaking countries. Add to this that profanity is not socially censored as in the USA, to the point polite speech is considered snobbish (mainly due to our country's worker origin - the massive amount of migrants arriving from Europe's poor countries during the turn of the XIX / XX century were non qualified workers and country people).



    Sorry, again, if I hurt you, and thanks for your understanding.






    Thanks for your understanding.
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