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    I get a kind of oud "after image" that may be what you refer to. Usually when transitioning from indoors to outdoors, but not weeks after applying it or anything. So, I smell an oud indoors intensely for a long time, become anosmic to it practically - I am surrounded by it - then I walk outside and the clean fresh air, in its ABSENCE of that oud smell, creates a sensation of that very oud in an intense way. Again, like a visual afterimage.

    I also find the aromas of some oils act almost like complimentary colors and intensify the scent of certain ouds. There have been times I have applied some rose, and suddenly an oud I applied earlier in the day just sings out in response to the wash of rose aroma.

    I wish I had the phantom oud smell, though. Now THAT would stretch my oud budget considerably. I would be picky though - no phantom Ham Firl $25 Assam, please. Just phantom UNS Borneo select. :o)

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    "Lots of herbs, vetiver, patchouli...... TOBACCO. Yep."

    Taha - something I struggle with due to my limited oud experience: how does one know when smelling such notes that they are from the oud itself, and not from added oils or attempts to stretch oud? I sniff one of my Meraukes, and I am not sure if it is natural, or if that slight patchouli note is ACTUALLY a little patchouli. Honestly, I have the same doubt about those ouds that have such a strong tobacco note. I wish I could tell the real oil from that which has been adjusted. I am going to guess that part of your answer will be about relationships with producers and trust...

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    Well I have dug into my little collection of samples and have applied two indian ouds:

    1) Oudhasi's Assam 15 year old
    2) (I *think* its Taha's) Hindi but I don't know which one.

    I've had these two oils applied for a couple hours I guess. At first they both come off very "fecal/barnyardy" but the assault on my nose has gradually subsided. They smell smokey and salty, but the Hindi much more so. And something else I can't quite put my finger on. Barbeque-y. The oudhasi is a bit more mellow. I only applied a tiny amount. At first they smelled pretty much the same but over time the oudhasi has moved a little bit more towards "unisex" while the Hindi (i wish i knew which one) remains in its original state so to speak with the dairy farm smell having nearly burned off. I say "dairy farm" just to not be too repetitive but I mean "f/b"...

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    I'll be honest, hindi is still not my bag. But I've noticed that these have evolved over past few weeks as the first time I applied them I wondered why would anyone pay to smell like this? Definitely an indoor oil in my case. I wonder if these ouds might actually have an affect on ones appetite (as I've heard some essential oils can)...wouldn't be surprised to hear that indian ouds are either appetite supressig or stimulating.

    By the way, its nice to see that the compartementalizing of the threads has brought some of the old regulars back Wog and bluemoon. I don't have much to contribute here in terms of the greater oud education and so I'm a bit of a fish out of water. These and an Oriscents Malay Royale sample are the extent of my pure oud collection though I hope it might grow soon. I also have Sharif's Prince Bandahar (or Bandhar?), KF and PD which I already mentioned and some others that would better be discussed on the other thread(s).

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    "And, I can smell the same oil a week apart and I pick up notes I didn't before, or can't smell something I was sure was obvious the last time [snip] I really wonder if I'd smell the same notes today. Maybe the oil has developed, maybe the oils I've smelled in the intervening months have affected my perceptions, perhaps my body chemistry is altered etc."

    These are really, really important points to keep in mind when discussing ouds or evaluating them. I have found my reaction to change DRASTICALLY over time. All of these are very real in oud perception. If I had to pick I would say the biggest switcheroos in my impressions of oils has been due to the experience of additional oils over time. My reaction to what I had dismissed as cheap Indonesian oud from Magnifincense, for example, has completely changed since purchasing a few Malinau oils. Some of those oils were FANTASTIC, but I could not appreciate them at the time.

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    In the same vein I have gone back to an oil months later and have been amazed how bad it smells. The agarscents assam #3 is one example.

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    Yeh my agarscents Combodi Classic aged for the worse

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    The Oud that I've had the least consistent reaction to is AO's Shuyoukh (Cambodian/Malyasian blend). One day it seems to incorporate the best of both its parents, and the next I smell nothing but decomposed rot. I wonder if it's because on some days notes that compliment each other stand out, and on others an unfortunate combination of notes emerges.

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    I think I mentioned before that Shoyoukh is a lot like a "Malaysian Dark" sold by Magnifincencense (but the AO seems more refined). I know EXACTLY what you mean about the jeckle-and-hyde that type of oil presents. My version (Magnifincense) has a wonderful oudy dry down IF I can stomach the first hour of its development. Some days its first hours are revolting; on others it... well it doesn't delight, but it isn't disgusting either.

    By the way: I am REALLY missing Magnifincense. Their stuff was a gamble, but well worth it. Their $40 - $60 1/4 tolas were at times some beauties I have realized. I know we all like the top-shelf, high priced, exclusive vetted ouds, but I miss the lottery of those cheap ouds.

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    Here's the rub: So I revisit an oil after a year off. It smells worse, or better. How do I know if the oil has changed, or if I have changed, or both? Experience I guess, but still... there's some kind of philosophical paradox here that someone with a better tuned mind than mine can perhaps elucidate. I am certain that a huge part of scent perception is cognitive, not sensory, and so I know that changes in perception are as likely to be due to changes in my nervous system as they are to changes external to myself... can this be sorted out? Does it matter, as long as I am having fun?

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    Quote from Igor01,

    "Here's a weird one - has anybody else experienced "phantom oud smells"? Kinda like "phantom pain" from amputated limbs (speaking hypothetically, all my limbs are intact), in short - a sensation that shouldn't be there since I'm not wearing any oud at the time, on my skin or clothes. This is how it works - sometimes when I am not wearning any ould (but jonesing to) something triggers a recognition process in my brain and I can swear I am smelling a particularly enticing aspect of an oil I am dying to smell! It doesn't last long but I get a few bursts of almost photorealistic sensation of say "just applied Thaqeel and went outside" experience. Should I get my head examined? "

    Continued ...

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    Wow I guess I'm not the only who experiences this as well lol! Yeah Igor01, I too sometimes experience this (very rarely though)! Like just about half an hour ago, when I left my bedroom and headed out to the family room, I could have sworn I smelt Thaqeel on my long sleeved shirt which mind you, I never applied any Oud to. It was like a burst of Oud, clearly distinguishable as if I actually had it on, even though I didn't. Very uplifting in some wierd way as it sort of makes you wonder, did I apply Oud today? Even if you didn't, you can still always enjoy the smell of it hehehe :)

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    MrP: My mind is more flat than sharp so I can't answer your question, but I'll ask another. How would experience help? Without doing a chemical analysis of the oil there's no way of knowing whether it changed, and although our bodies change due to physical and "emotional" developments, how can we know if they change in a way that effects our perceptions of a scent? Does it matter? Well if enough people told me that the cheapest ouds on the market are, in fact, the most beautiful and I started to perceive them that way, I'd save a walloping amount of cash ;-)

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    A couple more hours and both ouds have evolved for the better. The oudhasi that means its more powdery, subtle while the hindi has more longevity though it too has lost all of the fecal/barnyard notes to it...just retains a smokiness/spicyness. I think the latter is more "linear" I guess you'd call it. I expect by the morning the oudhasi will have begun to give way to an ever so slight sweet aroma. We shall see.

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    I was told by one of my friend's that when Oud touches your skin it changes the scent. I was told to not allow the dipstick to touch your skin when applying any Oud oil. I enquired as to how can we apply the oil without allowing the applicator wand to touch our skin? I was then told to allow a drop to form on the applicator wand and then allow the drop to fall onto your skin. The reason being, because if you allow the applicator wand to touch your skin, you will notice over time that the Oud in the bottle, will change for the worse.

    Does this hold merit with anyone?

    To me, it sort of does seem like it may be plausible?

    From personal experience, the smell of Thaqeel from the bottle smells different to that of when it is applied to my skin.

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    Bluemoon - I guess just in experiencing how my taste for oud changes over the years for many different oils, I might gain the wisdom to recognize a spoiled or deteriorated oil. I don't know, to be honest.

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    Thanks for the clarification, MrP.

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    Bluemoon- Do you have any notes on Taha's Cambohi Calambac? I would love to hear your notes on it....that is one of the most complex ouds I have ever smelled in my young oud sniffing days.....it starts out with like a smooth chocolatey note....then starts to get spicy before it smooths out again. I love how much that one changes.I smell so many things in this I cant even describe it.....chcolate spice fruit nuts.....I love it.

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    Tried the WNF vintage Indian again last night. The top note is so pungent and leathery - not fecal or barnyard at all, and it dries down to something really nice. Very unusual oil - I found it repulsive at first but it is growing on me. After the top note fades, it is hard to stop smelling.

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    I know nobody around me likes the fecal notes....but I kinda like em....I mean for a short time till it tranforms.

    I agree with wog on that agarscent hindi #3 I have a sample of it and its just gross....and as time goes by it just gets grosser....and I love hindi's!

    mrP what is WNF....that indian sounds good where do I get some? I think I am going to start getting some different indians from everywhere...its my favorite.....I love how most of them drydown.

    would you say indian is one end of the spectrum and sweet indo's are the other end? they are so different. everything else kinda fits in the middle.

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    Agarscents Hindi #3 (grade 3) is a low quality Oud ... I guess that can be seen in the price as well. Dred, you should try his Hindi Moattaq, you can purchase 1ml of it and it is really, really nice! Definately high quality stuff. I'm pretty sure you will love it!

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    I go to bed and wake up to you getting all fascinating on me! Love this discussion! Back to reading...

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    In my humble opinion, Agarscents Hindi #3 is better as a blending oud. I do not enjoy it neat, but blended it smells really good. If I may add, I have blended it successfully with some Amouage Homage and another vial with some Rose e/o, sandalwood and musk.

    I do enjoy Agaraura's Indian Spice neat though.

    I completely believe the mind is capable of having phantom oud experiences. I can't wait to have few myself. As others have said, make mine the good stuff, please.

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    In terms of oud spoiling over time, at least two changes are possible. One being chemical change such as oxidation (possibly the change that is associated in sunning) and another may be degradation by bacterial enzymes (that would lead to a putrid smell). I dont have the references available but remember reading somewhere that oud does not support bacterial growth. Also, does anybody know an oil that changed for the worse by sunning?

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    Here's the Oud I am referring to Dred,

    http://www.agarscentsbazaar.com/serv...taq-1ml/Detail

    From what I understand about Agarscents Hindi Ouds, their is grade 3 then grade 2 then grade 1 and then the very best is Hindi Moattaq.

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    Yeah wog, actually I do to be honest. My Merauke Oud went from bad to extremely bad when I decided to sun the oil for about 3 weeks ... at the end it was so horrible, that you just could not even smell it anymore!

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    Oudline's Malinau- Since there seemed to be some doubt as to the provenance of this oil I contacted the distiller. Here's his reply:
    "The JN-KM6057500 [the Malinau] is an oil as per i said is 100% from Malinau. we dont deal with Berau oil because it is not as much sweet & smooth as the Malinau oil & also lasting is not so much. Tanjung selor's most of the raw materials are from Malinau & no much oil producing activities there. i think around 2 or 3 person only dealing with this items."

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    Dred- as person whose love affair with Thaqeel has been so intense and of such long duration, my perceptions of Taha's Calambac are probably pretty skewed. I remember it's being one of the most complex of the samples, and one which went through the greatest development, with a heavy emphasis on sweet fruitiness (as in raisins, not tropicals).

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    Ahh, thanks for clearing that up Blue.
    Yeah Berau was just a guess precisely because of what Mr. Kamal mentioned about Malinau being sweeter and smoother. The new Malinau was not sweet/smooth enough to my nose, and thus smelled more Berau to me.
    The previous MLN oil had a more Malinau character in comparison.

    Of course Berau and Malinau are very close to each other, and (like MrP earlier alluded to) it's silly to think that smells obey lines on a map. : P

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    I HAVE to try Thaqeel!!!! I cant believe ASAQs $200 per 1/4 are barely even oud.....yet thaqeel is all that and then some! I have to try this....another question came into mind this morning....how can they mass produce thaqeel? once they make a batch of oud isnt that one batch going to be pretty unique....even if they use the same wood and same distilation on the next batch? Is thaqeel pure oud? I am just doubting the other ASAQ cambodhis are. guess I am going to have to save up and get some.

    acer -$179 for 1ml of that hindi!!! thats almost thaqeel money! it better be good! lol




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