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    Default Re: What Oud/Mukhallat are you wearing today?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Hindi oud is the most challenging and funky of all the ouds. Depending on the producer it can have overtones of stinky feet, cheese, burnt notes, manure. Most definitely not an oud for novices. If you smelled a well distilled Vietnamese or Borneo oil, you would be feeling differently I suspect.
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    Yeah this is spot on! Chinese, Cambodian and Thais are straight up beautiful. Zaza Zen is a great introduction to oud. Hindi’s are extremely challenging even when they’re done really well.
    Nope, this is spot off! Many generalize Hindi oils, and in fact every other region, based on the few they've smelled, then righting them all off, expecting the rest to be a certain way, or avoiding a region based on that; wrong. With no real thought I can name 10 Hindi oils that have zero to do with manure, barn, burnt, feet, cheese, fecal, or whatever. Furthermore, someone new to oud may love a cheesy, barny, feety, animalic one, while another who has known oud 50+ years may never like that type, or any other specific oil or profile.
    1. Agar Aura Nashila
    2. Agar Aura Chamkiela
    3. Agar Aura Shano Shokat
    4. Agar Aura Hindustan 1
    5. Agar Aura Basic Hindi
    6. Agar Aura ZBH, etc.
    7. Ensar Oud Assam 3000
    8. Ensar Oud Isa
    9. Ensar Oud Yoshi, etc.
    10. Imperial Oud Bahadur
    11. Imperial Oud Shah Jahan
    12. Several I've smelled from Agarwood Assam and at least 5 from Tajul Bakshi @ Assam Aromas, etc.

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    Looks like you are experiencing the very Zenith of agarwood oils, pearl. I am not blessed with the broad experience that you have. Fortunately you are here to set us all straight. I agree that in the luxury oud market anything goes as far as an oil from a particular region. That doesn’t surprise me. In my limited experience with something closer to the bottom end of the market, the Hindi ouds tend to be the most fermented and stinky. Bad luck I guess. I feel like this is the case with some of the samples I have sniffed from better vendors - nothing kicks the barn like a Hindi oud. You haven’t experience this at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Fortunately you are here to set us all straight.
    That's funny

    My point is about generalizing region, it's better to consider the individual oil by looking at the notes. I've smelled barn, fermented, etc. oils and some were Hindi. It's not about which end of the market, some oils I listed were >$1k/3g and the ones from Assam Aromas were $360-380/tola (~12g).

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    Ok. In my experience the Hindi ouds kick the barn like no other region. Again I ask you: does this differ from your experience? I believe the answer is yes

    So now I have to reconcile this incorrect experience with the true nature of agarwood as revealed by you. I have come to guess that maybe Aquilaria agallocha does some funny stuff when fermented compared to crassna, malaccensis, etc.. no doubt this is way off, and I await my schooling! It also occurred to me that maybe there is a tradition of producing certain notes through fermentation to appeal to the Middle Eastern market, and these notes become associated with Hindi oud. I’m dwelling on this because my experience is pretty clear-cut as far as this goes and I’m trying to figure out what the cause might be if it’s not inherent to the region. One other thing: I have experience just as much funk in other regions but it’s a different kind of funk. In the agarwood oil that I have the funky ones that are not Hindi don’t really have any of that barn and leather note, they have more of a stagnant water swampy type of fermented note. And then some others go kind of cheesy. I have smelled swampy and cheesy from all regions including Vietnam and Cambodia which I often (erroneously?) think of is being associated with sweeter ouds. Actually I have also smelled the barn note in agarwood from Bangladesh as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Ok. In my experience the Hindi ouds kick the barn like no other region. Again I ask you: does this differ from your experience? I believe the answer is yes

    So now I have to reconcile this incorrect experience with the true nature of agarwood as revealed by you. I have come to guess that maybe Aquilaria agallocha does some funny stuff when fermented compared to crassna, malaccensis, etc.. no doubt this is way off, and I await my schooling! It also occurred to me that maybe there is a tradition of producing certain notes through fermentation to appeal to the Middle Eastern market, and these notes become associated with Hindi oud. I’m dwelling on this because my experience is pretty clear-cut as far as this goes and I’m trying to figure out what the cause might be if it’s not inherent to the region. One other thing: I have experience just as much funk in other regions but it’s a different kind of funk. In the agarwood oil that I have the funky ones that are not Hindi don’t really have any of that barn and leather note, they have more of a stagnant water swampy type of fermented note. And then some others go kind of cheesy. I have smelled swampy and cheesy from all regions including Vietnam and Cambodia which I often (erroneously?) think of is being associated with sweeter ouds. Actually I have also smelled the barn note in agarwood from Bangladesh as well.
    Mr.P my experience aligns very much with Pearls. In my opinion the barn note is more about distillation technique than region or species. For example I consider Feel Oud's 777 to be a barny oil with similar notes to what you would call hindi oils yet it is from a Crassna tree from Thailand. I would recommend sampling from a broad range and forgetting some common myths around oud smells per region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Ok. In my experience the Hindi ouds kick the barn like no other region. Again I ask you: does this differ from your experience? I believe the answer is yes

    So now I have to reconcile this incorrect experience with the true nature of agarwood as revealed by you.
    Mr.P the most barn, fermented oils I've smelled were IO's Sasong Sungsud, a Laotian, EO's Zachariyya, which IIRC was Burmese, one of EO's Chinese that I can't recall the name, and a private distiller Chinese. Would it be fair or correct for me to make a blanket statement that Laotian or Chinese oils are the most barn, fermented? I'm not trying to reconcile your experience, I believe you if you say the most barn oils you've smelled are Hindi . I want to dispel the generalization that makes many new to oud or never tried a Hindi avoid Hindi oils or feel like, as you said, Hindi oils are not for novices when the fact is Hindi oils can be sweet, lemony, and vanillic; skanky, fermented, and everything in between. It depends on the individual oil, not the region.

    Some say that Hindi wood that is barn, fermented inherently when heated exist, I can't challenge that, I can only say I've not smelled ANY wood that was that way when heated. They say Hindi wild wood is rare, so one that is barn, fermented when heated must be much more rare and with the number of barn, fermented oils, I'd have to say it's more about distillation/soak parameters than something inherent to ANY wood.

    It's also interesting that you say it may be something with Aquilaria Agallocha that's different from crassna, malaccensis, etc. I had a convo with a hunter friend about species and he said the trees aren't labelled and the hunters he knows don't speak Latin, they go in and indiscriminately harvest what's harvestable, then come out, clean and separate by grade at most. You may have read a wiki quote that said A. Agallocha has been found in India and assumed that any agarwood found in India is A. Agallocha. It's the equivalent of saying Valencia oranges were found in Florida then assuming all oranges found in Florida are Valencia; it's wrong. How do you know that the barn Hindis you smelled were not from crassna or any other species? Have you ever had any oil that the raw materials were verified to be a certain species, verified by DNA barcoding, cell and leaf morphology, etc.? If not, then it's just a guess. Dr. Rozi Mohamed one of the leading authorities on agarwood with nearly 100 published research studies and editor of the book Agarwood: Science behind the Fragrance has discussed ad nauseum the difficulty of species identification through scientific methods. Not to mention the exponential difficulty of being able to do it by visual indicators, which takes years of experience and familiarity with known and proven species as a reference and is still not an exacting process. We have some in the community who've never been in a jungle, never seen a standing agarwood tree, didn't see the wood used for distill, etc. yet they claim to be able to know the species from smelling the oil; huge bull manure. Poorly misinformed about agarwood to say the least and way overzealous about their abilities and knowledge based on the misinformation.

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    Eh doesn’t matter

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    Wearing two generous swipes of Feel Oud Bengal Royale today.
    It is very spice heavy with a base of pure hindi leather/barnyardy stank.
    The saffron and cumin up top are kept from ever becoming too sharp as the seem to be infused with a nice dark chocolate note (one which is supported by the chewy tobacco underneath.)
    When you first apply it you are almost knocked off your feet by a strong Laphroaig smoky/spicy quality which quickly vanishes into the more leathery base from which the spices pop as if seeds on a fire.
    Truly amazing.
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    Zaza Zen by Ensar Oud. A very very enjoyable, easy-going cultivated Thai oud. I love it. It is also priced so well.

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    For me my mukhallat of the day is Ward attar by Al Shareef. This is just an amazing blend - very primal and showcasing individual ingredients like saffron, rose, sandalwood and real musk while also being a very balanced blend. The oil goes through stages - balanced saffron shamama rose top, a very sweet and jam-like rose heart that emerges surprisingly; then the musk kicks in and creates a strange sweet harmony. This is great stuff - really impressive blend.




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