Bond No 9 - I'm currently wondering what makes BN9 a niche house. The only thing about them thats niche is their price point and high concentrations. Why do we still group them with niche?
Creed - I absolutely consider them niche. They have quality ingredients, regardless of variations. I could be wrong but I don't think they have any bad batches.
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Sure. Why not? But this all comes down to the arguably redundant question of what is the definition of niche which has been well covered in many threads in the past.
So to put the question back to you, why wouldn't you consider them niche?
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Yes, they're both niche.
The definition of niche is quite varied. Here in the US, the distribution has become broad enough that it may go into luxury rather than niche. I'm sure the preference for Bond vs Creed varies by person. Bond was started by a Creed distributor who noticed Creed's marketing genius and replicated.
Yes. Bond no 9 has a designer aesthetic, but it is still considered niche.
They're both niche. No doubt.
Well, I think no matter how you [sensibly] define "niche", yes. Both are niche.
Unless your definition is "I don't like it so it's not niche"
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2. by Kilian - Straight to Heaven
3. Creed - Aventus
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Yes. A niche company in any business is one that specializes in one area. In fragrance, niche houses specialize in fragrance such as perfume or candles, where as designer brands have many areas of products and are therefor, not niche.
Yes, they are niche....although both are what I consider a "friendly" niche house. Meaning that most offerings are "safe" for the most part and liked my many. The scents smell good to the masses still and not "challenging" or strange to non-frag heads.
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Yes. I think Creed is the most popular niche fragrances out there.
in NYC where I live I reckon that they are both available in over 100 outlets. moreover, both are being counterfeited, suggesting more widespread appeal and name brand recognition among the teeming masses. (they are more or less the equivalent of Coach in luxury leather goods.) a random waft of Aventus on the street or in a restaurant or in a business meeting is hardly a rarity. maybe there should be a new classification: Ubiquitous Niche
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yes and yes.
As an official Bond No. 9 fan boy I again wonder why so many here have such things to say about Bond. Have you tried many fragrances from their line for yourself? If not, why question their niche appeal? Price point isn't really a problem for those that find their way here because rarely should one pay retail for things that can be purchased online. Bond is definitely niche based on their fragrance line up just as other houses are, price point does not make a fragrance niche. They have hits and misses as every house does enjoy the ones you like and bypass the others. I don't care for Azure Lime by Tom Ford makes a great line up nonetheless.
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6. Straight to Heaven
7. MFK APOM
8. Tuscan Leather
9. Grey Vetiver EdP
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11. Cafe Rose
12. MFK Oud
13. Millesime Imperial
14. Terre d' Hermes parfum
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Yes for both
Creed- definitely, Bond No. 9- too little experience with this house to say either way, but on a first impression-yes
To me, there are many different ways a fragrance could be considered niche: it is very expensive, it contains rare ingredients, it contains high quality ingredients, it is hard to find (sold only in a few places), it smells unique, it is an acquired taste (or smell), it is by a company that only makes fragrances, it is made for its artistry without concern of its commercial appeal, etc.
A brand fitting any one of these qualities could claim to be niche, in my opinion.
No, Creed is everywhere. If it had limited distribution in just capital cities, then yes. But it is in my two local mid market department stores. Blue Stratos is rarer....
concentrations do not make something niche. unless my $6 roll-on of Al Rehab Sultan is a niche product.
smelling good does not make something niche, this is utterly asinine.
price does not make something niche, because there is no delineating price point. at all. ever. because no such definition exists and any put forth would be entirely arbitrary based on an individual's desire to own a niche brad by making whatever the hell they like meet the magic price point rather than deciding on a price point independently.
quality ingredients is an entirely spurious and untenable foundation. dihydromyrcenol, iso e super, ambroxan, galaxolide, linalool, geraniol, vanillin, coumarin, hedione, etc. who is kidding who about 'quality' ingredients when quality of the blend is what matters.