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    Default How come Heavy Oud fragrances are made in very hot countries ?

    I was just thinking about testing out my latest purchase tomorrow, ' Oudh Quadim ' by Junaid Jamshed .

    my concern was that tomorrow the temperature will be a max of 20c and some rain, and thought maybe it would be too 'heavy' for 20c weather and I should save it for Winter months.

    But I've always wondered why these heavy oud fragrances come from middle eastern countries where daily temperatures rarely fall below 20c, which I would consider to be Summer weather and choose something lighter and fresher from my wardrobe.

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    i don relay care what the temperatures are, even at 110 F. i can wear any frags i like, I don't believe that fragrance are made to be wear by a seasonal type.
    i will wear the heaviest amber scent in the hot summer or the strongest citrus in the coldest winter just fine.
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    As per my knowledge and observation, it is more a "traditional" habit or the part of culture that Oud is more popular in Middle East or other parts of Asia (where, normal temperature is usually around 20c).
    It is not only Oud fragrance, but there are more others, like "Amber", "Musks", "Bakhoor", "Loban (Choya)", "Rose incenses (rose water also)", "Saffron", "Cinnamon", "Sandalwood" and "Arabic Henna" are very common examples (and almost all of them are considered as "heavy" fragrances as you used this term).
    Arabs and Muslims used to burn the woods of most of the fragrances in their houses and gatherings as cultural traditions.
    Use of fragrances (woods burning and oil based) are also the part of religion Islam (which is the majority religion in these areas). Most of them are also used as Medicine.

    If you get a chance to visit Dubai, you will see most of the perfume shops are having burner out of their shops filling the mall atmosphere with different kind of fragrant smokes.

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    Default Re: How come Heavy Oud fragrances are made in very hot countries ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hitman View Post
    As per my knowledge and observation, it is more a "traditional" habit or the part of culture that Oud is more popular in Middle East or other parts of Asia (where, normal temperature is usually around 20c).
    It is not only Oud fragrance, but there are more others, like "Amber", "Musks", "Bakhoor", "Loban (Choya)", "Rose incenses (rose water also)", "Saffron", "Cinnamon", "Sandalwood" and "Arabic Henna" are very common examples (and almost all of them are considered as "heavy" fragrances as you used this term).
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    Just seems like they make better oud fragrances IMO.
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    Perhaps also because, aside from the tradition and thus carefully perfected skill for this genre, they seem to master the right proportions/doses, neither too much nor too little, of this particular note
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Just seems like they make better oud fragrances IMO.
    This. There is a difference between a rich/heavy scent and a cloying/sticky one IMO

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    I guess it's due to the same reason some countries had a massive perfume culture in the past, to outwit the body odor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitman View Post
    As per my knowledge and observation, it is more a "traditional" habit or the part of culture that Oud is more popular in Middle East or other parts of Asia (where, normal temperature is usually around 20c).
    It is not only Oud fragrance, but there are more others, like "Amber", "Musks", "Bakhoor", "Loban (Choya)", "Rose incenses (rose water also)", "Saffron", "Cinnamon", "Sandalwood" and "Arabic Henna" are very common examples (and almost all of them are considered as "heavy" fragrances as you used this term).
    Arabs and Muslims used to burn the woods of most of the fragrances in their houses and gatherings as cultural traditions.
    Use of fragrances (woods burning and oil based) are also the part of religion Islam (which is the majority religion in these areas). Most of them are also used as Medicine.

    If you get a chance to visit Dubai, you will see most of the perfume shops are having burner out of their shops filling the mall atmosphere with different kind of fragrant smokes.
    I saw this on TV. It's not popular to burn oud, but it is common in rich families in many countries. They stay close to the smoke in order to get perfurmed. It is intriguing the middle east tradition with resins, incense and all that. They also domain the techiniques to extract many extraits beyond oud. Then it's not just a culture matter, but tradition and knowledge. East world has many to learn with them.
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    Perhaps the idea is best embodied in the old saying, it takes a monster to kill a monster. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Perhaps the idea is best embodied in the old saying, it takes a monster to kill a monster. LOL.
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    It's a smell not a temperature...
    I realize some ppl perceive perfumes as warm or summery & whatnot. But they're exactly those : just perceptions.
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    That's where the trees grow - Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, China, India, Vietnam - all are pretty warm places. Oud, the resin distilled from the a type of agarwood tree is native to southeast asia. The large old growth trees are susceptible to a type of fungus growth that infects the resin of the tree and the combination of resin and the medicinal interaction with the fungus is what produces the haunting medicinal but woody "oud". These trees only grow in certain areas mostly throughout southeast asia and this is where most of pure oud oil comes from.

    Oud wood has been traditionally used in religious rituals burning on hot charcoal for the incense. This incense is used throughout the arab and middle east countries and that is why so many perfumes that use oud as an ingredient are targeted for and sold in those markets. The rest of the perfume world is the beneficiary of these local market preferences.

    As far as wood essences and hot weather goes, I've always thought that woods including oud or agarwood work great in warm weather or even hot weather. What gives a problem in the heat are the oriental touches added to oud in the many perfume blends. The sweet vanillas, sweet ambers, and exotic florals when added to oud tend to make them too heady or rich for hot weather wear. But oud in its pure form normally is fine in hot weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitman View Post
    where, normal temperature is usually around 20c
    Almost everything I agree with except the temperature - which in many cases is twice the # listed...Summers in South India / Western India can reach 45+ to 50. Same or more holds good for Middle East, which is more arid, so the heat isn't sticky, but u'll get baked wither way So oil based was the way to go, to hold the smell longer.

    As for the incense / oud wood / bakhoor burning - religious yes & has been in use for more than 2000 yrs / before Christ to give a reference of sorts. This was however dictated by money as well - more affluent people burned these in the past...
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter4ptv View Post
    i don relay care what the temperatures are, even at 110 F. i can wear any frags i like, I don't believe that fragrance are made to be wear by a seasonal type.
    i will wear the heaviest amber scent in the hot summer or the strongest citrus in the coldest winter just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnus611 View Post
    +1

    you, just have to adjust your sprays as to not choke yourself or others!
    isn't that obvious when you use heavy frags. in the summer?
    But of course I am not going to use Amber absolute 2-3 sprays in 100 degree F. will use only half or one at the most and will work perfectly fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badarun View Post
    Almost everything I agree with except the temperature - which in many cases is twice the # listed...Summers in South India / Western India can reach 45+ to 50. Same or more holds good for Middle East, which is more arid, so the heat isn't sticky, but u'll get baked wither way So oil based was the way to go, to hold the smell longer.

    As for the incense / oud wood / bakhoor burning - religious yes & has been in use for more than 2000 yrs / before Christ to give a reference of sorts. This was however dictated by money as well - more affluent people burned these in the past...
    50 degrees? This is an oven. I would take 3 showers daily! Gosh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter4ptv View Post
    i don relay care what the temperatures are, even at 110 F. i can wear any frags i like, I don't believe that fragrance are made to be wear by a seasonal type.
    i will wear the heaviest amber scent in the hot summer or the strongest citrus in the coldest winter just fine.
    This. As I say over and over, you people get too hung up on what to wear with clothes, weather, etc. Wear what you like and wear it well.

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    Some oud fragrances - even heavy ones that aren't oud-centric - have a certain dryness to them that can wear well in the heat, assuming it's a dry heat. I find this to be particularly true for Amouage scents. I wear Interlude Man in the summer. I wear Creed's Royal Oud too - all summer long. These kinds of scents are hard to wear in a humid summer, such as what the south in the U.S. experiences. But in a dry heat, they're fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyv View Post
    I was just thinking about testing out my latest purchase tomorrow, ' Oudh Quadim ' by Junaid Jamshed .

    my concern was that tomorrow the temperature will be a max of 20c and some rain, and thought maybe it would be too 'heavy' for 20c weather and I should save it for Winter months.

    But I've always wondered why these heavy oud fragrances come from middle eastern countries where daily temperatures rarely fall below 20c, which I would consider to be Summer weather and choose something lighter and fresher from my wardrobe.

    Any thoughts ?
    Hi jonnyv I went and visit the webpage for Junaid and his fragances look very good, the only thing is, a couple that I want to purchase, they are out of stock now, do you know by any change where to buy this I really one to get some of this , the notes sound very good and the reviews so far are good, Thanksvery much.

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    50 degrees? This is an oven. I would take 3 showers daily! Gosh!
    Temp would be in the early 40's in the hottest of summer days - but, factor in 75% or more humidity, lot's of dust & traffic pollution & u'll feel like u are standing next to a garage on fire - not making this up, lived in such extremes & lead a normal life - humans, being the top most animal, always find a way to survive

    And no, air-conditions are helpful, but power outages are quite common, so not much help there...
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    I've lived in Saudi Arabia for the past 15 years, and before that I lived in India and Egypt for several years. I'm not a Saudi or an Arab, and while I've lived in Saudi for a quarter of my life, my impressions remain those of an outsider. Hedonist and scent and other ethnic Arabs can offer much fuller and more accurate accounts of the traditions of oud use in the region. But I can offer my thoughts based on my experiences here.

    I've never bought into the seasonal concept regarding fragrances, and it doesn't bother me to wear heavy, dense, or powdery fragrances in hot weather. In winter I often get cravings for aquatics and citruses.

    My experience is that fragrances perform best in cool to moderate weather. Hot weather eats fragrances. Daytime temperatures here during summer regularly reach 46C (115F) and sometimes climb to 50C (122F). The low temperatures during night are still 35C (95F). While it is dry for much of the time, we also have a period of very high humidity in late summer, which can last for a month or more.

    Few fragrances last more than an hour or two in this climate. It can be very frustrating for a fragrance lover. A good approach is to spray frequently during the day, or use a more traditional Arabian fragrance, which tends to last through the day.

    Oud lasts in the extreme heat. It can also have a woody, dry character that is neither heavy nor cloying and cuts through the heat. It simply works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badarun View Post
    Temp would be in the early 40's in the hottest of summer days - but, factor in 75% or more humidity, lot's of dust & traffic pollution & u'll feel like u are standing next to a garage on fire - not making this up, lived in such extremes & lead a normal life - humans, being the top most animal, always find a way to survive

    And no, air-conditions are helpful, but power outages are quite common, so not much help there...
    This summer, down south temp went up to 44-46C...combine that with the humidity and god awful weather!

    Imagine getting baked and boiled at the same time, when stepping outside! And it's bright sunlight so huge amount of reflected hear and light from various surfaces such as building, roads etc

    Thankfully such extremes lasts only for a week or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyv View Post
    I was just thinking about testing out my latest purchase tomorrow, ' Oudh Quadim ' by Junaid Jamshed .

    my concern was that tomorrow the temperature will be a max of 20c and some rain, and thought maybe it would be too 'heavy' for 20c weather and I should save it for Winter months.

    But I've always wondered why these heavy oud fragrances come from middle eastern countries where daily temperatures rarely fall below 20c, which I would consider to be Summer weather and choose something lighter and fresher from my wardrobe.

    Any thoughts ?
    Oudh Qadim wears fine in warm weather. I wouldn't feel like wearing it on a blazing hot/humid day (say 28-30 degrees) but here in London I've been wearing it in the early 20's and it's fine. The oudh is quite soft like TF Oud Wood and it also has a floral aspect to it which makes it quite suitable for cooler summer days.

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    Default Re: How come Heavy Oud fragrances are made in very hot countries ?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    I've lived in Saudi Arabia for the past 15 years, and before that I lived in India and Egypt for several years. I'm not a Saudi or an Arab, and while I've lived in Saudi for a quarter of my life, my impressions remain those of an outsider. Hedonist and scent and other ethnic Arabs can offer much fuller and more accurate accounts of the traditions of oud use in the region. But I can offer my thoughts based on my experiences here.

    I've never bought into the seasonal concept regarding fragrances, and it doesn't bother me to wear heavy, dense, or powdery fragrances in hot weather. In winter I often get cravings for aquatics and citruses.

    My experience is that fragrances perform best in cool to moderate weather. Hot weather eats fragrances. Daytime temperatures here during summer regularly reach 46C (115F) and sometimes climb to 50C (122F). The low temperatures during night are still 35C (95F). While it is dry for much of the time, we also have a period of very high humidity in late summer, which can last for a month or more.

    Few fragrances last more than an hour or two in this climate. It can be very frustrating for a fragrance lover. A good approach is to spray frequently during the day, or use a more traditional Arabian fragrance, which tends to last through the day.

    Oud lasts in the extreme heat. It can also have a woody, dry character that is neither heavy nor cloying and cuts through the heat. It simply works.
    Practical explanation of the real time situation indeed!




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