$2,100 for empty Schiaparelli box?? Le Roy Soleil?

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I'm always checking eBay for vintage Schiaparelli frags, and ran across this closed sale of an empty box which blew my mind, and might be of interest to others here.

It's a Schiap I've never seen before, of interest on a few levels -- the closing price, of course, but also the name: Le Roy Soleil. Now of course this would mean "The Sun King" (Louis IV), but it's spelled wrong -- the correct French spelling is Roi, not Roy. Does anyone know anything about this frag or the odd spelling?

(In case the link to the auction stops working, I saved two photos that I'm uploading here also. There was no size listed by the seller, so I can't help with that, but you can see that the base of it is as wide as the palm of a man's hand.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-FRENCH-L...-/111936828682


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[hednic]

It's quite stunning and ornate.

[IsoESuperman]

Quite a presentation! I know nothing about it, but I do know that the Salvador Dali house has released a number of "Le Roy Soleil" fragrances/flankers, all spelled without an I.

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Quite beautiful. I suspect it would have been a store display item. I could be wrong but it does seem a bit on the large side for retail packaging.

[Cook.bot]

Quite beautiful. I suspect it would have been a store display item. I could be wrong but it does seem a bit on the large side for retail packaging.

I'll bet you're right. The wide part of the clamshell must be at least 6"-7" across.

Quite a presentation! I know nothing about it, but I do know that the Salvador Dali house has released a number of "Le Roy Soleil" fragrances/flankers, all spelled without an I.

Interesting. Hmmm. Salvador Dali = Surrealist. Elsa Schiaparelli famously hung out with Surrealists, and created Surrealist works like the famous lobster dress. I wonder if "Le Roy" could be some kind of French pun, related to Surrealism?

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I'll bet you're right. The wide part of the clamshell must be at least 6"-7" across.




Interesting. Hmmm. Salvador Dali = Surrealist. Elsa Schiaparelli famously hung out with Surrealists, and created Surrealist works like the famous lobster dress. I wonder if "Le Roy" could be some kind of French pun, related to Surrealism?

I'm sure she was friends with Dali.

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Ok, just did a quick search and found that the perfume bottle and this case were designed by Dali, probably the reason it went for so much cash.

You can read more here
http://www.house-of-francheska.co.uk/schiaparelli-5.htm
There are some nice pics too.

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Quite a presentation! I know nothing about it, but I do know that the Salvador Dali house has released a number of "Le Roy Soleil" fragrances/flankers, all spelled without an I.

It's the archaic spelling of roi.

[Cook.bot]

Ok, just did a quick search and found that the perfume bottle and this case were designed by Dali, probably the reason it went for so much cash.

You can read more here
http://www.house-of-francheska.co.uk/schiaparelli-5.htm
There are some nice pics too.

Wow! And wow again. That bottle! I can't begin to imagine what price it would fetch, with the bottle, in that condition. And what must the juice have been like...

Wasn't there a famous Dali clamshell piece goofing on the Botticelli "Venus Rising"? A painting? Or a sculpture in the garden of his home/museum? Something like that.

It's the archaic spelling of roi.

Really? I didn't see that anywhere in my searches. How'd you find that out?

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Really? I didn't see that anywhere in my searches. How'd you find that out?

Google It was also an alternative name for King Louis XIV


and, yes...I'd love a whiff of that scent. If the stunning presentation is anything to go by. I wonder if it has an oceanic or beach-y quality.

[Cook.bot]

Google It was also an alternative name for King Louis XIV

and, yes...I'd love a whiff of that scent. If the stunning presentation is anything to go by. I wonder if it has an oceanic or beach-y quality.

Huh. You must have Googling powers superior to mine. I couldn't find nuthin' on it.

Re: the scent -- since it was Schiaparelli, I'll bet it was animalic. Skanky, even. Louis Quatorze, powdered wigs, inch-thick makeup, no baths.. Yeah, I'd bet on skanky.

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Huh. You must have Googling powers superior to mine. I couldn't find nuthin' on it.

Re: the scent -- since it was Schiaparelli, I'll bet it was animalic. Skanky, even. Louis Quatorze, powdered wigs, inch-thick makeup, no baths.. Yeah, I'd bet on skanky.

Ha ha! You are probably right, Louis Quatorze' skanky drawers

The fragrance is still available in the Dali line but I doubt it bears any resemblance. The bottle and packaging have certainly been somewhat down graded (being diplomatic.)

[cacio]

I knew that the bottle was extremely rare and superexpensive. But didn't imagine the box would be as well.

Who knows what it might have smelled-although in this case I'd bet it was about the bottle, not the content. And I wish Schiaparelli shocking were still available...

cacio

[Cook.bot]

And I wish Schiaparelli shocking were still available...

cacio

From your lips to God's ears.

I've managed to acquire three mini bottles of Shocking over the past several years, and treasure every precious skanky drop of it.

[hedonist222]

Price has never made sense. Nor was it intended to.
Over here prize falcons and camels easily sell for $100,000.

[beleriand]

According to the Perfume Bottles Price guide, the bottle is worth $9,000-$10,000. The bottle and box together is worth $12,500. I don't think the value has that much to do with the fact that Dali designed it. All other things being equal, if some obscure designer had conceived of it, it would probably still be worth a similar amount.

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According to the Perfume Bottles Price guide, the bottle is worth $9,000-$10,000. The bottle and box together is worth $12,500. I don't think the value has that much to do with the fact that Dali designed it. All other things being equal, if some obscure designer had conceived of it, it would probably still be worth a similar amount.

Yes, Dali is so irrelevant as an artist

[beleriand]

Yes, Dali is so irrelevant as an artist

So, I guess this $55,000 bottle must have been designed by Picasso?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item...s-dior-perfume

or these $31,000 bottles by Van Gogh?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item...erfume-bottles

and why is this ultra rare bottle by Dali only 140 Euros?

http://www.miniparfum.com/fr/accueil...-feu-dali.html

[mumsy]

Can you imagine how very glamorous the woman must have been who had this on her dressing table. If only we could just catch a glimpse of what this wonderful thing has seen with its clammy eye.

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So, I guess this $55,000 bottle must have been designed by Picasso?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item...s-dior-perfume

or these $31,000 bottles by Van Gogh?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item...erfume-bottles

and why is this ultra rare bottle by Dali only 140 Euros?

http://www.miniparfum.com/fr/accueil...-feu-dali.html

The first bottle is mega rare and by one of last centuries most important designers. A couturier that is currently still very much at the top of their game.

The second bottles are also very rare and very beautiful from a collectors position.

The Dali bottle has no creative merit and an Ebay search will show just how "rare" it actually is (not at all.) Your comparisons are, at best, very biased and that makes your point ridiculous. Also, $140 isn't that bad for a fairly standard 'miniature.'

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Can you imagine how very glamorous the woman must have been who had this on her dressing table. If only we could just catch a glimpse of what this wonderful thing has seen with its clammy eye.

I prefer to think of someone living in squalor and this their only magnificent thing left in life (think Gray Gardens with fancy perfume.)

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Looks a lot better with the bottle.

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[beleriand]

How does the bottles' being rare help your point, which was that Le Roy Soleil's value was based on its having been designed by Dali? Of course their rarity figures into the value. That's the whole point. Rare and beautiful perfume bottles like La Roy Soleil are worth lots of money, regardless of who they're designed by. Bottles that aren't rare or beautiful aren't worth a lot, even when they are designed by Dali. That's exactly what I originally said, which you criticized. I can find thousands of examples of bottles worth more than Le Roy Soleil. It doesn't seem to be worth any more than any other bottle of its sort.

And an ebay search for Coup de Feu lead me to find one sold one with what appears to be the wrong box and an auction for an empty box, so it's at least rare enough that not everyone who wants one can have one, and, yet, still not that valuable, despite being designed by Dali. 1/2 an ounce isn't a mini.

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How does the bottles' being rare help your point, which was that Le Roy Soleil's value was based on its having been designed by Dali? Of course their rarity figures into the value. That's the whole point. Rare and beautiful perfume bottles like La Roy Soleil are worth lots of money, regardless of who they're designed by. Bottles that aren't rare or beautiful aren't worth a lot, even when they are designed by Dali. That's exactly what I originally said, which you criticized. I can find thousands of examples of bottles worth more than Le Roy Soleil. It doesn't seem to be worth any more than any other bottle of its sort.

And an ebay search for Coup de Feu lead me to find one sold one with what appears to be the wrong box and an auction for an empty box, so it's at least rare enough that not everyone who wants one can have one, and, yet, still not that valuable, despite being designed by Dali. 1/2 an ounce isn't a mini.

It was made by a perfume house, not Dali. It isn't a Dali designed, it's a Dali license. It's like comparing a Mickey Mouse mug from Walmart with a drawing done by Walt himself. Absolutely, it's a beautiful object regardless of provenance but as one of this century's biggest artists, with painting selling in the tens of millions, I find it ignorant to say his name doesn't affect the value.

Also, that auctions website you listed seems somewhat dodgy to me. That second listing with the Maggie Noir (1970's creation) and Tresor (1990's) being listed as vintage bottles from the 50's. Can you see a problem there?

[beleriand]

The bottles actually were designed by Dali.

http://www.perfumeintelligence.co.uk...es/Marquay.htm

That auction is from the annual convention of the IPBA.

http://www.perfumebottlesauction.com/

And that's Magie, not Magie Noir, and a different Tresor that was released in the 50s.

http://perfumeintelligence.co.uk/lib.../t/t3/t3p6.htm

I mean, if there was some Dali fanatic who just had to have the bottle because it was designed by him, then, sure, I can see how that would affect the value, but it's just my opinion that, in most cases, that bottle, looking like it does and as rare as it is, would be worth pretty much the same amount if an unknown person had designed it. There's just no shortage of bottles worth around what the Dali bottle is worth. I didn't cherry pick those examples:

https://classic.liveauctioneers.com/...bhagwan-bottle

https://classic.liveauctioneers.com/...perfume-bottle

https://classic.liveauctioneers.com/...perfume-bottle

https://classic.liveauctioneers.com/...tle-for-madhva

http://www.coutaubegarie.com/html/in...11&lng=fr&np=1

http://www.coutaubegarie.com/html/fi...rdre=&aff=1&r=

[Lorna_May]

https://amp.rtve.es/noticias/2017110.../1632946.shtml

[PStoller]

Here's an ad from 1947. Dali's own Roy Soleil used a similar design:

[PStoller]

If you really want to know how it smells…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-NIB-194...t/264266645327