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    Quote Originally Posted by cologne connoisseur View Post
    You owe it to yourself to explore the vintage Guerlains. They are well worth your time, and I suspect you and Mrs. S will both agree. Vol de Nuit, Sous le Vent and Vega are all great examples of the genius of this house back in the day.
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    It's worth the effort, I also think Mrs S will find more than a few Guerlains quite a bit to her liking.
    I do appreciate the suggestions, thank you. The day will come, possibly sooner than I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    I'm curious, which one of us between me and PStoller is Rowan, and which one Martin? <3
    It depends which of us is more of a Dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    It depends which of us is more of a Dick.
    Well I'm definitely not a straight man like Dan Rowan was so I guess that's me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsoESuperman View Post
    Not today, but trying to play catch up.

    Was lucky to grab an old bottle, and really old bottle, of Annick Goutal Vétiver at decent prices. The older, darker ribbed bottle smells headier and a little mossy. I haven't seen Vétiver is that bottle style much. If anyone knows how old it might be, I'm all ears.

    Also jumped on some vintage Czech & Speake No. 88, BNIB. The label says it was $40 when new, for the 50ml. I'd guess that was a while ago but not sure. Just a few listed ingredients on the sticker on the bottom.

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    Lest ye not forgot about the wonderful world of splitters. strifeknot is splitting eagle bottle of Derby, 5ml for under $30. He also does off-site sales of even smaller amounts on Crystal Flacon. I'm guessing a 2ml spray would run you $15 or so, maybe even less.

    If all you're looking for is an experience, rather than the bottle collecting aspect, 2ml should provide an ample one for the price of a movie ticket and popcorn.
    Great pick on the Goutal Vetiver. One of my top 3 vetivers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    It depends which of us is more of a Dick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Well I'm definitely not a straight man like Dan Rowan was so I guess that's me.
    I was certainly the straight man for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    I was certainly the straight man for that.
    What a pair!

    I would say both of you could likelyy play both parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.CAL Fragrance Reviewer View Post
    I would suggest looking at some of the other iconic classics like Mitsouko…
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    Fine! Happy now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
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    Fine! Happy now?
    Extrait de parfum? Also be careful, some experts warn that darker fluid on these older bottles runs the risk of being off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Extrait de parfum? Also be careful, some experts warn that darker fluid on these older bottles runs the risk of being off.
    Yep, extrait—125 ml of it. So, let's hope it doesn't suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    Yep, extrait—125 ml of it. So, let's hope it doesn't suck.
    Bonette and Lellabelle are the experts on vintage Guerlain if I remember correctly. Run this by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Bonette and Lellabelle are the experts on vintage Guerlain if I remember correctly. Run this by them.
    I’ll probably have to have it in hand first. I don’t think color is enough to go by, save when a frag has changed more radically than between shades of amber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badarun View Post
    Great pick on the Goutal Vetiver. One of my top 3 vetivers...
    I've never smelled any version of Goutal's vetiver, though I 'm a fan of Goutal's greens in general. Is the vintage substantially superior to the modern? And what would be the cut-off date for the vintage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
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    Fine! Happy now?
    If you look at other images of vintage bottles of Mitsouko perfumes some have darker tints. A good sign here would be that this is a full bottle by appearance. It does appear to be sealed and perhaps never opened.

    You will have to test it out to and perhaps compare it with another sample to make a conclusion.

    If turns out to be fine, then you struck gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsoESuperman View Post
    ...Also jumped on some vintage Czech & Speake No. 88, BNIB. The label says it was $40 when new, for the 50ml. I'd guess that was a while ago but not sure. Just a few listed ingredients on the sticker on the bottom...
    That's the one I own - congrat's. When I wear it, I'm reminded of what a fantastic fragrance it is. No. 88 was talked about so much on BN ten years ago - now it's almost never discussed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    I’ll probably have to have it in hand first. I don’t think color is enough to go by, save when a frag has changed more radically than between shades of amber.
    Hi Pstoller-

    I look forward to hearing what you think your vintage Mitsouko. Vintage Guerlain extraits are worth the risk, and for a bottle of this size, you got a great deal. Although the bottle is sealed, it looks like the baudruchage has partially come off, but it is certainly full to the brim. In my experience, oxidized vintage extraits usually don't smell truly bad, but you may notice that the structure of the perfume has flattened out and the perfume won't develop or last on the skin. Good luck with it (vintage Mitsouko extrait is glorious) and do report back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grayspoole View Post
    Vintage Guerlain extraits are worth the risk, and for a bottle of this size, you got a great deal. Although the bottle is sealed, it looks like the baudruchage has partially come off, but it is certainly full to the brim. In my experience, oxidized vintage extraits usually don't smell truly bad, but you may notice that the structure of the perfume has flattened out and the perfume won't develop or last on the skin. Good luck with it (vintage Mitsouko extrait is glorious) and do report back.
    My only problem is, I haven’t a frame of reference. If you have a stock of known glorious vintage Mitsouko, would you want to swap samples to compare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    I've never smelled any version of Goutal's vetiver, though I 'm a fan of Goutal's greens in general. Is the vintage substantially superior to the modern? And what would be the cut-off date for the vintage?
    I'm not sure if there's any consensus as to when it stopped being vintage, but some years back they disco'd the EdT and brought about an EdC that smells much fresher and only has hints of the EdT. I still like the EdC, but the EdT is quite its own animal. I generally go by EdC as being the modern one.

    It's a really punchy, unusual vetiver. I'm kind of shocked it came out in 1985 but then again, they were doing other crazy, progressive shit like Sables back then. I think you and I ride similar waves of vetiver fanaticism, and this is on the level of Etro with full-force, in your face vetiver accords.

    Where Etro basically smells realistically like actual vetiver oil, the Goutal does something considerably different. It has a...frankly weird briny/iodine & spice accord that I think would turn the stomachs of some while delighting others. I really have to be in the mood for it, but it's incredible when I am. I've smelled quite a few vetivers, none of those were anything like the Goutal.

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    That's the one I own - congrat's. When I wear it, I'm reminded of what a fantastic fragrance it is. No. 88 was talked about so much on BN ten years ago - now it's almost never discussed.
    Agreed, Mike. It is fantastic. One of the <40 things I've thrown a 5-star rating at. This is my second bottle of the vintage, my first No.88 is one of the few things I've managed to empty. I wish I kept it because I swear there were Forester Milano markings on either the bottle or outer tube, but this one doesn't have any. I don't think it's fake by any means, but I don't think it's post-Forester either.

    I remember those days as a lurker. For a while there, hardly 48hrs went by without seeing a post about No.88 or Domenico Caraceni 1913, they were the hot topic masculine rose scents back then. The heyday of L'Artisan, Maitre Parfumeur et Gantier, Parfum d'Empire, Parfumerie Generale, and even that now obscure one that Gualtieri did prior to Nasomatto. People of the Corn or something was the house. It wasn't that, but it was People of the _____ I think. Probably 90% of the existing niche/indie houses weren't born yet, L'Artisan was like the king.

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    Well...now I have to bow in front of you and say...enjoy in good health Stoller!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsoESuperman View Post
    It's a really punchy, unusual vetiver. I'm kind of shocked it came out in 1985 but then again, they were doing other crazy, progressive shit like Sables back then. I think you and I ride similar waves of vetiver fanaticism, and this is on the level of Etro with full-force, in your face vetiver accords.
    Clearly I need some. Four words I have yet to ever utter: "That's too much vetiver." PC sent me some pure vetiver perfume oil, and even that didn't choke me out.

    I wish I kept it because I swear there were Forester Milano markings on either the bottle or outer tube
    Huh?

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    Fine! Happy now?
    I'd be weary my friend. That seller sold two listings one from Nov. and one from Dec. using the same pictures. He also has his location as Morocco, but is shipping out of China (mostly every listing of vintage Mitsouko from China, Russia, or UAE is a scam btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Clearly I need some. Four words I have yet to ever utter: "That's too much vetiver." PC sent me some pure vetiver perfume oil, and even that didn't choke me out.
    In a way, smell wise, it is less vetivery than the Etro. But it punches just as hard, maybe harder, with whatever is going on in it. By and large, most vetiver oils I've smelled are generally easy-going and not super chokey. Many do show the peanut husk-y side in full force, though. Just a guess, but I think the Goutal could choke someone more easily than the pure oil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Huh?
    Forester Srl, located in Milan (and now defunct?) did either the distribution or dist. & compounding for a few houses - Czech & Speake, Washington Tremlett, Domenico Caraceni, and probably others I'm unaware of. I assume they were kind of like Diana de Silva, who did Ettore Bugatti, GIanfranco Ferre, I think Moschino and again probably more I never knew about/can't remember. I think DdS did release some perfumes under their own name too, which I don't think Forester did.

    One of the tell-tale signs of vtg. Czech & Speake stuff was that it had "Forester Milano" somewhere on it. Also I think the cardboard cylinder was an indicator too, but I suppose I thought either both were there or neither. Could be someone was doing Czech & Speake prior to Forester, but I don't know. There was an old blog post that had a lot of Forester info on it, I forget whose. Maybe the_good_life (The State of Carnation) or maybe someone else. I think they interviewed John Stephen who was the OG Czech & Speake perfumer...and now doing stuff for YouTubers apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldWineMemories View Post
    I'd be wary my friend. That seller sold two listings one from Nov. and one from Dec. using the same pictures. He also has his location as Morocco, but is shipping out of China (mostly every listing of vintage Mitsouko from China, Russia, or UAE is a scam btw).
    Thanks for the heads-up. I did note the oddity of the item and shipping location, but didn't check back to see old listings. The December listing is my auction, while the November listing shows as both "sold" and "relisted." This can happen if a sale doesn't go through, but it's highly suspicious. If it's bogus, you can bet I'll get my money back.
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    Thanks for the heads-up. I did note the oddity of the item and shipping location, but didn't check back to see old listings. If it's bogus, you can bet I'll get my money back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    My only problem is, I haven’t a frame of reference. If you have a stock of known glorious vintage Mitsouko, would you want to swap samples to compare?
    Ask and you shall receive, friend. Sent you a PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grayspoole View Post
    Ask and you shall receive, friend. Sent you a PM.
    I'm inclined to wanting to do another sample swap. There's a few more items from your collection that I haven't tried that I'm intrigued to try.
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    Mostly cheapies: An Etienne Aigner sampler…

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    …and other random goodies:

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    Nothing coming from Morocco by way of China this time. (BTW, that seller's other fragrances seem an odd assortment of vintage also-rans for a scammer, but we'll see.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsoESuperman View Post
    ...Agreed, Mike. It is fantastic. One of the <40 things I've thrown a 5-star rating at. This is my second bottle of the vintage, my first No.88 is one of the few things I've managed to empty. I wish I kept it because I swear there were Forester Milano markings on either the bottle or outer tube, but this one doesn't have any. I don't think it's fake by any means, but I don't think it's post-Forester either.

    I remember those days as a lurker. For a while there, hardly 48hrs went by without seeing a post about No.88 or Domenico Caraceni 1913, they were the hot topic masculine rose scents back then. The heyday of L'Artisan, Maitre Parfumeur et Gantier, Parfum d'Empire, Parfumerie Generale, and even that now obscure one that Gualtieri did prior to Nasomatto. People of the Corn or something was the house. It wasn't that, but it was People of the _____ I think. Probably 90% of the existing niche/indie houses weren't born yet, L'Artisan was like the king.
    I think you're talking about People Of the Labyrinths? I loved their two releases (both sold in EdP and Parfum): A.maze (2007...the rose/oud one - released right when rose/oud became a 'thing') and Luctor et Emergo (1998...aka The One That Smells JUST like Play-doh).

    But speaking of rose/oud before it was a 'thing': Dark Rose by Czech & Speake (2003) was the sh*t for a while on BN, several years before rose/oud blew up.
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