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    Quote Originally Posted by AZsmells View Post
    I say give it some time for 2 reasons. First yes I do believe that the perfume itself will get better once it has had some time to settle. I believe this is more important for fragrances with a larger amount of natural materials.
    The second and maybe more important reason is our own noses. There are many fragrances that just take time to actually understand. I wasn't blown away by Russian Oud or Musk when I first smelled them. My samples sat for awhile untouched. One day I decided to try them again and I loved them. This has happened to me with a lot of fragrances. The opposite has also happened where I first loved a fragrance and then later just thought it was average.
    Totally agree. This has happened to me many times and happened to me with the exact same two ALD fragrances you mention. Now I own them both. Matter of fact I bought Russian Oud last spring because I revisited the sample over time until it was gone. I liked it and was intrigued by it. But then I never really wore the full bottle. Until last month. On a whim I put some on for the first time in forever and fell in love. Wore it for days and thought about it when I wasn’t wearing it. Takes time sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPV View Post
    A n00b error is to believe that a «like» can become a «love» just by giving it some time. Much more at these prices.

    A perfumer must always be above his raw materials. Mostly on this occasion, where there is a ton of aroma chemicals.

    I do not need to «give time» to O'Driùs, Reinthals, Sultan Pashas, Dusitas, Di Ser and that long etcetera of «semi-natural» houses à-la Areej, even if I don't like some or many works, because I do get instantly a vision, a professional blend, a multitude of layers (time will not give you that if the perfumer doesn't know how to create them), richness, boldness and, overall, a work of art.

    Ensar and Russian Adam, as perfumers, must be considered as young amateurs. All their blends seem to be created by an aficionado, not by a professional. And this does not diminish their ability to learn or what they are contributing to the world of perfumery (Ensar's oils are a world apart). But a living master, unlike them, is Ropion, Sheldrake, Lobb, Pregoni and Jacques Polge.

    It is always the same song by the same crowd since the second collection: «give time», «give time», «give time»... Ad eternum.
    Respectfully disagree with most of your statement and for the most part your comparison is also flawed.

    ALD, Bortnikoff, Ensar Oud are all Eastern (or what some would say are Oriental) perfume houses. Their art is different and is based on the fragrances (and ingredients) that originate from the Middle East and South/Greater Asia. You wouldn't compare souffle with kanafeh, so why would we compare Russian Adam with Dominque Ropion? They're different styles of perfumery. IMO the rose in Malik Al Taif blows away the synthetic Portrait of a Lady....let's not even begin to compare the ingredients. But I wouldn't make such a comparison in the first place, apples and oranges and what not.

    Raw ingredients absolutely do age with time, particularly oud and sandalwood oils. As they age, the quality of the composition improves. This is fact. If you don't like the scent profile of a particular fragrance, it is unlikely that ageing will make you like it. But if you like it, with time, it will get better and you could possibly fall in love with it. Either way, SM2 and OE2 have had a largely positive response. If you like them, there is no denying that they will get better with time.

    Look at this thread and how fast ALD fragrances sell out....clearly Russian Adam is doing something right. Of course, every fragrance isn't going to be a 10/10 (I didn't really care for the majority of the fourth collection). But the house does have some absolute gems. Oh and EO1 is literally one of the best fragrances to come out in a long time, I can't see how anybody could knock it.

    So why all the hype? Different, unique fragrances with a lot of natural ingredients. What isn't there to like?
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    Thanks for your take, JPV. It’s the first time I heard of a ‘hamburger note’ in Siberian Musk 2 but it intrigues me. I’m not sure if I have enough left of my sample to hunt down this note. Perhaps I should drop by Burger King first to sniff around... I’ll let you know later if the burger joint smells like Siberian Musk 2. Lol.

    I’m not going to go into the ‘masters’ vs ‘amateur’ debate. All I care about is whether a fragrance smells good and wears well on me. FWIW amateurs and professionals alike have made shitty stuff though the amateur at least could chalk it down to a lack of technical expertise. The masters? Blame the focus groups or bean counters I suppose? Tastes are subjective anyway, influenced by culture and breadth of exposure to various olfactory styles. In most cases, no single fragrance is perfect. There is always something you could tweak to suit your preferences.
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    For the record Ottoman Empire I and II purportedly had no deer musk in it. So great eye for detail there despite all the lovely debate. I love debate around a subjective passion as much as the next guy but let's stick to what's factual (although you can argue easily that notes provided are fantasy) info is in front of us. I don't remember who mentioned that he was but Sultan Pasha is not all natural, he takes value in synthetics, especially in the context of ones used in classical French perfumery.

    I agree with previous posters over the past few weeks that think SM part II is a faithful continuation, as for the suspicious activity.... a present

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    Edit: Also very strange that someone mentions they think SMII has more deer musk than the original only after the Areej Instagram mentions it.
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    JPV, you sound like a jealous perfumer who hide is identity under a new avatar...

    ...maybe not, anyway, it's very funny to read you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBS1 View Post
    Bottle number 286 . SM ll
    Sprayed a very little on, for I want my bottle to sit for a bit ,
    and I am getting a 5ml from Steifeknot, and for me I have to say ,
    this is what fragrances are all about
    gorgeous
    I love it .
    The bottle is just beautiful.
    Very pleased.
    Thank you Russian Adam for your work and integrity ,
    and DiamondFlame for giving us this chance to speak about our passion on this forum.
    I thought there were only 285 bottles of SM II

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    Dear Fragrance Lovers,

    We are excited to announce that, due to a huge number of requests, we are on the verge of launching Siberian Musk part II (SM2) and Ottoman Empire part II (EO2).

    Compositions will be limited and will come in extrait concentration 30ml, numbered bottles of a new design, featuring calligraphy by a Turkish artist. There will be 285 bottles of SM2 and 387 bottles of OE2, priced at 190 and 170 USD per bottle.

    Those who wish to reserve full bottles prior to the official release will be able to PRE-ORDER. When all packaging materials are ready (we estimate a week or two), we will make this option available… only on our Areej le Doré website www.areejledore.com

    As soon as pre-order becomes available, you will be notified by email.

    Thank you & have a fragrant day!

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    Well, JPV... I don’t know where exactly the ‘condescension’ was on my part seeing it was you who called me a ‘fanboy’, Russian Adam an ‘amateur’ and that his latest Siberian Musk at times smells like grilled meat patties. Rather inflammatory for your first few posts on Basenotes, wouldn’t you agree? Did you even read my various comments and criticisms on Areej Le Dore fragrances over the last 100 pages? Clearly you didn’t.

    But you did raise one salient point. “The blend must always be above the raw materials”. I can certainly get behind that. In fact I’ve posted long ago stating that in the hands of true masters even crappy materials can be combined in the right proportions to smell good. I still believe that. But I also know the quality of materials at a perfumer’s disposal imposes certain limits on the final outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    Respectfully, I have to disagree. When it comes to natural woods, aging makes a WORLD of difference. Have you ever compared sandalwood oils or oud of different age profiles? I’m no expert but my nose can’t deny what it’s smelling. And why on Earth would any distiller sit on their oils for years if aging does squat to these oils?

    That said I can understand the grumbling. We’re living in an age of instant gratification after all. Few people appreciate what time does to certain works of art. In metalwork for example there is the allure of patina. ‘Chromeheads’ however like their metals shiny and bright. Aging is probably a process underappreciated by perfumers working with stable ACs.

    While I do not deny the mastery of Ropion, Sheldrake, Polge et all, bear in mind their mastery is limited to the materials they are accustomed to. There is no guarantee they can perform at the same level if they are given oud blends and natural distillates to work with. I would dearly love to see them try though. Imagine a collaboration between Russian Adam and Bertrand Duchafour?? It will probably give some fans an apoplectic fit...lol.
    To be fair, I just haven't experienced the effect directly, and my default in that scenario is to be skeptical. Considering the crossover between e.g. wine and scotch aging processes and perfume, it wouldn't surprise me.

    I've only tried to assess changes in the more natural items I have over time, and haven't been able to sniff out a difference. E.g. I have Oud Zen. Does it smell different now vs when I bought it when released? Maybe, but I can't 100% recall the scent profile when it was new. It seems about the same. And I have a sample of cave aged patchouli attar from AbdesSalaam - it smells great, but I can't compare it to that same patchouli oil when fresh.

    I haven't explored aged wood oils (but clearly I should). So, it sounds like you have wood oils/attars which are sourced using virtually the same materials and methods, and have been able to compare that same material at different aged states? And there's a big difference? That sounds like an entertaining detour in this hobby!

    And yes, I would love to see a collaboration between a renowned perfumer and a naturals specialist!
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    holy spare time to write novels for responses that no one cares about batman.
    Don't stank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaineBCN View Post
    I thought there were only 285 bottles of SM II
    Just checked again . Bottle number #286 .
    I'll look for the paperwork .
    The bottle number and the paperwork number differed .
    I think the paper one read #285 .
    That would be so cool to get a misprint.

    Two of the three bottle bring sold mentioned above have sold.

    The listing you're looking for has ended.
    Areej LE Dore-SIBERIAN MUSK pt2 - 30ml-Super Rare & Discontinued
    Condition: New
    Ended: May 04, 2019, 02:56:04 AM PDT
    Price: EUR 220.00 (approx $246.13)
    Item SOLD
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ENCENS-MYTH...d=273831174638

    The listing you're looking for has ended.
    Areej Le Dore Siberian Musk and Ottoman empire
    Condition: Used
    Ended: May 04, 2019, 02:16:00 PM PDT
    Price: US $600.00
    Item SOLD
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Areej-Le-Do...d=273832246918

    Here's an OE ll listed for $319 right now .
    Already one sold for that price I believe.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Areej-Le-Do...frcectupt=true
    Areej Le Dore Ottoman Empire Part II 30 mL Extrait RARE NEW AUTHENTIC USA SELLER
    Popular Item 1 viewed per hour
    Condition:New
    Quantity:
    1
    Last one / 1 sold
    Price:US $319.99
    $28 for 12 months *
    Buy It Now -

    So it looks like the bottles are moving around and finding their loved homes.

    This has happened before.
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    I suppose the fans who blinked and missed out on the pre-orders are snapping these up. I don’t mind paying the original price + shipping but I don’t see why I should line anyone’s pockets.

    Quote Originally Posted by JPV View Post
    I will write it once again: Indolis is one of my favorite works ever, dot
    No apologies necessary, JPV. Perhaps I did react as most fanboys would, lol. Anyway, this is indeed a discussion thread on all things related to Areej Le Doré fragrances and your opinion is as valid as anyone else’s no matter how it is worded. Let’s move on, shall we? You enjoy Indolis as I do, perhaps even more so. I find it a little dense in the base. If I could pick your brain, what makes Indolis different from or better (less amateurish?) than the other blends?
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    Wow a lot of activity on this thread.
    Having just spent a week in Dubai, and having had the opportunity to sample a wide array of fragrances, I have walked away with greater appreciation and respect for ALD. The price-to-quality ratio is the biggest factor.
    I would have sampled at least 30 fragrances within the ALD price range (using a mix of series 3 and 4 pricing) - and very few , if any, could compare in terms of quality of ingredients. I had to go up 1 or 2 price tiers to get equivalency in quality.
    I don’t necessarily “love” every fragrance in the ALD collection; but I must say very few can match their quality to price ratio.

    I’m officially now a “fanboy”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOB111 View Post
    Wow a lot of activity on this thread.
    Having just spent a week in Dubai, and having had the opportunity to sample a wide array of fragrances, I have walked away with greater appreciation and respect for ALD. The price-to-quality ratio is the biggest factor.
    I would have sampled at least 30 fragrances within the ALD price range (using a mix of series 3 and 4 pricing) - and very few , if any, could compare in terms of quality of ingredients. I had to go up 1 or 2 price tiers to get equivalency in quality.
    That must have been lots of fun
    Thank you so much for letting us know.
    The more information, the better we understand .
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    i bought OEII and upon first smell i have to say i find it putrid and horrible. ive not smelt it again since it was delivered. i wont go as far to say its bad as alot of people like it but it definitely isnt my thing,i just get a sour mess. ive put it away hoping to try again later down the line,maybe ill find it different then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu abdullaah View Post
    i bought OEII and upon first smell i have to say i find it putrid and horrible. ive not smelt it again since it was delivered. it definitely isnt my thing, ive put it away hoping to try again later down the line,maybe ill find it different then.
    If you have that much disdain for it now, I am not sure you'll enjoy it a month or two from now.
    It just might not work on your skin , and if so, I am sorry to hear of that.
    I've had more than a few perfumes that went horrible wrong on my skin.
    Colette from HdP was terrible on my skin, but I also let this one girl at work sample it and it went well for her .
    1969 from the same company went well on my skin. It was a happy and uplifting fragrance , but on her skin, nope .

    I am a little worried that you'll be listening to peoples advice,mine included , then when the time comes , you'll have remorse, and may not trust ,
    if the experience doesn't go well.
    Mmmmm, let's see , I remember when I would go to the fragrance fountains at the mall a little from robes,
    and I felt indifferent to what I was smelling , for the person at the counter would tell me that this has a nice balance of woods & spices etc.
    I myself didn't smell any woods , and some of the things I was smelling that everyone loved, I really didn't like.
    Invictus, Eros etc. and I was upset I believe because of my expectations .
    I am not saying that this is what it is, but there might be a hyped expectation here.
    the price may also have influence and could exacerbate some.

    So my experience at those fragrance fountains didn't go well for me , and thus I lost trust for a little bit.
    That changed for me when I stated sampling more and more , and started sharing experiences with others.
    Tauer's Vanilla Flash went ok on my skin , but was amazing on another's .

    So with time, namely me, things have changed.
    Yes OEll will change in the bottle some and get better, but it still might not be for you,
    and you might not be for it.

    I am sorry , I am kinda in a hurry , for I am running late once again.
    I am not saying you don't have experience , I am saying more about expectations may ruin experience .
    Molecule 001 , the ISO E Super was the same thing
    Oh boy , I'm late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu abdullaah View Post
    i bought OEII and upon first smell i have to say i find it putrid and horrible. ive not smelt it again since it was delivered. i wont go as far to say its bad as alot of people like it but it definitely isnt my thing,i just get a sour mess. ive put it away hoping to try again later down the line,maybe ill find it different then.
    LOL.

    For me personally it’s probably the most complex, and at the same time beautiful and radiant, rose/oud I’ve ever smelled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildrnesxperienc View Post
    for me personally it’s probably the most complex, and at the same time beautiful and radiant, rose/oud i’ve ever smelled.
    lol
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    Getting a few good observations on Siberian Musk part 2 by spraying the curtains before relaxing in bed.

    - The animalic factor of the musk is pretty much there instantly.
    -Get an equal mix of animal based musk and "vegetal" based musks. (Instead of vegetal moving onto animal over time)
    -The pine is more noticeable

    I might test more spray based scents like this to get a better idea of how wafts would smell in a more relaxed environment vs a spray on the neck/chest and catching whiffs via movement.
    Has anyone else done proximity based impressions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HauteParfumGourmand View Post
    Getting a few good observations on Siberian Musk part 2 by spraying the curtains before relaxing in bed.

    - The animalic factor of the musk is pretty much there instantly.
    -Get an equal mix of animal based musk and "vegetal" based musks. (Instead of vegetal moving onto animal over time)
    -The pine is more noticeable

    I might test more spray based scents like this to get a better idea of how wafts would smell in a more relaxed environment vs a spray on the neck/chest and catching whiffs via movement.
    Has anyone else done proximity based impressions?
    I do get more pine and animalics as it dries down. I am liking it more and more. It is not that far from Baikal Gris actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPV View Post
    I did no compare Ropion with Russian Adam in the strict sense of style; I was talking about blend, mastery, creativity, you know, those kind of things that are supposed to perfumer, @911LambMelb. I compared him to Pregoni, Reinthal, «Sultan Pasha», Pissara and Shinohara [among others] in my first post, and to Aftel, JK, MacCoy, Ahmed (from Elixir Attar) and Meshell in my third one. All of these perfumers play in the same league of natural-semi natural fragrances. The differences with «Ensar» and «Russian» Adam are already written by me. What i said is that a living master, unlike «Ensar» and «Russian» Adam, are 'Ropion, Sheldrake, Lobb, Pregoni and/or Jacques Polge'.
    The blend must be always above the raw materials. Perfumers, as well. You pay an extra charge for it; otherwise, just get some ambergris, some kasturi, some oud and frangipani and blend your own fragrance at a third of the cost.
    As for the 'good response' of this two reissues, ebay: 6 fragrances on sell now, another 3 or 4 last week. Plus Facebook, plus Basenotes.
    Right so you're comparing them yet not comparing them at the same time...
    Not going to go into a debate about what makes a good perfumer when your parameters for a comparison are initially flawed and based on logical fallacies. However this is a subjective topic, feel free to like what you like.

    In terms of the good response- let the numbers do the talking. They all sold out. Fast. Yes some are being resold on ebay, some by people who didn't like them and others by flippers seeking a profit. How many bottles have sold on Ebay and elsewhere, a very small percentage of the initial offering. Total bottles sold: 672. I've seen around 10 bottles or so on ebay, let's say 20 to be conservative. Less than 3%. Even 10% change hands, that's a very good result for blind buys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBS1 View Post
    If you have that much disdain for it now, I am not sure you'll enjoy it a month or two from now.
    It just might not work on your skin , and if so, I am sorry to hear of that.
    I've had more than a few perfumes that went horrible wrong on my skin.
    Colette from HdP was terrible on my skin, but I also let this one girl at work sample it and it went well for her .
    1969 from the same company went well on my skin. It was a happy and uplifting fragrance , but on her skin, nope .

    I am a little worried that you'll be listening to peoples advice,mine included , then when the time comes , you'll have remorse, and may not trust ,
    if the experience doesn't go well.
    Mmmmm, let's see , I remember when I would go to the fragrance fountains at the mall a little from robes,
    and I felt indifferent to what I was smelling , for the person at the counter would tell me that this has a nice balance of woods & spices etc.
    I myself didn't smell any woods , and some of the things I was smelling that everyone loved, I really didn't like.
    Invictus, Eros etc. and I was upset I believe because of my expectations .
    I am not saying that this is what it is, but there might be a hyped expectation here.
    the price may also have influence and could exacerbate some.

    So my experience at those fragrance fountains didn't go well for me , and thus I lost trust for a little bit.
    That changed for me when I stated sampling more and more , and started sharing experiences with others.
    Tauer's Vanilla Flash went ok on my skin , but was amazing on another's .

    So with time, namely me, things have changed.
    Yes OEll will change in the bottle some and get better, but it still might not be for you,
    and you might not be for it.

    I am sorry , I am kinda in a hurry , for I am running late once again.
    I am not saying you don't have experience , I am saying more about expectations may ruin experience .
    Molecule 001 , the ISO E Super was the same thing
    Oh boy , I'm late.
    yes thanks for your thoughts. im hoping ill find it different and like it if i try it again down the line, if not its not the end of the world.
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    I wore SM II and I am enjoying it more and more and more...

    I find scents like this take a nose adjustment. Where you begin comprehending more notes and subtleties than you did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrilledchilled View Post
    I wore SM II and I am enjoying it more and more and more...

    I find scents like this take a nose adjustment. Where you begin comprehending more notes and subtleties than you did before.
    True. I remember not liking Siberian Musk’s opening when I first got the bottle... Now it’s become one of my favourite phases. Same issues with Inverno Russo and Atlantic Ambergris. These fragrances do improve with age. Some people might argue they should not have been released /sold until they have attained a certain level of maturity. While that sounds entirely reasonable IMO these incremental improvements through the in-bottle aging process are part of the attraction of natural-based perfumery and shouldn’t be taken out of the overall customer experience. Pretty much like vintage wines.
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    Also I think natual-based perfumes like this tend to react more to the environment - heat, humidity - and so you get a wider variation that usual on different days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    True. I remember not liking Siberian Musk’s opening when I first got the bottle... Now it’s become one of my favourite phases.
    Something that I found I do with Areej & Bortnikoff releases that I don't seem to do with any other house is aggressively judge the new releases compared to my fav release of the house. All the attar, 4th collection, and SM2/OE2 releases, I couldn't help my brain from going "but I don't respond to this how I do Russian oud/Bonheur". That's an extremely tilted mindset to bring to a new release.


    Sprayed on Oud Luwak this morning to get my day started and it's a delicious aroma, but I remember at the peak of the 4th collection release hype, I was so hard on this one.
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    Sprayed on Oud Luwak this morning to get my day started and it's a delicious aroma, but I remember at the peak of the 4th collection release hype, I was so hard on this one.
    I think of it as an easy-wearing, comfort scent. Reminds me a lot of some Slumberhouse offerings.
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    Black Comme des Garçons, Borneo 1834 Serge Lutens, Patchouli Santa Maria Novella

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    Something that I found I do with Areej & Bortnikoff releases that I don't seem to do with any other house is aggressively judge the new releases compared to my fav release of the house. All the attar, 4th collection, and SM2/OE2 releases, I couldn't help my brain from going "but I don't respond to this how I do Russian oud/Bonheur". That's an extremely tilted mindset to bring to a new release.

    I think you have been rubbing off on me. I rediscovered a small Bonheur sample I had from Lucky Scent quite a while back and I have been enjoying that after rereading some of your posts. At first it didn't connect with me but lately I have really enjoyed it. In another piece of luck checking out a search engine I found 30ml of this gem in India which ships to the US. The cost was at a premium but for a sold out offering here stateside and on Bortnikoff's website I thought it would be a good investment for me.

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    I think you have been rubbing off on me. I rediscovered a small Bonheur sample I had from Lucky Scent quite a while back and I have been enjoying that after rereading some of your posts. At first it didn't connect with me but lately I have really enjoyed it. In another piece of luck checking out a search engine I found 30ml of this gem in India which ships to the US. The cost was at a premium but for a sold out offering here stateside and on Bortnikoff's website I thought it would be a good investment for me.
    Another reason for this is the complexity of the fragrances. I hate coffee, but once I get past that initial coffee blast, there is a lot to enjoy in Oud Lawak (although it isn't my favourite).
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    This is all about having fun. Nothing earth shattering about any of this stuff.

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    So anyway...

    Wearing OEII for the first time today. This is one of the densest things I've ever worn. There's a visceral sense of so much stuff being in there; it's almost claustrophobic during the opening in particular. Monolithic rose/musk/oud overlaid against a gigantic vintage white floral extrait (think Joy), meets spiced oriental. I'm also thinking of a spiced version of Auphorie Mayura, for those familiar. There's a note/material in there that's so strong I can taste it in the opening, which isn't very pleasant.

    The heart and base settles down considerably and arrives at a still powerful but less chaotic accord dominated by amber, musks and oud, with a hit of moss to keep it stout.

    Rose is still very much present, but oddly I can smell it far more clearly in my sillage vs. sniffing up close, and it's unpredictable. When it appears, it's a gorgeous nose, so full and wet. And then it disappears and we're back to the musk-oud oriental affair. Very strange, it's like a switch. I've never experienced an effect quite like this before.

    I am wearing 2.5-3 sprays, and I feel like an even lighter application might be key with this one. There's a harsh tone I can't ID (maybe related to what I was tasting early on) that continues to overlay the whole thing, so I can't say I'm loving this one. The rendition of rose on display here is what's impressing me.

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