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    I came across several sellers on ebay who seem to have an outstanding selection of high end decanted niche fragrances for extremely reasonable prices.... almost too reasonable actually. But one of the things that has me scratching my head is, all are from baku, azerbaijan and all have 100% feedback... Usually I wouldn't second guess the authenticity (being 100% fake that is) but the fact these sellers all have flawless 100% positive feedback has me stumped so I'm going to ask the pro's.... Is this stuff legit? Here's a few of the sellers...

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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    I believe they're clones and they only state that in a few of their listings. Usually if they offer an immediate refund they can avoid negative feedback or even get a negative feedback removed. I would never buy one of these because it's impossible to know what materials are in it.
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    I wouldn't buy from them. No way.

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    I got a fake tobacco oud from a decanter recently...Smelled like a spicy amber and was gone in 30 minutes. Now have a real bottle and the difference is obviois

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    EBay sellers don't run charities. If it's too good to be true...

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    Thanks guys... I won't deny I'm a bit disappointed. I've been communicating with the seller and they seem super nice. BUT when I ask if they're 100% authentic, they replied, "Hi
    Dear these 3 perfumes are original decanted oil based perfume."

    I guess I'm "dear" now....

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    Knowledgeable buyers know they are not original at that price, they are only buying them for the scent. If you want original, you will have to pay retail.

    Suleimans is a great middle east perfume oil supplier, I have many samples from them, great guys.

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    Has anything bad ever happened in Baku? Come on!

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    Do not buy from anyone in Azerbaijan on ebay. They sold me a severely watered down Roja decant. When I called the seller out, he still denied it, but refunded me in full. Even gave me double the amount of juice I paid for, to avoid suspicion. I think it should only make one more suspicious!

    The same operation keeps creating multiple usernames so they can peddle their shit. I report 'em every once in awhile when I see them, but ebay has more of an interest in looking the other way, since they still make money from the scammers' FVF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techt View Post
    Knowledgeable buyers know they are not original at that price, they are only buying them for the scent. If you want original, you will have to pay retail.

    Suleimans is a great middle east perfume oil supplier, I have many samples from them, great guys.
    Excuse me for saying, but great guys don't mislead people by slapping "Maison Francis Kurkdjian" on fakes hoping people without knowledge turns around and buys it. Not one of his ads State the words "replica" or "our version of". They're clearly purposefully trying to mislead people and that's totally uncool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hothamwater View Post
    Do not buy from anyone in Azerbaijan on ebay. They sold me a severely watered down Roja decant. When I called the seller out, he still denied it, but refunded me in full. Even gave me double the amount of juice I paid for, to avoid suspicion. I think it should only make one more suspicious!

    The same operation keeps creating multiple usernames so they can peddle their shit. I report 'em every once in awhile when I see them, but ebay has more of an interest in looking the other way, since they still make money from the scammers' FVF.
    Yeah you're right cause ive counted 9 sellers so far from Baku Azerbaijan. All sell the same knockoffs and all with 100% feedback. Mind altering how they maintain 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmichael02302 View Post
    Yeah you're right cause ive counted 9 sellers so far from Baku Azerbaijan. All sell the same knockoffs and all with 100% feedback. Mind altering how they maintain 100%
    $60 for an ounce of something that normally sells for $400+. Yeah, seems legitimate.

    They keep going until they get a few dings on their record, then they'll delete that account. They will beg you not to report or neg them & offer a full refund, and to let you keep their shitty watered down fragrance as a consolation. The other buyers probably just don't know what the scents are supposed to smell like to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmichael02302 View Post
    Yeah you're right cause ive counted 9 sellers so far from Baku Azerbaijan. All sell the same knockoffs and all with 100% feedback. Mind altering how they maintain 100%
    My experience - bought Clive Christian C from Russia. Taked risk but there was option to return item. When received item, bottle looked ok, but juice is extremely diluted or something else, so I returned it to seller. Seller not refunded, but because Paypal protection I got money back. Thing is - all this took more thand 60days and after that you cannot leave feedback to seller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techt View Post
    Knowledgeable buyers know they are not original at that price, they are only buying them for the scent. If you want original, you will have to pay retail.

    Suleimans is a great middle east perfume oil supplier, I have many samples from them, great guys.
    I picked up 3 samples from Suleimans and the product was excellent. Before I purchased, I reached out to the vender and asked if it was legit. He replied that some are replica, some are legit, and some are "legit from manufacturer but unavailable to public"... that last bit actually made me wonder if this supplier had some connection that was hooking him up with the undiluted main scent or oil. I got a sample of Black Afgano, Aoud Safron and More Than Words. That's what he had available at the time I was looking, that I owned the 'real' fragrance to compare. What I received was spot on in smell.

    I also know other people that have purchased from this vendor specifically (Suleimans) and they shared the same spot on smell and performance to their originals, but, what they had purchased was oils of fragrance that is not sold as oils.

    I have no idea what reality is with this seller. And, admittedly, I haven't tried all of his offerings and I am skeptical of the overall picture. I'm especially skeptical when I see so many of his offerings are oil versions of originals that were never released as oil. But how is it that all the fragrances of people I know and trust, who have purchased from Suleimans, are receiving prodoct smelling exactly alike the original? NO replica house perfumer is that good to bat 1,000 of cloning. Hell, there aren't any clones that I've encountered that smell truly 100% exactly like the original.

    Techt, can you share your experience with how close the scents you got are? Perhaps you've experienced something different where the fragrance is close but not actually the exact same. Thanks in advance.

    Suleimans is the only one I have any experience with but I will tell you that, fake or not, I'm very impressed with the quality of what I got my nose on. Some of his offerings are not good deals though. When you look through his listings, some sell at market value and others are above market value. However some are considerable less expensive. And please everyone, understand that I am NOT recommending this seller. I'm simply sharing a very limited interaction with this seller,who not only sent me a product I was pleased with, but was also pleasant to communicate with. And yea, I'm still very skeptical. If anyone buys from Suleimans, do it at your own risk. I cannot recommend buying the product at this time simply because I don't fully understand what's going on behind the scenes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diddy View Post

    Techt, can you share your experience with how close the scents you got are? Perhaps you've experienced something different where the fragrance is close but not actually the exact same. Thanks in advance.

    Suleimans is the only one I have any experience with but I will tell you that, fake or not, I'm very impressed with the quality of what I got my nose on.

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    This is exactly the experience I had with Suleimans, also very impressed with the quality and scent of their products.
    I have the following, Roja Dove Amber Oud, Danger, Enigma, Scandal, Nasomatto Black Afgano, Duro, Pardon, Xerjoff Casamorati Mefisto and Armani Prive Oud Royal

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    I have bought a small decant / sample from marmoble on eBay. It was great and authentic. Not all sellers are bad. I have also sold decants on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techt View Post
    This is exactly the experience I had with Suleimans, also very impressed with the quality and scent of their products.
    I have the following, Roja Dove Amber Oud, Danger, Enigma, Scandal, Nasomatto Black Afgano, Duro, Pardon, Xerjoff Casamorati Mefisto and Armani Prive Oud Royal
    I bought from Suleimans recently and I’m also impressed. Not 100% sure if real, but whatever he sent, they’re all very good.
    I got the By Kilian Black Phantom / Nasomatto Baraonda / Ajmal Amber Wood pack.
    Arrived relatively quickly from Baku to NY.
    I’ll find out for sure soon if they’re authentic, but to be honest the price was so low, it’s not going to piss me off or anything if they’re clones.
    I also found he was very friendly and nice to communicate with.
    Also same sentiment as above, I’m not recommending him, just sharing my personal experience.
    Ive been sold 100% fakes before that are complete garbage, one was literally watered down febreeze...Suliemans scents are, to say the least, not that, at least the three he sent me...They are complex blends, they project well and have decent longevity. I want to believe that they’re authentic but the rationalist in me requires verification. I ordered official samples of two out of three, I can’t find anyone legit selling Ajmal samples in the USA unfortunately — but anyway, I’ll find out soon enough report back.

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    Received two decants from TPC just now, Baraonda and Black Phantom
    Suleimans are spot on, exactly the same, authentic for these!
    I’m thinking about getting another one of these actually (the three pack), I’ve got lots of compliments on the Ajmal and he said he’d send some samples from them
    I’m changing my view, I now do recommend ordering from him.
    He seems like a great dude too, so I’m sure if what you got wasn’t what you expected he would find some way to rectify it.

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    They are all clones. It's not possible to sell an authentic fragrance unusually cheap. The perfume manufacturers provide a wholesale price to distributors. Sellers must quality to access those rates and conform to retail rates.

    These are all cheap copies and if you add them side-by-side they don't actually smell particularly similar. From memory they may appear similar but not when you have the actual original in front of you. And regarding feedback. eBay automatically adds 100% if people don't provide feedback within a certain time period. eBay also has a lot of restrictions on adding negative feedback. The feedback means nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNX View Post
    They are all clones. It's not possible to sell an authentic fragrance unusually cheap. The perfume manufacturers provide a wholesale price to distributors. Sellers must quality to access those rates and conform to retail rates.

    These are all cheap copies and if you add them side-by-side they don't actually smell particularly similar. From memory they may appear similar but not when you have the actual original in front of you. And regarding feedback. eBay automatically adds 100% if people don't provide feedback within a certain time period. eBay also has a lot of restrictions on adding negative feedback. The feedback means nothing.
    I've only had experience with Suleiman, and from what I've ordered from him, his are definitely authentic and not clones.
    Also, there are back distribution channels that folks can access if they are savvy enough...I know another seller on eBay who gets By Kilian tester refills dirt cheap...they're only supposed to be ordered by department stores and authorized BK resellers, and not sold to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmichael02302 View Post
    I came across several sellers on ebay who seem to have an outstanding selection of high end decanted niche fragrances for extremely reasonable prices.... almost too reasonable actually. But one of the things that has me scratching my head is, all are from baku, azerbaijan and all have 100% feedback... Usually I wouldn't second guess the authenticity (being 100% fake that is) but the fact these sellers all have flawless 100% positive feedback has me stumped so I'm going to ask the pro's.... Is this stuff legit? Here's a few of the sellers...

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    I guess there are lot of people who are also surprised to see the prices quoted online. Some perfumes are quoted half or even at one third of the original price, that is too good to be true. I am on the same boat man, no logic matching here, as the original price is quoted on the perfume house's official website and other reputed shops price quotations are almost the same.. I guess we should buy it from a reputed store, although I know how pricey these niche fragrances are, it costs arm and a leg. But to rule out/ dismiss all heistency and doubt, we should buy it from authorised shops or from the house websites. Whatever happens, say if it is watered down, reformulated etc. but you are buying from authorised dealer, and that will give you / us purchase satisfaction and assurance. That's the only way. Recently I have spent over 2500 dollars for purchasing some niche fragrance, all from authrised shops,to avoid any doubt. Still 2/3 of them not performing than they expected to be. I am new in this group. If you have more suggestions, kindly help me. I understand your thoughts totally.

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    Want to bump this thread since I've had recent experiense with Suleimans store on eBay too, and can also vouch for it. At least the first 4 decants I got seemed like the real deal. I have not tried the verified 4 real fragrances to compare to the decants though, but they definitely smelled a lot different from each other, and complex, notes spot on from what I can tell of the perfumes descriptions and reviews - not like a cheap knock off-attempt. And second, the price was not really a bargain - it was a higher price than you can get the perfumes for buying a full bottle, so there doesn't need to be a scam going on for this to be profitable. I buy the samples after all to just try out some I am wondering about, and don't want to blind buy a bottle, so I pay gladly a little more to be able to get 10 ml as opposed to 100ml. I'll get a sample of something I own as well so that I might verify it - I suspect that the stuff will match perfectly. From the descriptions and from what I smell, they seem too high quality and too similar in description that it seems like it would be way more work to pull this off than just doing what they say they do - buy and decant perfume.

    One thing that I am suspicious of though is the Roja-perfumes. Will get some samples of these too, these are the only ones I can tell that they sell so incredibly cheap compared to the real stuff that I can't imagine that they are real. But from the quality of these other ones, I suspect I might get something that smells wonderful nevertheless.

    But another thing that I ponder is this: Perfumeries has to have a production in a high quantity. A lot of people has to be involved in making the stuff, and stuff about this production needs to be communicated. I know in audio - good studio head-sets are patented and branded but the guys in the countries making the speakers find loopholes in the law, making them able to produce just as good quality-speakers, repackage it in a cheaper frame and with another name, and voila they can sell something that sounds way better than it should when you look at the price-tag - because it is the same stuff going on underneath the hood so to speak, but few enough suspect it so they don't trump the market. After all, the big brands outsourced the production to countries where the labor is cheap anyway, but the guys producing it aren't stupid - but if they can sell what they make for themselves, they can lower the price a lot, and what they get will be better than whatever pennies the big brands give them - so _obviously_ they'd look for any loophole they can to do that.

    I don't know the perfume-business at all from the inside though, so this is just wild speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmichael02302 View Post
    I came across several sellers on ebay who seem to have an outstanding selection of high end decanted niche fragrances for extremely reasonable prices.... almost too reasonable actually. But one of the things that has me scratching my head is, all are from baku, azerbaijan and all have 100% feedback... Usually I wouldn't second guess the authenticity (being 100% fake that is) but the fact these sellers all have flawless 100% positive feedback has me stumped so I'm going to ask the pro's.... Is this stuff legit? Here's a few of the sellers...

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    Recently I had the following issue with one of the decanted perfumes sellers originating from Azerbaijan (with 100% positive feedback):

    1. Item arrived late at least 1 week,
    2. The perfume was (haha,of course) diluted or old, and not authentic.

    The seller issued an immediate refund, however, in order to warn another buyers, I've posted 100% true negative review stating late arrival.
    My review was !!!removed by eBay!!! with no valid explanation.
    I can only guess how these seller was able to ask eBay to remove the negative review!
    So please avoid and don't trust 100% positive eBay reviews at all!!! Do not buy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by irinadanko View Post
    So please avoid and don't trust 100% positive eBay reviews at all!!! Do not buy!
    +1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pertinax View Post

    One thing that I am suspicious of though is the Roja-perfumes. Will get some samples of these too, these are the only ones I can tell that they sell so incredibly cheap compared to the real stuff that I can't imagine that they are real. But from the quality of these other ones, I suspect I might get something that smells wonderful nevertheless.

    Bought Enigma off of here, and bought a genuine Roja-bottle for comparison, and I have to say - this smells indistinguishable. I can't really do anything but speculate on how it's done, but I am continuing to buy decants from these guys - good stuff.

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    On the general topic of eBay sellers, I've been toying with an idea, and if anyone thinks it's viable I might go ahead and do it - I like a few of Creed's offerings (Aventus, Original Santal, GIT, MI, a few others), but buying a normal sized bottle seems prohibitively expensive, with the smallest offerings being around $310 for 1.7oz

    What I thought about doing is buying one of the larger 500ml flacons (approximately 17oz), getting decent sprayers and selling 1oz bottles for $100, essentially using the flacon to pay for itself - I'd keep the last ounce or two for myself so that I have a nice collection that, while a large initial cost, doesn't end up breaking my wallet, and it lets broke-asses similar to myself grab more than a 5ml decant off of myperfumesamples or somewhere else.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by treyshua View Post

    What I thought about doing is buying one of the larger 500ml flacons (approximately 17oz), getting decent sprayers and selling 1oz bottles for $100, essentially using the flacon to pay for itself - I'd keep the last ounce or two for myself so that I have a nice collection that, while a large initial cost, doesn't end up breaking my wallet, and it lets broke-asses similar to myself grab more than a 5ml decant off of myperfumesamples or somewhere else.

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    I'm pretty sure it's been done before by others. If you are willing to invest the time and the money...
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