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    Default Shiseido Men - Enduring Subtlety

    As I'm going through my collection and slowly revisiting and reviewing fragrances, I decided to tackle what is probably my most off-beat and obscure but "mainstream" fragrance:

    Shiseido Men

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    There have been several threads on this one:

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/172...-the-fragrance

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/169768-Shiseido-Men

    Here is a close-up of the bottle:

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    Very cool. It's somewhat prism-like in person, and magnifies the sprayer from different angles.

    It's not that expensive - here is the Shiseido shopping site page, as well as the translation:

    https://www.shiseido.co.jp/sw/c/sw/p...hin_ctlg_kbn=1

    Shiseido_Men_Web_Page_Japanese.jpg

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    There was a nice review of this, years ago, on NST:

    http://www.nstperfume.com/2006/03/21...grance-review/

    I'll talk about the scent itself in subsequent posts. Does anybody else have this, or sniffed this? It's somewhat more available now than it was in 2006, now that there are export-import stores and world-wide shippers moving these things around. I got mine on a trip to Japan - picked it up in a "mega-store" (grocery / pharmacy / dry goods / Walmart / Giant Eagle / Target) in a smaller city. However, looking for images, I found them in several online stores.
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    Haven't had a chance to try this one but it does sound interesting.
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    Default Re: Shiseido Men - Enduring Subtlety

    I did not even know this scent existed. As a person enjoying quiet scents, this sounds good.

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    Thank you for that. I didn’t know it existed either. Is this one of their Japan exclusive scents? I know they have some like that in the feminine range.
    There was also a line made in, and exclusive to, China! I’m going to try and look for this out there.
    I really enjoy Basala and Zen for men. Not so much the other older ones Bravas and Tactics.
    And apparently their re-releasing a limited quantity of MG5 (no idea about the notes).
    Currently wearing: Zen for Men by Shiseido

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    First time hearing of this one. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    Haven't had a chance to try this one but it does sound interesting.
    It's an interesting one for sure. It was a completely unexpected find and a blind buy for me. I like the fact that they were playing with bamboo and hinoki - well before both CdG Monocle Scent 01: Hinoki and Gucci Bamboo. Well priced, it turned out to be one of my better souvenirs of that trip.

    Quote Originally Posted by CapriDog View Post
    I did not even know this scent existed. As a person enjoying quiet scents, this sounds good.
    It's a nice one. Possibly the most subtle cinnamon scent I've ever smelled. The cinnamon and nutmeg are on the edge of perception, although right after spraying it, there was enough sillage that my wife noticed cinnamon and asked where it was coming from! Those spices are at about the same level as the hinoki and the musk, so that it creates a very unique melange which isn't really "spicy" per se. Fairly well blended, but not so much that the pieces can't be distinguished with some effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renaissance_Man View Post
    Thank you for that. I didn’t know it existed either. Is this one of their Japan exclusive scents? I know they have some like that in the feminine range.
    There was also a line made in, and exclusive to, China! I’m going to try and look for this out there.
    I really enjoy Basala and Zen for men. Not so much the other older ones Bravas and Tactics.
    And apparently their re-releasing a limited quantity of MG5 (no idea about the notes).
    I believe that it IS indeed a Japan exclusive, although I also believe the various companies which specialize in exporting such things to Japanese expats around the world carry it. I'll take a look and see if I can locate a worldwide shipper, and will post if I find one that looks reliable.

    A Chinese line! I would not doubt it!

    I have never smelled Basala, but I like Zen for Men, and I have Tactics, too - love that one. My fave Japanese cologne is Valcan from Kanebo - I will definitely try to pick up another bottle next chance I get, because I think Kanebo is ready to discontinue that "old man" scent! Not nice!!!

    I saw the ads for the new MG5 - I will be on the lookout for that, too!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    First time hearing of this one. Thanks for the info.
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    I bought this in Japan many years ago as was intrigue by this release. This one is really interesting as it is has notes of Hachiku bamboo and hinoki cypress notes. I have always love cypress notes and this one has such radiant soft notes in a harmonious aura and promotes a sense of calm. This transports me to a Zen like quality that evokes the serene tranquility of Kyoto - perhaps this should have been named Zen instead? A little leaflet accompanies the bottle in which there is a statements which says: 'Formulated with Modified Valerian and Tea Rose Element, fragrance elements that inspire deep relaxation and positive feelings' - the capital letters are as presented in the leaflet. I would have liked to see this as the male fragrance counterpart of the Zen (in white pearlescence bottle - one of my most treasured scents). All the same, really pleased with this release under any name to be used for quite times to connect with yourself.

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    Default Re: Shiseido Men - Enduring Subtlety

    There are a few on Ebay at a small markup.

    Also Rakuten seems to have it, with international shipping fees:

    https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/...4514254218440/

    Apparently available through the Japanese Duty Free in Narita - and one can pre-order to make sure it's there:

    https://duty-free-japan.jp/narita/en...sCD=1007640302

    Amazon.co.jp has it, although I'm not sure about shipping. We've used them for non-fragrances before - no problem shipping internationally.

    https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E8%B3%87%E.../dp/B008WVC0H0

    Found a great Japanese blog post on the fragrance, too!

    https://minkymoon.jp/2016/07/02/post-11670/
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    Default Re: Shiseido Men - Enduring Subtlety

    Quote Originally Posted by aaz View Post
    I bought this in Japan many years ago as was intrigue by this release. This one is really interesting as it is has notes of Hachiku bamboo and hinoki cypress notes. I have always love cypress notes and this one has such radiant soft notes in a harmonious aura and promotes a sense of calm. This transports me to a Zen like quality that evokes the serene tranquility of Kyoto - perhaps this should have been named Zen instead? A little leaflet accompanies the bottle in which there is a statements which says: 'Formulated with Modified Valerian and Tea Rose Element, fragrance elements that inspire deep relaxation and positive feelings' - the capital letters are as presented in the leaflet. I would have liked to see this as the male fragrance counterpart of the Zen (in white pearlescence bottle - one of my most treasured scents). All the same, really pleased with this release under any name to be used for quite times to connect with yourself.
    Thank you! Yes - it's a very serene and calming scent, that invites one to be still and aware to sense it. I loved that little booklet, too. The case is very nice but something of an annoyance, because it's very difficult to pick up with the fragrance still in it. But I still love the case and the bottle.

    Yes - this might have made a nice Zen flanker for export to the West!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Thank you! Yes - it's a very serene and calming scent, that invites one to be still and aware to sense it. I loved that little booklet, too. The case is very nice but something of an annoyance, because it's very difficult to pick up with the fragrance still in it. But I still love the case and the bottle.

    Yes - this might have made a nice Zen flanker for export to the West!
    It's great to see someone enjoying this wonderful scent as well. Totally agree with the packaging - always fearful of dropping the bottle when picking up the plastic container!

    By the way, do you have 'We're for men'? One of the fragrance sites mentioned that it was made by Maurice Roucel. A lovely soft breezy scent as well along the lines of Shiseido Men, this one is about 'A Sweet, woody scent lingering lightly in the breeze' - rather energising and uplifting, very peaceful. Love the concept of Shiseido to personify a more genteel approach to fragrances ....

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    I own this one, too, and enjoy it a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaz View Post
    It's great to see someone enjoying this wonderful scent as well. Totally agree with the packaging - always fearful of dropping the bottle when picking up the plastic container!

    By the way, do you have 'We're for men'? One of the fragrance sites mentioned that it was made by Maurice Roucel. A lovely soft breezy scent as well along the lines of Shiseido Men, this one is about 'A Sweet, woody scent lingering lightly in the breeze' - rather energising and uplifting, very peaceful. Love the concept of Shiseido to personify a more genteel approach to fragrances ....
    Wow! I had never even heard of that scent - nor its feminine partner! Maurice Roucel! Wow. Yeah, there's a lost classic right there. Bet it's Malle-level genius with a Japanese aesthetic. Probably impossible to find. But thanks for the tip!

    The one I'm interested in sniffing is Ever Bloom. VERY curious what that's like. Not so much to own, but to see what Shiseido is up to! Love the perfumer, too. He's done some very interesting stuff.

    http://www.shiseido.co.jp/cms/onlineshop/gb/i/sbl/

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    They say it's in Europe, but will it come to the US? I do see it on Amazon and Overstock already!

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    This is what it looks like in person, here's mine:


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    Sounds great. I love minimal scents that feature spices.

    Would you compare this at all, Redneck, to White by Comme des Garcons or Cinnamon Series 5: Sherbet by Comme des Garcons?
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    Default Re: Shiseido Men - Enduring Subtlety

    Quote Originally Posted by Russlan View Post
    This is what it looks like in person, here's mine:

    Very nice! I think your picture shows some of the lens-like and prism-like effects of the glass and the plastic top right there.



    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Sounds great. I love minimal scents that feature spices.

    Would you compare this at all, Redneck, to White by Comme des Garcons or Cinnamon Series 5: Sherbet by Comme des Garcons?
    I wish I could offer a solid comparison, Mike, but I have ALMOST completely forgotten what White smelled like when I sniffed it in Barney's, years ago, and I am pretty sure that I never smelled ANY of the Cinnamon Series. However, I'm almost certain that Shiseido Men is even more subtle than White, however subtle that might have been. The spices are also more subtle than those in Theorema, I know from having worn them both recently. Much more subtle, I would say.

    In fact, the thing that's striking to me is that the cinnamon in Shiseido Men is so subtle, it almost doesn't smell like cinnamon at all. I remember the first time I smelled it, I simply thought the whole thing was weird, weak, and a bit musky, like a slightly "off" laundry musk. It almost smelled bad. I put it back in the drawer the next day and told myself it was just one more blind buy that didn't really pay off. But later, happily, I used a bit more and wore it a bit further from my nose, to avoid any olfactory fatigue. That allowed me to discern the individual notes, and form a more coherent picture of the scent. Once I got the spices, though faint, it became very enjoyable. The hinoki, too!

    The hinoki in Shiseido Men is much, much weaker than that in Monocle Scent 01: Hinoki. In fact, I'd say it's not much more than the hinoki in those cute little cubic wooden sake cups that are made of the stuff, and smell very faintly of hinoki by the time they make it to market and appear on store shelves. Sometimes I'm not sure I can even get the hinoki in those things, and that is pretty much the level in the fragrance.

    The nutmeg, likewise - very weak. The bamboo, to my nose, is just an oddness in the whole thing, much like Gucci Bamboo has some kind of initial woody oddness that I assume is the bamboo note. The rest - not so apparent, except the musk - THAT comes through loud and clear, even when sniffing right next to skin, where the other notes tend to disappear relative to it.

    To be honest, most BNers won't like this one, and I have to caution them. It's just the absolute opposite of what people here like - beast mode masculines, respected niche, and vintage classics. Even Ellena transparency seems strong next to it. I just wore Creed Royal Water, and that stuff feels powerhouse next to Shiseido Men! LOL! I struggle to come up with any other scent in my wardrobe which is so faint. And yet - that faintness has distinct and very intentional longevity! This faint fragrance hangs on long and strong!

    Great stuff, but conceptually challenging to what a fragrance is supposed to be.

    Very glad to own it!
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