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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastka View Post
    I just purchased some Shoyedo Nanzan / Southern Mountain and Nokiba / Moss Garden. Hopefully, the order should arrive by the end of the week!



    Yeah, I've tried it with the mica plates I've mentioned previously, and it's hit and miss, and hit and miss for such an expensive ingredient isn't good enough. Apart from that, I'm not even sure I like oud in it's pure form, and I do have several pure oil samples (admittedly the animalistic hindi variety). Hence my train of thought is that a more restrained, 'Japanese' approach to oud / aloeswood may be what I need. Thanks for the other suggestions - will for sure check them out



    Hi, see post #10, or:

    http://www.alfaransi.com/10-mica-pla...9mm-1491-p.asp

    However, you need to double check whether they ship to the USA, but they should do. They are small, but fit neatly over a charcoal disk.
    Thanks, I just put in an order!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    I wonder if you have investigated the Yamadamatsu line. It is another traditional house. The Shuju line appeals to me. There are six varieties, based on Kyara at the top and other kinds of aloes wood for the others. I went through a whole box of Shuju Rakoku. I got a sampler of the others, but they all kind of seemed the same (although I didn't get the kyara, which is more expensive than the rest). I have the Amakuchi body powder, but I think the Shoyeido Tokusen is better.

    Of course, I am a fan of Shoyeido. I would like to have a big box of En Mei (circle) and Sei Fu (Fresh Breeze). If you want to spend the whole wad on a large box, this is one possibility. I like these (and also Haku-un White Cloud) better than the low-end Premium sticks. The three top-end premium sticks are not available for on-line sale as per Shoyeido's policy--maybe conserving supplies of precious woods. So I have been trying to conserve my small holdings of these three (Sho Kaku Translucent Path, Myoho Infinity, and Go Un Five Clouds).

    My own order is on its way--I got Enkuu (also meaning circle!) by Tennendo. This is their high-end aloeswood blend. I looked on the Tennendo site, and Enkuu is no longer there. So, you might want to pick up one of those in case it will become unavailable. Tennendo is also famous for frankincense in the form of both drops and sticks. My order also includes single rolls of Shingon and Kukai--I have never tried these but they appeal to my interest in Shingon Buddhism. I have had samples of the Karafune line--maybe gold and silver? I liked it, and might buy a box sometime.

    Minori-en is another good line. I especially like Chokoh no. 5. I have not tried the Kunpu line.

    Well, I hope that gives you some ideas!

    Tsuzumi,
    No, I never tried the Yamadamatsu house. That will be for another purchase. I'm getting ready to make this next one next Friday. Ugh, the wait!

    The man at japanincense is so nice. I was missing a $12 box of Ylang Ylang by Diasisu and he thought he didn't include the Gyro Clouds and he was very apologetic and said he would send it out right away. Of course I told him that I had that, and he still didn't understand. Finally, I was able to get to him, but i was one inche from a great freebie. my conscious wouldn't stand for it though! It would be a complete rejection of my beliefs. I'm glad I convicned him it was only the ylang ylang i was missing. He sent it wrapped!


    En Mei (circle) is on my hit list, but ..is it very different than Sei-fu (fresh breeze)? I don't know, I've read different things. I used to dislike Fresh Breeze and now I'm addicted to it.

    The smokless line of Shoyeido is quite amazing. Grossmar has this bitter note to it, and illusions are outstanding black musty dust. Fabulous!

    Let me know about Circles and Fresh Breeze.

    JoeV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    Hi, Natsuka! The page you linked features Shoyeido, one of the most famous Kyoto-based makers. Everything I have tried is excellent. Looking at that page, Nokiba has a rather sweet benzoin scent. Kyozakura is a spicy sandalwood. Gozan is a classic sandalwood, on the dry side. These are all traditional sandalwood-based blends. Haku-un is also in this tradition, with an extra touch of distinctive spice that may be suggestive of aloes wood (but doesn't actually have aloes wood, at that price!). The Xiang Do line is based on florals and other less tradtional scents. I don't have much experience with these, but they are probably good. The Incense Road series is very good. The Nanzan is one of the best frankincense sticks I know. Well, I would say you can't go wrong with anything on this page!

    Nastka,

    The Xiang line is quite good, but the stick are very short. There's no other word to describe the scents other than dense. The sticks are thick and dense as well. they burn for about 7-10 mins. The best seller of this line is Palo, and i bought a box and indeed it is very good. The vanila is not to be missed however, as it is the smell of the actuall vanilla bean, and therfore not sweet at all. it's dark and animalic.

    I hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastka View Post
    I just purchased some Shoyedo Nanzan / Southern Mountain and Nokiba / Moss Garden. Hopefully, the order should arrive by the end of the week!



    Yeah, I've tried it with the mica plates I've mentioned previously, and it's hit and miss, and hit and miss for such an expensive ingredient isn't good enough. Apart from that, I'm not even sure I like oud in it's pure form, and I do have several pure oil samples (admittedly the animalistic hindi variety). Hence my train of thought is that a more restrained, 'Japanese' approach to oud / aloeswood may be what I need. Thanks for the other suggestions - will for sure check them out



    Hi, see post #10, or:

    http://www.alfaransi.com/10-mica-pla...9mm-1491-p.asp

    However, you need to double check whether they ship to the USA, but they should do. They are small, but fit neatly over a charcoal disk.



    try these ;-)

    https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-200Pcs...+plate+incense

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    Quote Originally Posted by joev View Post
    Nastka,

    The Xiang line is quite good, but the stick are very short. There's no other word to describe the scents other than dense. The sticks are thick and dense as well. they burn for about 7-10 mins. The best seller of this line is Palo, and i bought a box and indeed it is very good. The vanila is not to be missed however, as it is the smell of the actuall vanilla bean, and therfore not sweet at all. it's dark and animalic.

    I hope that helps!
    I'm very tempted by the vanilla now. I just had a look and there's even a Coffee fragranced incense variety. I wonder whether that's any good...

    ...and down the rabbit hole I go

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    I've was at Portobello Road market recently and smells from The HennaDen https://www.thehennaden.co.uk/ wafted their way to me. They had all sorts including lumps of frankincense. They have various premium sticks and are absolutely passionate about what they do. I bought a number and particularly love the "Oudh" sticks.
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    I'll try the coffee one for you now (i have a sampler pack), and let you know. But Nippon Kodo's Fragrant Memories Paris Cafe is expresso all the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastka View Post
    I'm very tempted by the vanilla now. I just had a look and there's even a Coffee fragranced incense variety. I wonder whether that's any good...

    ...and down the rabbit hole I go
    yep, i have two boxes of the vanilla. I hear that Palo and Marine were their best sellers. The Agarwood is okay, but not much throw for an incense, and not very stinky, like pure aloeswood should be. Actually, none of these carry much throw--I just burned the tea this morning. No luck in scenting a 325 sq ft room.

    They are meant to be burned beside you. The smoke falls to the ground, not always up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joev View Post
    I'll try the coffee one for you now (i have a sampler pack), and let you know. But Nippon Kodo's Fragrant Memories Paris Cafe is expresso all the way...
    the coffee is quite good and resembles a fresh, hot cup without cream or sugar. but it's not as good as the Paris Cafe. I guess coffee is easy to do. Again though, it doesn't fill the room with scent. Yull have better luck with Fragrant Memories for perfumed sticks. They fill my entire room. They are twice as long as the Xiang Do line, and just as thick. They burn llike regular sticks though since the are not dense,pressed incense like Xiang. I would say its 55-45. Its very close. Shoyeido does have a history that FM doesn't.

    In addition, the coffee is almost done and theres a light fragrance in the air. Not as overpowering as FM....so it depends on what you like....strong or gentle?

    JoeV.

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    I just happen to have a box of this coffee:

    https://www.nipponkodostore.com/Arom...ee-p/23601.htm

    It is certainly light, but very pleasant. I usually burn three sticks at once. The coffee is spicy but not strong, on top of a basic incense smell. Price is reasonable to burn three stix at once. It is a good way to start the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    I just happen to have a box of this coffee:

    https://www.nipponkodostore.com/Arom...ee-p/23601.htm

    It is certainly light, but very pleasant. I usually burn three sticks at once. The coffee is spicy but not strong, on top of a basic incense smell. Price is reasonable to burn three stix at once. It is a good way to start the morning.
    Tszuzumi,

    I eyeballed these, but coffee isn't my favorite. have you tried the green tea? unfortunately, I do love me some strong incense. Light and delicate can be appealing, especially when meditating close to your pot of incense, but i love strong stuff, like Shoyeido's Circle. Two sticks of that fume the room.

    Joe

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    It looks like the Nippon Kodo coffee is often sold as a set with green tea incense. Both were available, but I have another brand of green tea incense, so I didn't need it. Also, green tea doesn't really have the kind of smell that can translate into incense, so it's kinda like the cherry blossom scent, they just try to create an image or impression. The kind of green tea incense I have is Baikundo, I got it from Japan Incense. It is made from Binchotan charcoal, a famous kind of Japanese charcoal. They claim that the charcoal incense generates negative ions, which will deodorize the air. Actually, most low smoke/'smokeless' incense is based on charcoal, but usually not with any particular brand of charcoal. I agree that Shoyeido's Circle is powerful. Another Shoyeido, Tenpyo, is also strong, and actually has some aloeswood in it, I think. (the company is not very forthcoming on their ingredients). I find the Kumo no Sho and Kaze no Sho are pretty strong, with a good afterglow, as is a related one, Ume Shoin.

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    " Shoyedo Nanzan / Southern Mountain and Nokiba / Moss Garden."

    Did you get these yet? Very happy for you, as I love both. Moss Garden especially has an earthy, pleasant vibe to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    It looks like the Nippon Kodo coffee is often sold as a set with green tea incense. Both were available, but I have another brand of green tea incense, so I didn't need it. Also, green tea doesn't really have the kind of smell that can translate into incense, so it's kinda like the cherry blossom scent, they just try to create an image or impression. The kind of green tea incense I have is Baikundo, I got it from Japan Incense. It is made from Binchotan charcoal, a famous kind of Japanese charcoal. They claim that the charcoal incense generates negative ions, which will deodorize the air. Actually, most low smoke/'smokeless' incense is based on charcoal, but usually not with any particular brand of charcoal. I agree that Shoyeido's Circle is powerful. Another Shoyeido, Tenpyo, is also strong, and actually has some aloeswood in it, I think. (the company is not very forthcoming on their ingredients). I find the Kumo no Sho and Kaze no Sho are pretty strong, with a good afterglow, as is a related one, Ume Shoin.


    Tell me more about this smokeless incense. I have some Sandalwood/Flowewrs smokless and I kind of dispise it because I can't watch the smoke wisp into the air and dissapate, one of my favorite things to do. It's very relaxing.

    But why smokless?

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    Does anyone have experience with Shoyeido's Refinement? Is it worth the $250 for a box of 35 sticks? Just curious....

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    Quote Originally Posted by joev View Post
    Tell me more about this smokeless incense. I have some Sandalwood/Flowewrs smokless and I kind of dispise it because I can't watch the smoke wisp into the air and dissapate, one of my favorite things to do. It's very relaxing.

    But why smokless?
    Why smokeless? Probably because consumers wanted it. In Japan, most families have a Buddhist altar enshrining the spirits of deceased family members. Every morning, the altar is cleaned and offerings of food, water, sometimes tea, and incense are made. So they feel an obligation to burn incense no matter what. But some people don't like the smoke. The less-smoke or smokeless (I don't think any of them are truly smokeless) are based on charcoal, and the fragrance comes mostly from oils rather than woods. So, there is a wider range of possible scents (like coffee or green tea), there is less smoke, and there is less use of expensive traditional wood ingredients. To me, the 'less smoke' feature is not important, but there are some that I like. I know what you mean about watching the smoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    Why smokeless? Probably because consumers wanted it. In Japan, most families have a Buddhist altar enshrining the spirits of deceased family members. Every morning, the altar is cleaned and offerings of food, water, sometimes tea, and incense are made. So they feel an obligation to burn incense no matter what. But some people don't like the smoke. The less-smoke or smokeless (I don't think any of them are truly smokeless) are based on charcoal, and the fragrance comes mostly from oils rather than woods. So, there is a wider range of possible scents (like coffee or green tea), there is less smoke, and there is less use of expensive traditional wood ingredients. To me, the 'less smoke' feature is not important, but there are some that I like. I know what you mean about watching the smoke.

    I am waiting for Gyokushodo Umeshoin Incense, large box. I think it's a 100 sticks and cost a pretty penny, but much less than the Shoyeido Refinement that I am thinking about buying. Have you tried it? I got a lot fo good reviews on the Olfactory Rescure website....

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    My order for Nokiba Moss Garden and Incense Road Nanzan just arrived. I must admit, when I saw the size of the Nanzan I was thinking 'I paid 14.00 for this? Seriosly, it'd better be worth it...'

    The size is just too cute - the incense sticks are short in style and the whole package fits into the palm of my hand. Not what I expected. The smell radiating of those sticks is gorgeous though.

    Anyway, I'll burn them later today to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joev View Post
    I am waiting for Gyokushodo Umeshoin Incense, large box. I think it's a 100 sticks and cost a pretty penny, but much less than the Shoyeido Refinement that I am thinking about buying. Have you tried it? I got a lot fo good reviews on the Olfactory Rescure website....
    I am not a big fan of Refinement. I think Ume Shoin is a much better investment. Refinement has lots of high-quality ingredients, the scent is good, but very light. Also, Shoyeido's US pricing policy makes it unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastka View Post
    My order for Nokiba Moss Garden and Incense Road Nanzan just arrived. I must admit, when I saw the size of the Nanzan I was thinking 'I paid 14.00 for this? Seriosly, it'd better be worth it...'

    The size is just too cute - the incense sticks are short in style and the whole package fits into the palm of my hand. Not what I expected. The smell radiating of those sticks is gorgeous though.

    Anyway, I'll burn them later today to see.
    I agree the scent is great. Yes, the sticks are small. Yes the price is high! If you go to Japan, the prices are roughly half of what we pay outside of Japan. that is Shoyeido's price policy. So, I wait until a friend is going to Japan and make a request (or I go to Japan myself!! ). I like to get the assortment pack of the Incense Road series, because I like all three. For some reason, I burn through a box of these quicker than others.

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    Tennendo is a traditional incense firm in Sakai, a port near Osaka where all kinds of imported materials, including incense ingredients, have been coming into Japan for centuries. The company name is three Chinese characters, which mean 'Natural, Year, Hall (or Pavillion).' Maybe it means natural materials, many years in business? Anyway, I just got a couple of these from Japan Incense: Shingon and Kuukai. Shingon is a lower-end traditional stick based on sandalwood and musk. The overall impression is very dry, almost bitter--it reminds me of an unfinished wooden box that has been in the attic for many years. That old wood smell. Having lived in Japan for many years, I have been to many temples, and this incense reminds me of old, wooden temple buildings. The Tennendo website (nothing in English, no sign of overseas shipments) says that it is used in temples, and they also say that you can burn it with another kind of incense to increase the impression. Shingon by itself is pretty pervasive. I think it is the kind of smell that will linger after it burns out.

    The website says that the musk is 'jako,' which means deer musk. However, on Olfactory Rescue, they say it is plant musk. So, if you are a vegan, you are taking your chances with this one. Actually, traditional Buddhist incense formulas have included a certain number of animal-sourced material--deer musk and seashell parts come to mind. Of course, these are getting quite expensive, so substitutions are attractive to the makers, when the substitution is a good reproduction of the original material, and especially if it is lower in price or more readily available. For me, the bottom line is I don't worry about it!

    Another incense this one reminds me of is Reiryokoh--Shingon is possibly even darker. A major component of Reiryokoh is fenugreek, which adds a sweeter spiciness to the mix. This is not evident in Shingon, but the basic impression is similar.

    I'll try Kuukai next. It is aloes-wood type, and it costs a bit more than Shingon. We'll see how it is.
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    Fred Soll's Incense is the only brand I like. He uses only all natural REAL resins and ingredients. Oprah and Aerosmith are big fans of his product.
    "Shut your mouth when you're talking to me" !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    Fred Soll's Incense is the only brand I like. He uses only all natural REAL resins and ingredients. Oprah and Aerosmith are big fans of his product.
    I have a small cache of Fred Soll products. I have two problems: 1. Can't get it to burn, even following the instructions on the website. 2. It just smells like a campfire to me. Maybe something wrong with my nose, I can't deny that. Does anyone else have experience with this line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    I am not a big fan of Refinement. I think Ume Shoin is a much better investment. Refinement has lots of high-quality ingredients, the scent is good, but very light. Also, Shoyeido's US pricing policy makes it unreasonable.
    thank you for helping me NOT make a mistake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuzumi View Post
    Tennendo is a traditional incense firm in Sakai, a port near Osaka where all kinds of imported materials, including incense ingredients, have been coming into Japan for centuries. The company name is three Chinese characters, which mean 'Natural, Year, Hall (or Pavillion).' Maybe it means natural materials, many years in business? Anyway, I just got a couple of these from Japan Incense: Shingon and Kuukai. Shingon is a lower-end traditional stick based on sandalwood and musk. The overall impression is very dry, almost bitter--it reminds me of an unfinished wooden box that has been in the attic for many years. That old wood smell. Having lived in Japan for many years, I have been to many temples, and this incense reminds me of old, wooden temple buildings. The Tennendo website (nothing in English, no sign of overseas shipments) says that it is used in temples, and they also say that you can burn it with another kind of incense to increase the impression. Shingon by itself is pretty pervasive. I think it is the kind of smell that will linger after it burns out.

    The website says that the musk is 'jako,' which means deer musk. However, on Olfactory Rescue, they say it is plant musk. So, if you are a vegan, you are taking your chances with this one. Actually, traditional Buddhist incense formulas have included a certain number of animal-sourced material--deer musk and seashell parts come to mind. Of course, these are getting quite expensive, so substitutions are attractive to the makers, when the substitution is a good reproduction of the original material, and especially if it is lower in price or more readily available. For me, the bottom line is I don't worry about it!

    Another incense this one reminds me of is Reiryokoh--Shingon is possibly even darker. A major component of Reiryokoh is fenugreek, which adds a sweeter spiciness to the mix. This is not evident in Shingon, but the basic impression is similar.

    I'll try Kuukai next. It is aloes-wood type, and it costs a bit more than Shingon. We'll see how it is.


    Thanks, adding Shingon to my Japan Incense order! Sounds right up my alley!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    Fred Soll's Incense is the only brand I like. He uses only all natural REAL resins and ingredients. Oprah and Aerosmith are big fans of his product.
    I like his stuff, but I'm really into the Japanese stuff now. Also, his sticks are about $20. For about 40 bucks I can get a pound of the same resins and burn them in my censor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joev View Post
    I like his stuff, but I'm really into the Japanese stuff now. Also, his sticks are about $20. For about 40 bucks I can get a pound of the same resins and burn them in my censor.
    OK so now you've got to tell me where I can get those resins heheh!
    "Shut your mouth when you're talking to me" !

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    Try a torch lighter or gas stove to get them going, that's what I use. Maybe they need to dry out a little. I don't get any campfire smell from any of them.
    "Shut your mouth when you're talking to me" !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jclaxton78 View Post
    OK so now you've got to tell me where I can get those resins heheh!

    amazon! for real.

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    Okay, as promised, here is my impression of Kuukai by Tennendo. It is more expensive than Shingon, and it is supposed to have the fragrance of aloeswood. It is similar to Shingon in terms of strength! It starts off with a familiar-smelling musk, different from that in Shingon. But a moment later, the musk smell starts to meld into aloeswood, like it is creating, or maybe strengthening the impression of aloeswood. Also, there are spices including cinnamon and clove--but only hints, lurking in the background. It is pretty rich, maybe to the point where you might get tired of it if you burn too much. I think if you like Sanjusangedo temple incense, you might like this one.




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