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    Default Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Hello ladies and gentlemen. Have come to accept the fact that I simply don't care for the newer designer fragrances offered, and have really tried to. The exception would be Tom Ford, Grey Veviter. I would like to venture into trying niche frags, but have zero experience, having never ordered one (unless Acqua di Parma Colonia is considered niche).

    To give you an idea of my taste in fragrances, here are my favorites, and go to scents:

    1. Acqua di Parma Colonia
    2. Chanel Pour Monsieur (edt and edp)
    3. aramis (vintage)
    4. eau sauvage edt (just purchased and love)
    5. Tom Ford Grey Veviter, edp

    Occasionally enjoy Issey Miyake L'eau D'Issey pour home.

    Based on these being my favorites, which niche frags would you recommend that are not crazy expensive (under $150) Thank you!

    Classy, long lasting, and safe would be ideal. I will make and keep a list of you suggestions for future reference.

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    I would say don't be constrained by the price, but please try these if you really want to 'take it to the next level' -

    Ambre Sultan
    New York Intense
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    L'Homme Sage
    Piper Nigrum
    Christopher Street

    Most of niche is waste of $$$, the charm wears off quickly. You might want to explore vintages.
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Hello ladies and gentlemen. Have come to accept the fact that I simply don't care for the newer designer fragrances offered, and have really tried to. The exception would be Tom Ford, Grey Veviter. I would like to venture into trying niche frags, but have zero experience, having never ordered one (unless Acqua di Parma Colonia is considered niche).

    To give you an idea of my taste in fragrances, here are my favorites, and go to scents:

    1. Acqua di Parma Colonia
    2. Chanel Pour Monsieur (edt and edp)
    3. aramis (vintage)
    4. eau sauvage edt (just purchased and love)
    5. Tom Ford Grey Veviter, edp

    Occasionally enjoy Issey Miyake L'eau D'Issey pour home.

    Based on these being my favorites, which niche frags would you recommend that are not crazy expensive (under $150) Thank you!

    Classy, long lasting, and safe would be ideal. I will make and keep a list of you suggestions for future reference.
    It would appear that you like classic scents?? Bois du Portugal would be the obvious choice. That's if you class Creed as niche?
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Apart from aramis, the other seem to be fresh and citrusy. That's probably not an area where niche shines relative to mainstream, but still there are several great ones within the price limit.

    For citrus-woody: said New York intense, Etat Libre d'Orange Je suis un homme. In the traditional (ie light, nonpersistent) eau de cologne style, Cologne Sologne and Cologne a l'italienne (or a la francaise).

    If you want to explore big leathers (since you like Aramis): Piguet Bandit, Knize Ten, ELdO Rien and Tom of Finland.

    As for brands, Diptyque tends to have a fresher, more natural style and is not difficult t find in the US. While I cannot think of any really good citrus, they have some worthy freshies like Ombre dans l'eau or Oyedo.

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by Man Of The World View Post
    It would appear that you like classic scents?? Bois du Portugal would be the obvious choice.
    Good suggestion. I'll add Le Galion Eau Noble. Super high quality mossy citrus with a definite old school vibe. Quite similar to vintage Monsieur Givenchy. There'd be overlap with Eau Sauvage and Pour Monsieur, but if you like the classic citrus cyphre genre, it's worth trying.

    You might like Maitre Parfmeur et Gantier as a house. They feel old school and rustic. Based on your taste, I'd start with Racine and maybe Centaure.
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    MFK Masculin Pluriel

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Here are some modern-yet-classic safe scents that you should try:

    Zegna - Sicilian Manadarin
    DS & Durga - Italian Citrus
    Annick Goutal - Les Nuits d'Hadrien
    Current Spring Favorites:

    1. Creed - Spice & Wood
    2. by Kilian - Straight to Heaven
    3. Dior - Vetiver
    4. Clive Christian - 1872 for Men
    5. Tom Ford - Rive d’Ambre
    6. Ermenegildo Zegna - Javanese Patchouli
    7. Les Nez - Turtle Vetiver Back
    8. Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver EDP
    9. Creed - Green Valley
    10. Parfumerie Generale - Grand Siecle Intense 7.1

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Terre D'Hermes EDP
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Cologne Sologne by Parfums de Nicolai
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    I suggest finding some niche HOUSES that are "your style".

    Possible houses (some already suggested).

    Annick Goutal
    Arquiste
    Acqua di Parma
    Lubin
    MFK
    MPG
    Parfums de Nicolai
    Santa Maria Novella
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    Mancera Cedrat Boise

    Amouage Sunshine Man

    Creeds are a pretty safe bet...Green Irish Tweed, Aventus, Royal Oud, Himalaya, etc...

    And has been mentioned, don't get too caught up in the concept of "niche". Some are amazing, true, but just because it's pricey doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna enjoy it more. I've sampled 3 Xerjoffs in the last 2 days. And, though well constructed and pleasant, I don't see myself springing for a full bottle of any of them.
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Niche is a funny animal, and on one hand emulates a craft approach focused on fundamentals and artistry like high-end spirits (i.e. craft beer), but on the other hand, can also devolve into paid-ego stroking both for the perfume house in question, and the clients that patronize it in an effort to feel superior by flaunting ownership/use (i.e. haunte couture brand).

    So what you have to remember is, some niche is expensive because of uncompromising ingredients and design that truly makes it niche, but some is just a status purchase, and you pay dearly for that shot in the arm of self-esteem. I won't say which brands are which in case you fall in love with something that's from a label known for it's pomp over it's perfume, but I will suggest ones I like based on your tastes.

    Creed Bois du Portugal (spendy though at over $200 but very classy)
    Amouage Jubilation 25 or XXV (feminine and masculine but both good on either sex)
    Serge Lutens Muscs Kublai Khan (a dirty musk)
    Lush Smuggler's Soul (vetivery and delicious)
    Penhaligon's Sartorial (a very nice ode to Victorian fougères)
    Ex-Idolo 33 (very rosy for folks who miss Ungaro I or Azzaro Acteur)
    Christian Dior Leather Oud (not -exactly- niche, but prive collections are designer's answer to niche and are super high quality. This ones very virile oud leather smell)
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    You have an amazing journey ahead and given that opinions on fragrance vary so widely, ultimately your choices are most important. Here’s a few niche darlings to explore:

    Creed Bois Du Portugal and Aventus
    Tauer L’air Du desert Marocain
    Maison Francis Kurkdjian Baccarat Rouge 540, Lumiere Noir Pour Homme and Mascuine Pluriel
    Tom Ford Oud Wood
    Nicolai New York Intense
    Nasomato Baraonda and Duro
    Chanel Sycomore
    Maitre Parfumeur et Gantier Parfum d’habit and Racine
    Guerlain Heritage

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    The Nicolai House is getting some mentions, and I would go along with that. They make a bunch of interesting fragrances that have an old-school, classic, gravitas feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    Most of niche is waste of $$$, the charm wears off quickly. You might want to explore vintages.
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    A lot of good suggestions made for you here. As mentioned by Zealot Crusader and freewheelingvagabond, niche is a bit of a complex dig. I am familiar with niche scents, yet only most recently have I dove into them with some depth, up until this point, usually going with decants and samples. About four years ago, I got a nice deal on a partial bottle of Creeds Green Irish tweed from a fellow Basenoter (It actually seemed to have over 100 mL left, so a super-partial? LOL), so I guess i moved into niche with (arguably) the most popular starter?

    So, In agreement with others, Creed's Bois du Portugal would be a good one to try. And some have mentioned the house of Parfums de Nicolai, I think you should check out New York. For something a little towards the edge pf the radar, perhaps Kinski EdT.

    Basenotes is a great place to start! I will say that being here, reading conversations, interacting, that's how I found many scents in the niche realm. Remember to enjoy the journey.
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    Sycomore is an outstanding vetiver

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Thank you SO much guys. I really appreciate your taking the time to share great suggestions. Will be ordering samples, and look forward to discovering a few new fragrances. You guys are great!

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by Richie_B View Post
    A lot of good suggestions made for you here. As mentioned by Zealot Crusader and freewheelingvagabond, niche is a bit of a complex dig. I am familiar with niche scents, yet only most recently have I dove into them with some depth, up until this point, usually going with decants and samples. About four years ago, I got a nice deal on a partial bottle of Creeds Green Irish tweed from a fellow Basenoter (It actually seemed to have over 100 mL left, so a super-partial? LOL), so I guess i moved into niche with (arguably) the most popular starter?

    So, In agreement with others, Creed's Bois du Portugal would be a good one to try. And some have mentioned the house of Parfums de Nicolai, I think you should check out New York. For something a little towards the edge pf the radar, perhaps Kinski EdT.

    Basenotes is a great place to start! I will say that being here, reading conversations, interacting, that's how I found many scents in the niche realm. Remember to enjoy the journey.
    Love your words, Richie_B, "Remember to enjoy the journey." Couldn't agree more. BTW, just watched the White Sox come from behind in a thriller to beat the Rangers. Noticed you live in Chicago. I was born and raised there. Spent more than 30 years living in the Lincoln Park and Wrigley areas. Living in Sacramento now, but a lot of my heart will always be in the Windy City. Great town.

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post

    Most of niche is waste of $$$, the charm wears off quickly.
    Quote Originally Posted by MegaMav View Post
    Winner winner.
    Niche is less about creativity, more about margin.
    Aww, c’mon guys, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. The niche segment has a lot to offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Niche is a funny animal, and on one hand emulates a craft approach focused on fundamentals and artistry like high-end spirits (i.e. craft beer), but on the other hand, can also devolve into paid-ego stroking both for the perfume house in question, and the clients that patronize it in an effort to feel superior by flaunting ownership/use (i.e. haunte couture brand).

    So what you have to remember is, some niche is expensive because of uncompromising ingredients and design that truly makes it niche, but some is just a status purchase, and you pay dearly for that shot in the arm of self-esteem. I won't say which brands are which in case you fall in love with something that's from a label known for it's pomp over it's perfume, but I will suggest ones I like based on your tastes.
    Exactly. If you go out and buy Phuong Dang for $400 a bottle or any other house that hires Bertrand Duchafour to quickly come up with an 8 fragrance line up in the first year, you deserve what you get.

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    Given your tastes (and not all of these are “niche”):
    In no particular order:

    1. Rive Gauche by Yves St Laurent (striped tin can preferred)
    2. Sartorial by Penhaligon’s
    3. Monsieur Balmain (frosted cylindrical bottle preferred)
    4. Homme de Gres
    5. Gucci PH II
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by NickZee View Post
    Aww, c’mon guys, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. The niche segment has a lot to offer.



    Exactly. If you go out and buy Phuong Dang for $400 a bottle or any other house that hires Bertrand Duchafour to quickly come up with an 8 fragrance line up in the first year, you deserve what you get.
    The kind of person buying that Phuong Dang is also probably buying those gold-dipped chicken wings that Kim Kardashian's friend whips up in NYC. Don't believe me? Google it for a laugh.

    A simpler way of looking at niche is to see it like any other market segment for any other product: there's the guy doing it because he enjoy it, and making a few bucks on top, then there's the guy selling snake oil for a fast buck.
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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Oh, and if you just want to jump the niche and go straight to craft perfumes (yes, there is some overlap, but less and less) let me suggest:
    Annette Neuffer (natural perfume)
    La via del Profumo (natural perfume)
    Bogue perfumery
    Bruno Fazzolari
    Dawn Spencer Hurwitz
    Slumberhouse

    These are one person operations with real character, daring, but also a deep, visceral knowledge of and love for what they do that oozes out of every drop of their work. Some of it is very experimental (Slumberhouse; Fazzolari), some harks back to the criteria of classic perfumery (Neuffer, Bogue's Maai), some is driven by wisdom and spirituality (La Via del Profumo), all of it is high end in raw material quality and truly perfumery as the "huitième art."

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Most of the suggestions here so far just seem off the mark. While some stuff like Creed's Bois du Portugal would probably fit the bill, as safe, comfortable and classic, the price tag is about double (at best) what the original poster asked for (see also Aventus ®). Perhaps only Green Irish Tweed from that house would work.

    I'd suggest exploring the classics from Guerlain, Dior, Chanel, etc first would be a better use of resources, with maybe some dipping of the toe into niche with stuff like Sartorial from Penhaglion's.
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    What Scarce said above.

    +1 Penhaligon's Sartorial
    adding Blenheim Bouquet from the same house. Maybe Opus 1870 or even Castile (think of this last as more of an eau de cologne).

    Have you tried Boucheron Pour Homme - rich citrus ? Again, not 'niche' as such, but lesser-known (jewellery/watch) designer.
    If you're into the shaving/barbering aspect, check out some of Jack Hunter's choices/Wardrobe (G.F. Trumper etc)

    All these are well within your budget.
    Also, sample, sample, sample. And take your time evaluating/wearing samples. Plenty of places to order from in the US.
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    Keeping your $150 price tag in mind and seeing that you enjoy sweet or bright smelling frags:

    Byredo - Bal D'Afrique
    Abdul Samad Al Quarashi - Safari Blend
    Mancera - So blue
    Jeroboam - Ambra
    Penhaligon - Blenheim Bouquet

    I'd strongly advise either going on eBay or somewhere like luckyscent and purchasing tiny test vials as opposed to buying completely out right. I've only once not regretted a blind buy and that was the Safari Blend.

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    I recommend sampling the following:

    Invasion Barbare
    L'Air du Desert Marocain
    Sel Marin
    Spice and Wood (Creed)
    Green Irish Tweed
    Menthe Fraiche
    Tabac Rouge (Phaedon)
    Layton (parfums de Marly)
    Oajan
    Nio
    Tuscan Leather
    1899 Hemingway
    1725 Casanova
    Pardon
    Ambre 114
    Bleecker Street
    Virgin Island Water

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    Default Re: Taking this hobby to the next leve, nichel--suggestions please

    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Love your words, Richie_B, "Remember to enjoy the journey." Couldn't agree more. BTW, just watched the White Sox come from behind in a thriller to beat the Rangers. Noticed you live in Chicago. I was born and raised there. Spent more than 30 years living in the Lincoln Park and Wrigley areas. Living in Sacramento now, but a lot of my heart will always be in the Windy City. Great town.
    Love the spirit of the city, but the politics and bureaucracy drive me nuts! LOL!

    OK, so to the best of my recollection, I just wanted to share the first few niche scents that blew my mind. They don't fit your criteria, I believe, but maybe try them some day....

    Mechant Loup by L'Artisan
    Green Valley by Creed
    Ambre Sultan by Serge Lutens
    Loukhourn by Keiko Mecheri
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