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    Hi guys. SO new to the vintage game, and I've two questions:

    1. I'm interested in buying vintage splash Chanel Pour Monsieur, and see it often on ebay--even in sealed boxes. Being a citrus scent, do you think it's safe to make a purchase like this given that citrus notes can turn?


    2. Recently bought and received 2 bottles of vintage splash aramis. They both have what I believe are batch codes on the bottom (not a stickers) .One has code HP4 in raised glass on the bottom. The other has A62C in what looks like blue ink.


    For the bottle with the HP4, Cosmetic checker said code is not supported or correct. The other, with the code A62C, Cosmetic checker says it was manufactured n June of 2012.

    Since both bottles are splash, and say Cologne and made in New York, I question whether the A62C bottle was made that recently. BTW, the HP4 bottle is darker in color, and performs better--absolutely beautiful juice--like I remember from back in the day. The other, while better than current iterations, is not as nice IMO as the other.


    Do you think either or both of these contain oakmoss? About what year did they start putting actual stickers on the bottom of bottles? Am trying to guess approximately when these were made. Thank you guys!


    Stephen

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    Default Re: 2 vintage frag questions

    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    I'm interested in buying vintage splash Chanel Pour Monsieur, and see it often on ebay--even in sealed boxes. Being a citrus scent, do you think it's safe to make a purchase like this given that citrus notes can turn?
    If it is sealed and has never been used and the vendor has stored it properly, I think it should be safe. Of course there is no 100% guarantee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Recently bought and received 2 bottles of vintage splash aramis. They both have what I believe are batch codes on the bottom (not a stickers) .One has code HP4 in raised glass on the bottom. The other has A62C in what looks like blue ink.
    I think "HP" molded into the glass means you're looking at a bottle that was manufactured by Pochet et du Courval. "HP" is their trademark.

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    1. nothing is ever safe in niche. As hednic was saying, if it has been stored properly it should be ok, but there is always a risk that it hasn't.
    2. I don't know about the batches, but 2012 is after the oakmoss restrictions, so a product from that year will probably contain less of it than previous ones. I haven't followed Aramis to know how exactly it changed since the restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Hi guys. SO new to the vintage game, and I've two questions:

    1. I'm interested in buying vintage splash Chanel Pour Monsieur, and see it often on ebay--even in sealed boxes. Being a citrus scent, do you think it's safe to make a purchase like this given that citrus notes can turn?


    2. Recently bought and received 2 bottles of vintage splash aramis. They both have what I believe are batch codes on the bottom (not a stickers) .One has code HP4 in raised glass on the bottom. The other has A62C in what looks like blue ink.


    For the bottle with the HP4, Cosmetic checker said code is not supported or correct. The other, with the code A62C, Cosmetic checker says it was manufactured n June of 2012.

    Since both bottles are splash, and say Cologne and made in New York, I question whether the A62C bottle was made that recently. BTW, the HP4 bottle is darker in color, and performs better--absolutely beautiful juice--like I remember from back in the day. The other, while better than current iterations, is not as nice IMO as the other.


    Do you think either or both of these contain oakmoss? About what year did they start putting actual stickers on the bottom of bottles? Am trying to guess approximately when these were made. Thank you guys!


    Stephen
    It is often said that Vintage Citrus scents can turn. It's a bit of a Pig in a Poke. I have certainly come across a few that have had the Alcohol turn to an Acetone note. However, after that burns off what are left intact ( for me)are the Heart and certainly Basenotes.
    Most often the Citrus has simply faded and sweetened.

    With Pour Monsieur, 1992 was the beginning of Oakmoss reductions, after a decade of liberal doses. Newer Fixatives took over and the Heart and Base notes have become less complex.
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    Default 2 vintage frag questions

    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Hi guys. SO new to the vintage game, and I've two questions:

    1. I'm interested in buying vintage splash Chanel Pour Monsieur, and see it often on ebay--even in sealed boxes. Being a citrus scent, do you think it's safe to make a purchase like this given that citrus notes can turn?


    2. Recently bought and received 2 bottles of vintage splash aramis. They both have what I believe are batch codes on the bottom (not a stickers) .One has code HP4 in raised glass on the bottom. The other has A62C in what looks like blue ink.


    For the bottle with the HP4, Cosmetic checker said code is not supported or correct. The other, with the code A62C, Cosmetic checker says it was manufactured n June of 2012.

    Since both bottles are splash, and say Cologne and made in New York, I question whether the A62C bottle was made that recently. BTW, the HP4 bottle is darker in color, and performs better--absolutely beautiful juice--like I remember from back in the day. The other, while better than current iterations, is not as nice IMO as the other.


    Do you think either or both of these contain oakmoss? About what year did they start putting actual stickers on the bottom of bottles? Am trying to guess approximately when these were made. Thank you guys!


    Stephen
    Hi Stephen,
    I know it's an 'old' thread but in relation to your "2012" Aramis, be aware that online code-checkers are not at all reliable when it comes to vintage frags.
    That said, the year 2012 could still be a dating-indicator du to the fact that batch-codes are repeated every ten years. So, you have the options of either 2002 or 1992. Earlier than that, the code-number would be shorter. My own Aramis splash has a 3-digit letter/number code and is from around 1979-1980.
    Also, in the late '90s production of splash-bottles were beginning to be phased-out. Still, splash-bottles would surface for some time, due to leftover stock from earlier production. Also, bottles are marked during production, not later on when shipping out.
    Therefore, most likely your bottle would be from 1992.
    Also, I don't know excactly when the Aramis sticker-labels changed to gold-on-black, but if the label is gold-on-blue it is definately vintage.

    If you read this, I hope it helps.

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    Hi Martin, and thank you! The information you provided absolutely helped! Wasn't aware of the color differences of the labels--interesting to know! Just checked, and my bottle is in fact a gold on blue label, thus vintage, and I now completely believe it contains a healthy dose of oakmoss. Also, the box it came in has the flap that comes down to close it. I agree that this bottle is likely from 1992 based on your explanation.

    LOVE this juice! Unlike the newer formulations, I find the vintage is beautiful right from the opening, whereas the newer ones seem to require some time to mellow. Of course, the vintage lasts much longer, and the color is much darker. This cologne IMO, is liquid gold, and I will savor it. Thank you again. You are appreciated, my friend!


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    I ran across 2 bottles of vintage CPM and they were both off (top notes for about 1/2 hr). I passed, I'd be weary about CPM on the net as a result but it could be bad luck. Aside from that never really ran into vintage spoils otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippin06 View Post
    Hi Martin, and thank you! The information you provided absolutely helped! Wasn't aware of the color differences of the labels--interesting to know! Just checked, and my bottle is in fact a gold on blue label, thus vintage, and I now completely believe it contains a healthy dose of oakmoss. Also, the box it came in has the flap that comes down to close it. I agree that this bottle is likely from 1992 based on your explanation.

    LOVE this juice! Unlike the newer formulations, I find the vintage is beautiful right from the opening, whereas the newer ones seem to require some time to mellow. Of course, the vintage lasts much longer, and the color is much darker. This cologne IMO, is liquid gold, and I will savor it. Thank you again. You are appreciated, my friend!


    Stephen
    Hi Stephen,
    You are wellcome. Glad to hear! And yes, liquid gold indeed. I love it and enjoy it often.
    And thanks for the kind words, buddy!

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