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    Default So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    Here's my question for you guys and gals: why do you continue to come here to Basenotes, even after it's clear that no one (outside of those of us who continue to come here) cares about fragrances, outside of us?

    I've been a "member" since 2011 but I lurked around for at least a year before that. Back then, if you wanted to sell or swap a fragrance, it was no trouble whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the sale/swap threads were so busy that as soon as you posted your thread, whatever you had for sale/swap was gone within 24 hours at the very least (as long as you had it priced "reasonably"). Back then, you'd post a sale/swap thead, and it would be bumped to the 2nd page by the end of the day. Nowadays, you post a sale/swap thread and it stays on the first page for at least a week, until you can bump it again.

    So, here's the deal. I have my own theory as to why this has happened, and I'd like to hear other longstanding members chime in with their theories, but I'm sure we're all on the same page as to why this has happened: Reformulations due to IFRA regulations. In some ways, I feel like I got into this hobby at the worst possible time (2010), for this reason: I got to sample fragrances, as a beginner, before they got reformulated. I was a beginner at the time, so I didn't/couldn't appreciate fragrances like: vintage Dunhill Edition, vintage Chanel Egoiste, vintage Hermes Bel Ami, and on and on and on...

    At the time, I had no idea what I was doing, or smelling, or that this would become a long-term hobby. As a result, I let many fragrances go at that time due to swaps/sales here on this forum that I now regret.

    Can anyone else here identify with this? Does anyone else here remember when this forum was MUCH busier, and had MUCH more traffic? Do you also agree that the reason for the slowdown in the traffic on this website, and in this hobby in general, is due to IFRA regulations, and poor reformulations by "respected" houses?

    Discuss...

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    I stay here because I love fragrances, and always will

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    I'm forever curious and can also state that I learn something new from this place pretty much daily. After considering myself only a hobbyist at best - I can't tell you if there's Ambroxan in something or if it's ISO Super E, but I can tell you what I do and do not like. And that list has grown from being exposed to what people talk about here.

    Otherwise, I'd probably just have stopped with Creed or Bond. Now I know way more and besides... as long as Hednic posts, I'll remain curious.

    True this place has gotten less busy, more controversial with troll posts, whatnot. But just underneath that there's quite a few active folks that I look forward to seeing what they post because either our tastes are close or very far apart to each other. That's the nature of forums though. They ebb and flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
    I'm forever curious and can also state that I learn something new from this place pretty much daily. After considering myself only a hobbyist at best - I can't tell you if there's Ambroxan in something or if it's ISO Super E, but I can tell you what I do and do not like. And that list has grown from being exposed to what people talk about here.

    Otherwise, I'd probably just have stopped with Creed or Bond. Now I know way more and besides... as long as Hednic posts, I'll remain curious.

    True this place has gotten less busy, more controversial with troll posts, whatnot. But just underneath that there's quite a few active folks that I look forward to seeing what they post because either our tastes are close or very far apart to each other. That's the nature of forums though. They ebb and flow.
    I can identify with much of what you just said. I keep telling myself that I "know what I like" and I just want to back that stuff up, but there are still a few members here, who's opinions I respect, that I look forward to hearing their thoughts on new/old fragrances, and I keep remaining interested in the hobby that way.

    Also, another aspect for me is that I'm not able to sample fragrances locally, where I live, (other than the most basic designer fragrances).
    So I'm always reading reviews on this site, and on Fragrantica to get an idea of which new (and sometimes older) fragrances may be of interest to me.

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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    This site has helped me evolve in ways I never would have with fragrances. I no longer look at fragrances the same way, I’m always looking forward to the next amazing fragrance to buy. The people here are great, very helpful and are always encouraging with keeping this never ending hobby alive. I’m forever thankful even after only being here over a year now, I visit over a handful of times daily just an awesome forum to be apart of daily.

    I browse Fragrantica once in awhile to compare reviews, never tempted to sign up though basenotes is the choice for me.

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    I think most of those have whittled down their preferences to a few houses/styles etc and no longer buy or trade in epic proportions anymore. Hobbies are cool and all but spacing is an issue here. Budgeting too. Once they've found what they're looking for there's not much else to do but keep stock and move on to something else.
    Unless some new house comes along or something I'm winding down purchases because I've zeroed in on what I like. And it's not like a house can keep producing forever ( some try though, don't they). When I started looking at basenotes all the forums had a wealth of knowledge for me, now that I've got it I don't need to come by so often, I could say that's why you don't see them here anymore. Save the one's like hednic who have space for 5 billion fragrances.

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    I joined Basenotes to learn more about perfume. Been collecting on and off for decades but, I didn't know of niche fragrances. Nor did I know of the availability of decants or that there are so many places to purchase scents online. I don't care about reforms - it is, what it is. I stay, for the nice people I've encountered, even though I myself, am not very chatty. Thanks to Basenotes folks, I finally know what I prefer, what I like, through the joys of sampling.

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    I am borderline obsessed with fragrances and this is the best place to come and discuss/learn more about them
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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    I’m not sure I get your question. Your question is my answer: because

    Quote Originally Posted by cpp214 View Post
    it's clear that no one (outside of those of us who continue to come here) cares about fragrances, outside of us?
    i never came here for swaps and sales. I come for the amiable atmosphere and the chance to learn from others with more experience and knowledge than me. What probably keeps me here is the overall congenial nature of the whole forum. Knowledgeable and experienced members have left, but that’s the nature of online forums. There is always going to be change. Many won’t like that and talk about some earlier golden age, but while I miss certain members, etc. posts and reviews remain.
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    2. Get them both. You're a Basenoter and you know you're going to end up purchasing them both eventually.
    3. Yes, it has been reformulated.
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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    We are living in the post-post-IFRA age, where new fragrances are exceeding the quality of pre-IFRA offerings and even designer reformulations and designer new releases are getting better.

    Since I joined in 2014, the SOTD feature has got a lot busier, so I’m not feeling the slowdown. Maybe it’s just the sales threads that were affected.

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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpp214 View Post
    Here's my question for you guys and gals: why do you continue to come here to Basenotes, even after it's clear that no one (outside of those of us who continue to come here) cares about fragrances, outside of us?
    Because I enjoy fragrances and continually learn from others more experienced than I am.
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    Mean spirited, nasty, snide, sarcastic, hateful, and rude individuals on Basenotes don't warrant or deserve my or other Basenoters' acknowledgement or respect.

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    I prefer to focus on the positives. IFRA restriction isn’t the last word in perfumery. There are still independent artisans who are putting out the good intetesting stuff. As for the forums things have changed because the demographics have changed and there more options out there. People come and go. That’s a fact of life. There is still a wealth of knowledge to be found here and newcomers offering their fresh perspectives. The longtime stalwarts who frequent this place give it a level of stability- a sense of familiarity I find comforting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpp214 View Post
    why do you continue to come here to Basenotes, even after it's clear that no one (outside of those of us who continue to come here) cares about fragrances
    That's the reason to come. Other people care, just not quite as much.

    A couple friends I've made in the last couple years have essentially become Basenoter equivalents. They don't use the site, but they're completely up for talking fragrances, perusing shops, blind testing, buying more perfume than they need, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    I come for the amiable atmosphere and the chance to learn from others with more experience and knowledge than me. What probably keeps me here is the overall congenial nature of the whole forum.
    ^^ This, absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    People come and go. That’s a fact of life. There is still a wealth of knowledge to be found here and newcomers offering their fresh perspectives.
    Just as in any neighborhood. But at least here, the contributions of former residents remain for our reference and edification.

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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    I happened on Basenotes by accident in early 2006. I hadn't worn 'cologne' since my high school days far in my past. I was fascinated by this new to me world of fragrance beyond Canoe and British Sterling and Aqua Velva. I was like a kid set loose in a candy store. Beginning. with a brick and mortar location purchase of Armani Mania things just took off from there.

    I used the expertise and experience of old time Basenoters such as Joel_Cairo to buy decant and samples to allow me to find for myself what agreed with me and within a few years I had accumulated a sizeable wardrobe of favored samples, decants and bottles. Along the way I developed deep friendships with many Basenoters that exist to this day.

    All in all it has been an educational, fun and great smelling ride these past 12 years. I look forward to signing on for an hour or so nearly every day.

    Thank you Grant and Basenoters of past and present for this wonderful site.

    And as far as what happened to Basenotes? Social sites such as Twitter, Facebook etc. IMO.
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    I came in 2005 to use the directory so I could type in a particular note I wanted to explore and get perfumes that contained that note. I was active for about 3 or 4 years, found some strong favorites and got distracted with other hobbies and life in general. I came back again this year for exactly the same reason--to type a particular note into the advance search directory so I could sample things that got the best reviews. I got sucked back into the whole hobby like a black hole swallowed my house, much aided by the number of people around here I really like.
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    I don't have any friends. I am hoping to make friends here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpp214 View Post

    I've been a "member" since 2011

    I have my own theory as to why this has happened, and I'd like to hear other longstanding members chime in with their theories, but I'm sure we're all on the same page as to why this has happened: Reformulations due to IFRA regulations.
    I literally lol'd in real life.

    Is this the only forum you've actively participated in? I've been in a couple fitness, language learning, and snowboarding forums and everyone talks about "the good ol days" 2009 - 2013. It's because of the explosion of Facebook/Instagram. They existed before but they really blew up back then and that sucked more and more people from the forums as social media platforms are vastly more efficient at sharing ideas with likeminded people. I still like browsing forums though because they're not as obnoxious as social media platforms.

    Forum traffic down due to IFRA regulations... just lmao.
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    Default Re: So...what happened to Basenotes? And why do you stay here?

    The only thing I use Basenotes for anymore is the Forum. I used to use the wardrobe function, but since the switch and subsequent switch back from Huddler, I just use my own database. I also use Fragrantica to keep track of my wardrobe. The Basenotes directory was always further behind the Fragrantica one when a new scent would get released.

    I have noticed a slowdown on the forums. I think that was inevitable. There have been some extremely active posters over the years who have started some threads which started discussions that drove a great deal of traffic. However, in the world we live in today, any passionate discussion leaves people feeling butt-hurt, which means people need to be banned from this site. So, the active and edgy discussions have been slowly eradicated from the site. And what we are left with is the "help me pick between these", "is this a fake", and "has this been reformulated"...

    I still come here because it IS still the best place to discuss fragrances. The site itself seems far more removed from the fragrance industry than Fragrantica however. It seems to rely on the contributors to post things rather than deliver "news" and new fragrance releases to us. But the people who post here are far more knowledgeable than on other sites. That is why my bookmark isn't on the BN homepage anymore, but directly to the Male Fragrance Forum.

    As far as fragrances themselves, when I got into this hobby, I had no idea how big the fragrance forest was. I blind bought things like crazy if it was highly regarded here. I bought dozens of samples every month. I found about 1 thing bottle worthy for every 10 things I sampled. Today, I have "only" sampled about 100 fragrances this year so far. I think only one thing was added to my "to buy" list. Too many new releases are just aromachemical paint-by-numbers it seems. As others often lament, the cheap synthetic buzzy woody note, and the fake leathers are everywhere. Or I smell something and think "that smells like ___ <<something I already have>>".

    We often talk about the IFRA regulations and the damage they have done to the fragrances. But really Basenotes has done it's own IFRA-style regulating around here. People who use the word "panydropper" do come across as a bit immature, but the hyper-sensitive mentality to ban the word? Really? If the phrase is so sensitive to anyone, I doubt that person is able to function in society.

    Also, a basketball forum would not do well if it banned discussion of Lebron James. If all discussion of him was moved to a different sub-forum, people wouldn't go there as much - and it would seem on the main forum that traffic slowed. But that's exactly what Basenotes did with the most discussed fragrance here. Aventus topic? Magically swept away to a forum few people would bother going to. Also, Any question about authenticity gets swept away to a different sub-forum. Any topic open to a debate - locked and potential bannings. Too simple of a question? Probably moved to that beginner forum.
    There was also a great deal of bannings for the mere mention of a certain location here on Basenotes (which I guess I will find out if that ban is still in place).
    For some, they might like it broken up into a bunch of little dead forums that few people go to, but I don't even think of those. I pop into MFD, and look around, and that's about the extent of it.

    Anyway, just some unedited thoughts off my head. Going to get some work done and some coffee.. sorry for any disjointed thoughts, typos, etc...
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    I'll tell you what I honestly think is the reason why the board slowed down and lost some luster.....real interaction within the forum. I just came back this month after about a year or more hiatus. Part of it was me needing to concentrate on some other things....work, family, etc. But a big part was also the lack of "family" so to speak here. When I started in 2008 if you posted a comment in the forum you'd get 4-5 responses....all different, all worth reading, all with great advice. After awhile you felt like you "knew" these people, their likes, etc. You gravitated to people who had similar tastes and you looked forward to seeing new posts or reviews from many people. I think that is gone and I know some others that left told me that was their main reason. I've been posting again for about a month now because I'm looking for something new in Fall and wanted to catch up. I've probably gotten 1-2 responses TOTAL on anything. Most posts just languish and people throw out their lists, etc. I just feel there is zero interaction anymore. I still love the site for its value for research and reading lists, etc. I still enjoy reading a few people I enjoyed before. But those are my thoughts on why it's gotten slow here.....2) Sometime I think some enthusiasts that are newer may feel "priced out" since there seems to be heavy niche leanings these days. I mean a simple "what do you think would be good for me" gets more Parfums de FuFu Oud Beachdeck Delux than Polo Blue. Just saying.

    I still love fragrance, love the hobby and still rotate my small 4-5 and thus this place will always be somewhere I come to check out...I just don't expect the fun interaction I used to have.
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    I haven't been a member for more than a few years so it was before my time but from reading various posts and putting 2 and 2 together it seems that there were a number of active/knowledgeable/key members that departed or were removed for reasons that are unknown to me!!??

    Basenotes is still much better forum-wise that the likes of Fragrantica. I joined up there a year ago and couldn't even be bothered to engage in conversation as virtually every topic was the same dressed up differently. It always seemed as if their members were much younger. Fragrantica is good for reviews though. I mean ratio wise members/reviews. I think their are quite a large number of Basenotes members who don't review.

    I will also add that in my experience there are less and less people wearing perfume. There are a high level of people who actually find it offensive and is not part of their routine. I think the younger generation have not been brought up with those big brash fragrances and therefore have become sensitive to fragrance. It's almost alien to them.
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    16 years, this month. It's just a part of my day as waking up.
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    It always amazes me what threads 'take off' and what ones create little discussion.

    There are too many 'lurkers' though and not enough contributors.

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    This is just an opinion, perhaps instead of trying to find the answer through the missing people, would be more productive to analyze this world, what it is today in 2018, and what it was 10 or more years ago.

    And it is evident that it is not the same, in the market of the "luxury products", perfumes is a separated issue.
    I was already a reader of the Basenotes forums about 2005; As one person mentions, we remember members like Joel Cairo, zztop, Paul Gamboa, Everso, Tigrushka, etc... many more ...

    They were niche brands trend as L'Artisan Parfumeur or Maitre Gantier et Parfumeur (both who became a true genius with Jean Laporte!), Etro, Goutal, Villoresi, etc ... Lutens hit hard, a newcomer Malle, etc. etc.

    It seems that we talked about 50 years ago, ladies and gentlemen, but not: 10-15 years ago, when you could buy a Malle and a Lutens with a minimum of artistry and commercial integrity for 60-80 euros bottle.
    At that time no concepts of the imbecile type had been created such as "osmo absolu", "cologne absolu", "cool spray", and it was about innovating in scents thanks to talent, a certain freedom, and artistry.
    I still remember the first time I smelled Dzing! or Passage D'Enfer, Ambre Sultan, Messe De Minuit ....

    At that time many brands launched 2-3 perfumes a year and it seemed unthinkable that they were more...

    Shortly thereafter, gurus began to emerge and more gurus, the fragrance gurus.
    Luca Turin and Cia became famous for writing a book of perfume reviews, as original as ephemeral.
    Then many reviews in Basenotes were filled with very self-absorbed authors and reviewers, who had as an avatar photos from geniuses as Tolstoi or Buñuel, for example; these people with such an intellective and eminent pose loved to write enormously long sentences with a multitude of adjectives, something like:

    Musky-floral concoction (smelling finally at same time subtle-floral-chic and warmly organic-musky on skin) and the dry down is almost identical to a familiar aroma for me (…) Despite a veritable massive floral presence the floral perception is moderate under the nose (like something substantially restrained) because of a really dominant and catalysing soapy-musky vibe. White musk and oakmoss are complemented by soapy amber, balsams, tonka and by a complex "flori-herbal" bouquet (mastered by rose, hyacinth and ylang-ylang). The first blast is edgy with its lamellar twist of leaves, bitter-green notes, aldehydes, green earthiness (vetiver) and aromatics. A musky aura is by soon evident in its balmy substance supported by a sheer ambery soapy presence with a multicolored floral kaleidoscope of sophisticated nuances (jasmine, iris, ylang-ylang, hyacinth). Ylang-ylang is super chic, radiant and exotic while a musky hyacinth enhances a dominant "neutral" mossy (earthy-humid) atm (...)


    We started to speak loud and frequently about the noses, the artists, for the first time - I would almost say in history - as if they were rock stars, film makers ... many fans started looking for perfumes by nose, not by brand, everything was in the crest of the wave ...

    But shortly after, before many of these people had noticed, niche market reached the 100% level of greed, the business came, they started doing business with all part of it.
    Very lawful thing indeed, but up to certain limits.

    Many independent "niche" brands tried to earn a place in the market waiting for a small piece of cake (many of them were just amateurs without any study in perfumery or anything like that, because when you are a smoke seller, you only have to be a good seller).

    Prices went up, niche brands began to create lines and sublines, sub-lines of the sub-lines and seemed to launch perfumes every week.
    I remember when Lutens launched his first L'Eau, the anti-perfume (lol): to the Lutens fans it seemed a "betrayal" before the traditional concept that he himself had of perfumes (you only had to smell Chergui, Fumerie Turque, my beloved Cuir Mauresque) .

    The IFRA restrictions came, I do not know exactly in what year; In any case, I do not think the year is important, since I think there were later revisions and I do not think it means ANYTHING in the world of perfume.
    Yes, and I say it very loudly: I do not think it means any LIMITATION in the world of perfume, except the obvious.

    The big brands started to cry... they were victims!! They came to tell the world: but how I, Ponderic Malle, Servius Lutens can now perform my fantastic, complex and lasting perfumes, if the government takes away the oakmoss and the tree moss , the Methylcoumarin, the Citral and others ...? !!
    Oh, what will become of me, I have a huge capital of money, I can travel all over the world to look for and buy raw materials that at the beginning of the century gentlemen like Ernest Beaux could not see or dream about them, I have plenty of laboratories that can reproduce almost any imaginable and unimaginable smell, and at my disposal the most talented noses of my generation ... but yikes! perfumes can no longer be what they were, that must be made clear to consumers and fans ... the fault the IFRA has it; in any case it's not my fault...

    And there we come to the apex, to the dramatic climax.
    The market began to become inflated and inflate; new brands, new perfumes.
    The prices went up about 10 USD every 6 months, 20 USD a year (and rising ...).
    The perfumes began to be filled with bases or chords composed mostly of synthetic origin, such as the famous ISO-e, Ambroxan, etc. (what an eye, many of them already existed since the 70's! but not in such a indiscriminated use).

    The perfumes became more recognizable and forgettable, the fringe dividing perfumes let's say mainstream with the niche became not only thinner but nonexistent: you could usually smell a niche perfume of 200 USD that was worse made and with worse materials that one of 40 USD (when this happened more rarely before), you could read marketing campaigns that were - and are - an insult to the intelligence of people and consumers, and ridiculous releases that hit your head again and again: Red Mandarino, Red Mandarino Acqua, Red Mandarino Forte, Red Mandarino Absolu, Red Mandarino Parfum, Red Mandarino L'Eau ...

    Self-indulgence and more self-indulgence, higher prices and more price increases.
    Advertising, masterpieces and more masterpieces ...

    For example, Neroli Portofino? A masterpiece !! a masterpiece...
    The umpteenth "original" copy of a type of colony like 4711 that should be known since 200 years ago, they sell it to you in 2018 for 160 USD and it's a damn masterpiece, man!
    But before that what can be said? Before such a short look?

    Ladies and gentlemen, a "masterpiece" is a work that is considered a milestone for most, a before and after in its genre, something that shows an innovative capacity never before seen, something that offers something new, something that is so successful worldwide that causes a trend, either you like it or not.
    A masterpiece may be Fahrenheit, or Le Male, or Chanel No. 5, ladies and gentlemen, but not Neroli Portofino that I have in my house for more than 20 years with the name of "Nenuco".

    And after all this miasma of self-indulgence, what's left?
    Every time more perfumes are made, similar, worse perfumes, and more expensive.
    A round business for brands: the level of consumer demand in general is increasingly low and the profit increasingly high.
    If a brand was able to bottle Iso e Super in a horrible bottle without a cap and sell it for 120 USD, without anyone throwing one of those bottles at the head of the creative genius of that idea, there are few limits to pass.

    I just hope that these clumsy and hurried notes in a language that is not my native language can provide some interesting point to the OP questions.

    Regards, Pipi

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    Quote Originally Posted by wood&leather View Post
    I literally lol'd in real life.

    Is this the only forum you've actively participated in? I've been in a couple fitness, language learning, and snowboarding forums and everyone talks about "the good ol days" 2009 - 2013. It's because of the explosion of Facebook/Instagram. They existed before but they really blew up back then and that sucked more and more people from the forums as social media platforms are vastly more efficient at sharing ideas with likeminded people. I still like browsing forums though because they're not as obnoxious as social media platforms.

    Forum traffic down due to IFRA regulations... just lmao.
    I think this is probably the closest answer. People just got hooked more than ever on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and Snapchat since 2010. Despite this being a "passion" focused board, and people do spend time on specific things they care about, those sites are just overall time consuming and addictive and take people away from other online content areas.

    I would say that if and when Grant is able to upgrade this interface to be more modern and contemporary, that will help bring in new people who might otherwise go to Fragrantica, so participation will increase. Fragrantica is a confusing muddle and an eyesore to me anyway, but obviously many people don't mind it.

    I've joined this site just under two years ago for the learning and participation in the hobby. I don't have a comparison before that for the Marketplace popularity nor the conversational frequency. But I do suspect once everything gets modernized and more aesthetically pleasing, it will naturally increase usage.
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    I think it's the medium itself... the forum... that's just being beaten down by better mediums. Before I made an account a year or so ago I hadn't posted on any forum for 10 years, but the 10 years prior (back to 97) I was on forums of all kinds all the time each one with its veterans and stories of the good old days. If I had to write a tagline for Basenotes it would be: "They'll save you money." And it doesn't have anything to do with what Basenotes is, but for me that's what Basenotes does. You guys talk me out of pursuing certain scents or brands any further than I planned to. Listening to people who are much more knowledgeable than me I feel like I hacked the learning curve. I was able to get into this hobby, get what I needed, and get out without wasting too much time or money. I'm fortunate to have access to many stores. I too have smelled 100+ scents this year easily. Do I want to do it again next year? Hell no! But a few years down the line I may just want to get back into the mix.

    That being said, I don't mind shooting the breeze because no one I know personally cares anything about fragrance. I'm really interested to see what "fragcomm" is going to look like once the retail armageddon kicks off. Some of these decanters and splitters may become national brands.

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    I agree that social media has siphoned off a lot of eyeballs from forums because there is more instantaneous connection on those platforms. But I prefer reading blogs and forums as I find the format and busyness of facebook for example annoying.

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    I agree to an extent with all the recent replies.
    As far as I'm concerned the main reason the forums ( at least MFD, I rarely visit any others) are rarely engaging any more is that they have become progressively more inane as knowledgeable and/or entertaining members have either been banned or stopped visiting, which leads to yet more losing interest and it becomes compounded.
    It seems that most new members join to take part in the anal retentive brofest that is the Aventus subforum , which is great if you get turned on by that kind of thing ( and at least with the segregated forum people aren't astroturfing the main boards) but if your interest in fragrance runs a little deeper there's little else to draw you in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToughCool View Post
    I mean a simple "what do you think would be good for me" gets more Parfums de FuFu Oud Beachdeck Delux than Polo Blue. Just saying.
    Not from me. Polo Blue is good for everybody. I could say the same for Clive Christian X, though. I also didn't know the p----d----r word was actually banned--that's pretty funny. I used it in a recent PM and mourned it's loss on the boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipistrello View Post
    I just hope that these clumsy and hurried notes in a language that is not my native language can provide some interesting point to the OP questions.
    I enjoyed the post.

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    I think a lot of written attacks on each other played a role. Disagreements will always happen, but it seemed to get personal at times. Had quite a few friends on here who just got tired of the arguing and disrespect toward each other. A lot of good people got caught in the web of going back and forth and were eventually banned. Sad. I continue to stay because I like talking about this strange hobby we all have here.
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