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    Default A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    "...wholly indipendent from Guerlain", 15 US dollars....Is this a fake?

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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    Probably.
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    Rebottled vintage perfumes appear from time to time. Not necessarily fake, but you have to take it on faith that the rebottling was done properly. Not sure it is worth the risk.

    Here's a 1927 ad for rebottled Guerlain from a Syracuse newspaper, noting "At last you have it--Guerlain's very desirable perfumes put up in a special size for you."

    https://newspaperarchive.com/syracus...y-24-1927-p-7/

    In 1939 Guerlain sued Woolworth for rebottling perfums as nips. Woolworth relied on a prior 1924 decision that allowed rebottled perfumes to be sold, as long as they were clearly labeled as such:

    In that case the Supreme Court of the United States decided that, under the National Trade-Mark Act, Coty could not prevent Prestonettes, Inc., from buying the former's genuine perfume and selling it in smaller bottles as rebottled by the latter corporation so long as the label on the rebottled perfume bore the legend with every word in letters of the same size, color, type and general distinctiveness: "Prestonettes, Inc., not connected with Coty, states that the contents are Coty's (giving the name of the article) independently rebottled in New York."

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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    The box is very suspicious. Personally, I would not trust this as an authentic bottle.
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    It was probably "made" in a dark basement somewhere in Northern New Jersey. I'm sure it will be true to the original counterfeit that they counterfeited.
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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    So that is how splits were done back then
    Quote Originally Posted by grayspoole View Post
    Rebottled vintage perfumes appear from time to time. Not necessarily fake, but you have to take it on faith that the rebottling was done properly. Not sure it is worth the risk.

    Here's a 1927 ad for rebottled Guerlain from a Syracuse newspaper, noting "At last you have it--Guerlain's very desirable perfumes put up in a special size for you."

    https://newspaperarchive.com/syracus...y-24-1927-p-7/

    In 1939 Guerlain sued Woolworth for rebottling perfums as nips. Woolworth relied on a prior 1924 decision that allowed rebottled perfumes to be sold, as long as they were clearly labeled as such:

    In that case the Supreme Court of the United States decided that, under the National Trade-Mark Act, Coty could not prevent Prestonettes, Inc., from buying the former's genuine perfume and selling it in smaller bottles as rebottled by the latter corporation so long as the label on the rebottled perfume bore the legend with every word in letters of the same size, color, type and general distinctiveness: "Prestonettes, Inc., not connected with Coty, states that the contents are Coty's (giving the name of the article) independently rebottled in New York."

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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    I'd buy it for $15 -- just out of interest

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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    Hmmm.. Does it smell like Shalimar? A side-by-side testing report would be interesting. Inquiring minds want to know.
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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    Depends upon the source. If it's not a sealed box, I'd want it opened just to get a look at the color (obviously not original bottle).
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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    "Wholly Indépendant of Guerlain".

    Label-speak for "I am not GENUINE and by law have to disclose it".
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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    Quote Originally Posted by grayspoole View Post
    Rebottled vintage perfumes appear from time to time. Not necessarily fake, but you have to take it on faith that the rebottling was done properly. Not sure it is worth the risk.

    Here's a 1927 ad for rebottled Guerlain from a Syracuse newspaper, noting "At last you have it--Guerlain's very desirable perfumes put up in a special size for you."

    https://newspaperarchive.com/syracus...y-24-1927-p-7/

    In 1939 Guerlain sued Woolworth for rebottling perfums as nips. Woolworth relied on a prior 1924 decision that allowed rebottled perfumes to be sold, as long as they were clearly labeled as such:

    In that case the Supreme Court of the United States decided that, under the National Trade-Mark Act, Coty could not prevent Prestonettes, Inc., from buying the former's genuine perfume and selling it in smaller bottles as rebottled by the latter corporation so long as the label on the rebottled perfume bore the legend with every word in letters of the same size, color, type and general distinctiveness: "Prestonettes, Inc., not connected with Coty, states that the contents are Coty's (giving the name of the article) independently rebottled in New York."

    Thank you for this interesting and informative history on the issue, grayspoole!

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    Default Re: A very strange Shalimar bottle....

    Hello friends-

    I have been interested in the history of laws and attitudes regarding intellectual/creative property for a long time, and perfumes are another fascinating example. It seems to me that early 20th c. US courts did not strive overmuch to protect the rights of European brands such as Coty and Guerlain.

    Quote Originally Posted by epapsiou View Post
    So that is how splits were done back then
    Exactly! And you could advertise in the city paper too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    I'd buy it for $15 -- just out of interest
    I thought the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnette View Post
    Thank you for this interesting and informative history on the issue, grayspoole!
    You are welcome!

    There's a slghtly different version of all of this that I have seen on some vintages, where the bottle and packaging are definitely authentic but it is stated that it is Paris perfume but was bottled in NY.
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