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    Anyone know of Lychee scent materials, and or accords for purchase?
    I really love lychee in combination with rose.

    Thanks so much
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    dimethyl sulphide is exceptionally excellent for lychee AND rose. take care, its incredible powerful. handle it like pyrazines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavomi View Post
    dimethyl sulphide is exceptionally excellent for lychee AND rose. take care, its incredible powerful. handle it like pyrazines...
    Thanks so much!
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    I have a lychee tree I can send you leaves / bark for free if you want to bother with extracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thea in Fl View Post
    I have a lychee tree I can send you leaves / bark for free if you want to bother with extracting.
    Nah, thanks so much.
    I am SO envious of you. Vancouver is GREY.
    GREY GREY GREY!!!
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    Cis3-hexenyl acetate is a fruity ac that smells very similar to a Thai fruit called Lamyai which is in the same family, and Para cresyl acetate is a little sour, pear like with hints of Lychee. These two could definitely go into a Lychee accord.

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    thanks!
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    The most important fragrance compound in rose is the same one in lychee: beta-damascenone.

    It's a wonderful fragrance that's not found in a lot of things. (cognac being one of the rare exceptions)

    Some types of muscat grapes also have a lychee-like note to them. (Jupiter is one new seedless variety that's been developed, and I can confirm they do have definite flavor resemblance to lychee)

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    Quote Originally Posted by parker25mv View Post
    The most important fragrance compound in rose is the same one in lychee: beta-damascenone.

    It's a wonderful fragrance that's not found in a lot of things. (cognac being one of the rare exceptions)

    Some types of muscat grapes also have a lychee-like note to them. (Jupiter is one new seedless variety that's been developed, and I can confirm they do have definite flavor resemblance to lychee)
    Yes, I agree with you.
    But I`ve not used Beta Damascenone enough to cultivate an appreciation for it.
    I find it dry, grape skin, nearly bitter, "pitty," or pith-like. So AT THIS MOMENT...I don`t know a way to take beta-demascenone and make it juicy.

    I like the salt-water, juicy refreshing aspects of Lychee.
    The bright floral aspects.

    Do you have an idea for taking beta-demascenone and making it more juicy?
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    An alternative, since you're going to be combining rose and lychee, is to just use damask rose absolute. While expensive, I don't believe it's terribly more expensive than beta-damascenone (factoring in the amount you'd need). Right now they don't have an economical synthetic route to beta-damascenone, and beta-damascenone is commercially derived from damask rose, so I'm assuming a low grade natural damask rose absolute wouldn't be too uneconomical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parker25mv View Post
    An alternative, since you're going to be combining rose and lychee, is to just use damask rose absolute. While expensive, I don't believe it's terribly more expensive than beta-damascenone (factoring in the amount you'd need). Right now they don't have an economical synthetic route to beta-damascenone, and beta-damascenone is commercially derived from damask rose, so I'm assuming a low grade natural damask rose absolute wouldn't be too uneconomical.
    That is a very good idea...
    I think I`m going to order the rose sample set from eden botanicals
    https://www.edenbotanicals.com/rose-sampler-pack.html

    Damask rose is the most fruity of all roses?
    The most lychee heavy of all?
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    Matt, where did you smell the lychee, in a fragrance or a drink? Lychee is like 98% starchy rice smell and maybe 2% tea and grape in real life. You might be replicating something that's not like a real lychee. So it might be really hard to get a replica going. If you go to an Asian market and they have those sodas with the marble on top that you push in, those are real lychee taste and smell.

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    Some other suggestions would be rose oxide, especially laevo; peonile, benzophenone, dibutyl or dimethyl sulfide, a good geranium oil, rose butanoate and other phenyl ethyl esters, traces of beta ionone and strawberry furanone.

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    Default Re: Lycee materials?

    Quote Originally Posted by perfumum View Post
    Some other suggestions would be rose oxide, especially laevo; peonile, benzophenone, dibutyl or dimethyl sulfide, a good geranium oil, rose butanoate and other phenyl ethyl esters, traces of beta ionone and strawberry furanone.
    This is an excellent list! Geranium oil is a brilliant idea but might need to be tweaked with extra linalool and/or geraniol.

    I'd still add nerolidol and a tiny amount of cucumber aldehyde. If no rose oil used then also nerol and neryl acetate might help.

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