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    Default Re: Why do they make scents that have faecal or animalistic tones?

    To respond to the question of origins of fecal tones - this is my understanding of it. The fecal base notes in fragrances is a cultural preference that gained popularity over a century ago when gentlemen and ladies preferred perfume that blend out the odor of horse manure. When all travel was by horseback or horse drawn carriage the streets were full of horse waste and fragrances such as Guerlain Jicky or Mouchoir de Monsieur turned horse poop into a pleasant earthy fougere. As horse travel was replaced by automobiles and train, the tradition of indoles in perfume continues on as a carryover of our cultural memory of what a gentleman and/or lady might smell like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    I can't believe I just read that.
    Yeah, me too, I had to read it twice as thought I'd mis-read it :-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzlepuff View Post
    To respond to the question of origins of fecal tones - this is my understanding of it. The fecal base notes in fragrances is a cultural preference that gained popularity over a century ago when gentlemen and ladies preferred perfume that blend out the odor of horse manure. When all travel was by horseback or horse drawn carriage the streets were full of horse waste and fragrances such as Guerlain Jicky or Mouchoir de Monsieur turned horse poop into a pleasant earthy fougere. As horse travel was replaced by automobiles and train, the tradition of indoles in perfume continues on as a carryover of our cultural memory of what a gentleman and/or lady might smell like.
    Thanks for that. It makes sense but very gross lol.

    Who would want to smell like Black Beauty!!! (That's a famous horse for those not in the UK)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StylinLA View Post
    I'm not a germaphobe but a bit of a shower freak like the OP.

    I think for some people the "nasty" notes just overwhelm them and put them off totally.

    I haven't tried TF Tobacco Oud, but doubt that to the average person it smells that fecal. But to dave2018 (and maybe to me), it ruins the scent.

    Not saying you are odd dave2018, you just may be more sensitive to it than others.

    I cannot wear C&S scents because there is some note in there hits me horribly the same way.

    Many of us have other non animalic notes that bug us. I cannot tolerate immortelle.
    Yeah, you're right mate. I am very sensitive to smells and due to having a thorough self care regime myself I am quick to catch the scent of people who don't, which to be honest is many people, particularly on the London Tube and public transport. I don't want to sound judgemental, but soap and water cost nothing!

    I can tell if someone has showered in the morning or has just thrown on fresh clothing and has simply had a few sprays to mask it lol, perhaps I should look for a new career??? .....sorry going off topic!

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    I have zero interest in scents (or people) that smell "squeaky clean." How boring and boringly sanitized would the world be if everyone smelled of unscented soap and detergent and dryer sheets? (That was a rhetorical question.)

    And besides Brent Leonesio's No 8, I can't think of a frag that truly smells of poop. (And even that one smells pretty great.) MKK has a top note that smells the tiniest bit fecal, but absolutely no one who smells you in public is going to run away gagging.

    I am slightly less enamored of perfumes that contain an overdose of cumin, simply because that note reminds me of food and I'm not a fan of gourmand scents. But the addition of civet, castoreum, cumin, costus, hyrax, and musk (if handled well) make fragrances all the more deep and warm and sensual. I would, in fact, lose most of my interest in scent, if animalic notes were eliminated.
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    Two fragrances worth noting are Stercus and Boccanera:

    On the face of it, Orto Parisi is not my style of fragrance house--too edgy, too niche and more than a little obstreperous. I was not a real fan of Black Afgano for these very reasons. That said, despite its alarming name, I really responded positively to Stercus (visceral is the only way to describe it). Dark, intensely human and very sexy. This house is no extension to a fashion line, style or ethos. You do not wear these scents and associate them with a well tailored gent walking down Jermyn Street, or Italian luxury goods or a stroll down the Champs Elysees--Orto Parisi is the opposite of all that, something that is primal, bestial, stripped of all civilizing refinements. Boccanera, which means dark mouth in Italian, is another winner for me. Similar to Stercus in its humanity and sexiness, Boccanera has a drier, herbal/vegetal note and a very realistic cocoa note, mingling with a slightly sweaty (clean sweat!), musky base. So, the "dark mouths" the name alludes to are limited on a human body--there are only a small number of holes that can be explored olfactorily and they are generally not associated with good smells. But then, you would have to define what you mean by good. Alessandro Gaultieri makes us rethink our approach to such things and in so doing has given us some really wonderful scents. The sillage is subtle (thank goodness!) but the lasting power--thanks to the high concentration of quality ingredients--is impressive. Occasionally, I like to pair scents like this with a bespoke suit and often wear polished, sophisticated fragrances like Heritage or Bois du Portugal with jeans and a sweater--the contrast is unexpected and all the more interesting because of it. Definitely a try before you buy, but give these a try and do not think of them in terms of Black Afgano--they can stand on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    If I may be serious for a moment...for newer folks reading thread and deciding whether to dabble in animal notes, please don't just fall into the "I don't want to smell like shit/piss/vomit/whatever" trap.

    There's a lot of over-the-top language here that doesn't reflect how these scents are actually designed to perform and evolve. You might get a some offputting notes on top, but outside of the intentional shockers like Secretions Magnifiques etc. that are best avoided, you'll simply smell very different from modern trends, warm, and "alive" (that's how I interpret these accords). And maybe you won't like that style, and that's fine. But you won't smell like dogshit and vomit (for long...), I promise.

    I suggest starting with something like Dzing! to get a taste of what "barnyard" can mean in a larger context while remaining pretty tame. Maybe something like Rochas Moustache to see the warmth and depth of civet done approachably. Declaration for cumin. Baby steps. If you're already a fan of some classics, you won't be shocked.
    Well said. Some of my favourite scents of all time open with something a bit nasty, but then turn into something rather glorious ( Jicky and Mouchoir De Monsieur come to mind) and I've often wondered what the precise relationship is between the nastiness and the glory - whether they are two sides of the same coin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starblind View Post
    I have zero interest in scents (or people) that smell "squeaky clean." How boring and boringly sanitized would the world be if everyone smelled of unscented soap and detergent and dryer sheets? (That was a rhetorical question.)

    And besides Brent Leonesio's No 8, I can't think of a frag that truly smells of poop. (And even that one smells pretty great.) MKK has a top note that smells the tiniest bit fecal, but absolutely no one who smells you in public is going to run away gagging.

    I am slightly less enamored of perfumes that contain an overdose of cumin, simply because that note reminds me of food and I'm not a fan of gourmand scents. But the addition of civet, castoreum, cumin, costus, hyrax, and musk (if handled well) make fragrances all the more deep and warm and sensual. I would, in fact, lose most of my interest in scent, if animalic notes were eliminated.

    I completely appreciate where you are coming from on the ‘squeaky clean’ side I really do but that is one extreme of the spectrum. I think what you are saying, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is that you dislike the attempt at clinical de-scenting of our normal odour as humans. My personal view on that is that some individuals wish to remove their connection to the wider animal world and associated ancestry. A big part of that is societal conditioning and as we moved further away from our ancient roots as a species and became more ‘refined’ some may have found it necessary to compensate for something they felt was missing which was previously there.

    The other end of the spectrum though is not a pretty nor pleasant olfactory experience either. Not washing at all and bad personal hygiene isn’t acceptable for people existing in close quarters to one another and even wild animals bathe to clean themselves.

    The use of animalics as used in perfumery will always be a point of contention between those who enjoy the more ripe and raw smell of nature compared to those that prefer the smell of soap. Ultimately for most its probably somewhere in the middle. That said, there are animalics and then there are HaniMalics and certain challenging ingredients are tolerated less so than others even among seasoned perfume users.

    I wonder if like soft drugs can be a gateway to harder ones, less animalic notes can be a gateway to dirtier ones.
    Perhaps cumin leads to urine, urine leads to faecals, faecals lead to....suffering. (Couldn’t resist the Yoda reference there.)

    Maybe its just that after prolonged exposure to certain stimuli over a period of time creates a desensitising effect and more extreme stimuli will will be required to achieve a similar effect as is observed with eg pornography, drugs, violence etc

    I certainly prefer my animalics to be an embellishing sprinkle rather than the main theme of my fumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2018 View Post
    Yeah, you're right mate. I am very sensitive to smells and due to having a thorough self care regime myself I am quick to catch the scent of people who don't, which to be honest is many people, particularly on the London Tube and public transport. I don't want to sound judgemental, but soap and water cost nothing!

    I can tell if someone has showered in the morning or has just thrown on fresh clothing and has simply had a few sprays to mask it lol, perhaps I should look for a new career??? .....sorry going off topic!
    Have to agree, real, human stench isn't very appealing, not on the tube, not in someone's trousers (some dudes on Craigslist looking for something "ripe" may disagree of course). I haven't smelled Secretions Magnifiques but I guess it's the one perfume that might recreate some smells that normally aren't used to sell perfume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rüssel View Post
    Have to agree, real, human stench isn't very appealing, not on the tube, not in someone's trousers (some dudes on Craigslist looking for something "ripe" may disagree of course). I haven't smelled Secretions Magnifiques but I guess it's the one perfume that might recreate some smells that normally aren't used to sell perfume.
    'Something ripe'. OM goodness. I've led a sheltered life I think :-0 LOL Each to their own :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Krycek View Post
    Can someone post a list of examples of "scents that have faecal or animalistic tones"?

    Another one, which I own, would be Creed Bois de Santal
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    SixCats mentioned Zoologist Bat but maybe more fitting would be Zoologist Hyrax which contains hyraceum aka African stone aka fossilised poop.

    I wore it blind once to work, after receiving a sample, and it felt like a colleague or four had 'a leaky one in the chamber' but it was me giving off these odours. Definitely a scrubber for me and the sample was quickly disposed of.

    Animalic is not my bag.

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    Gives a new meaning to 16 in the clip and one in the hole.

    I was also in a shop today where the staff were attempting to air the place out and told me a suited gentleman had just vacated their premises and they then proceeded to deodorise with air freshener. They actually said his aftershave smelt like he had shat himself so toasty I do understand your reluctance to try another Air of Incontinence. I would however suggest you at least try Kouros.

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    Take Pinaud Lilac Vegetal.. some think it reeks of cat pee. Others find it delightfully floral. But stick your face in a bouquet of Lilacs you do get a sharp, almost ammonia type feel. I think a lot of it depends on the nose and brain. Not all scents are completely "objective" when it comes to how they smell to different people.

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