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    Roja Dove?

    People think they're greatest because they are very expensive. But are they really so great?

    IMHO - yes, they are.

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    I actually love the Byredo fragrances and the bottles--they kind of fit my lifestyle much more than a tacky gold bottle of Millesime Imperial. Some of Byredo fragrances are very strange but most are pleasant, simple, and linear. For me, that's enough. I honestly would feel tacky wearing any Creed. They remind of me Rolex watches.

    Creed and Bond No.9 in my opinion, are the worst offenders and they have been for years. Bond No.9 especially with those ugly bottles and subpar customer service. Le Labo is a close third for most overrated. Rose 31 is nice though. Perfume is just getting more expensive it seems?

    Around $180 is the most I'll pay for a bottle of perfume really. I'm very fortunate that I work in a kitchen! I can only wear fragrance during off days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post
    Surprised to see Chanel mentioned by more than a few people.

    I would GLADLY take Egoiste, Eau de Cologne, Allure Homme Edition Blanche, Pour Monsieur, Bleu EDP (or EDT), Allure Homme Sport, Allure Homme Sport Cologne Sport, and even Platinum Egoiste over 90% of other houses - designer or niche.

    Egoiste and Eau de Cologne are flat out masterpieces to me (and I would guess to many others here). I understand if Bleu isn't someones thing, or if some of the Allure stuff isn't quite what they are looking for, but I really do not see a drop in quality (Just bought a bottle of Eau de Cologne this month and smells as natural as it did years ago).

    While they are not cranking out the new releases, they have been pretty steady.

    I see far more warning signs with Dior than I do with Chanel at the moment (if we are looking at how things are trending).
    The older men's fragrances from Chanel are masterpieces, they do capture a cult by those who are passionate about vintage stuff. There's some good ones from the women's line as well like No 19 and No 22. Eau de Cologne is nice as well although I've only smelled the one from the Les Exclusifs.

    The one decision that I've not liked from Chanel is the switch from EDT to EDP. The newer stuff haven't been as appealing to me particularly Bleu and Allure Homme Eau Extreme.
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    Agree completely with Tracerbullet and MELVCMS01
    Well said.

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    For me, it's always been Tom Ford. Nothing has ever struck me for justifying purchasing a bottle of any of thier fragrances.
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    Voyage d'Hermes
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    I have only tried oil dupes so I could be totally way off, but among the ones I've bought, there's not a lot from Killian that I enjoyed. Too heavy, sweet or syrupy.

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    My honest answer? Creed.
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    Jo "Blink and its gone" Malone.
    Yes indeed!

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    Bond and Tom Ford.Who is Tom Ford? Both very expensive.In other words extremely over priced.And in the case of Bond some of the worst looking bottles.Creed is also overrated.Frankly I was surprised when I started reading Basenotes how popular Creed was on this forum and is always being mentioned.I have no interest in any of those 3 brands even if some of their colognes may be good.

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    Now that you’re laughing, I see the foot is finally out of your mouth. Enjoy your Balenciagas...
    I won't address the childish personal insult, but just about any other major fragrance house, along with some minor ones, I would take over Chanel, again, if I could only wear those of one house. Givenchy, YSL, Dior, Guerlain, etc. (even Bogart would blow Chanel away, so long as I could get whichever formulation I wanted). Yes, those who love BdC and Allure flankers are likely in olfactory heaven with Chanel, but the OP only asked that the respondent explain his opinion, not that he/she subscribe to your notion of an "objective metric." Readers can judge for themselves, but to me Chanel's recent fragrances are disappointing and there's only one vintage scent (Antaeus) that I would wear regularly. Because Chanel's name is so huge, at least here, I would have to be quite an illogical thinker to not believe they were overrated and underperforming with fragrances. If you want to make an argument about how groundbreaking several of their recent fragrances are, I'm certainly interested in hearing about that notion, since I have not sampled them all, but the "objective metrics" thing should be discarded, lest you make your point of view appear to be of the "fanboy" variety, IMO.

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    I’m sorry if I offended you, dear Bigsly. Sometimes I forget not everyone can laugh things off as easily or as quickly as I can.

    But back to topic. If all you wear is vintage Antaeus it is clear to everyone here that Chanel doesn’t find favor with you as a fragrance house. But to describe a house as underperforming because you don’t like most of their offerings is too much of a stretch, wouldn’t you agree? That argument just won’t hold water.

    I OTOH happen to enjoy many Chanel fragrances incl. those marketed to women. I have reviewed them too. That qualifies me as an informed discerning fan, not a fanboy ( ‘childish insult’, no?). I don’t think highly of their Allure line either and I’m not moved by BdC trio as some others were. Still I wouldn’t call Chanel ‘overrated’ nor ‘underperforming’. As a house they’re keeping tight reins on quality and distribution, they’re not twiddling thimbs sitting on their arses, producing releases that please their fans (I like Boy Chanel btw).

    Can you say the same of your preferred house Balenciaga /Bogart? Out of curiosity how many Balenciagas or Bogarts do you own and wear? Formulation issues (lol) aside, are these 2 houses underperforming? What’s your take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayberry2 View Post
    Bond and Tom Ford.Who is Tom Ford? Both very expensive.In other words extremely over priced.And in the case of Bond some of the worst looking bottles.Creed is also overrated.Frankly I was surprised when I started reading Basenotes how popular Creed was on this forum and is always being mentioned.I have no interest in any of those 3 brands even if some of their colognes may be good.
    wow.

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    even Bogart would blow Chanel away, so long as I could get whichever formulation I wanted


    Not sure which planet you are on Bigsly..

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    even Bogart would blow Chanel away, so long as I could get whichever formulation I wanted


    Not sure which planet you are on Bigsly..
    Please explain your argument, as the OP required. I can wear a bunch of Bogart fragrances on a regular basis, which is my criteria, as I explained in my first post to this thread. Nobody I know even knows there is a house of Bogart, until I tell them about it. They have all heard of Chanel and know this house sells fragrances.

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    I’m sorry if I offended you, dear Bigsly. Sometimes I forget not everyone can laugh things off as easily or as quickly as I can.

    But back to topic. If all you wear is vintage Antaeus it is clear to everyone here that Chanel doesn’t find favor with you as a fragrance house. But to describe a house as underperforming because you don’t like most of their offerings is too much of a stretch, wouldn’t you agree? That argument just won’t hold water.

    I OTOH happen to enjoy many Chanel fragrances incl. those marketed to women. I have reviewed them too. That qualifies me as an informed discerning fan, not a fanboy ( ‘childish insult’, no?). I don’t think highly of their Allure line either and I’m not moved by BdC trio as some others were. Still I wouldn’t call Chanel ‘overrated’ nor ‘underperforming’. As a house they’re keeping tight reins on quality and distribution, they’re not twiddling thimbs sitting on their arses, producing releases that please their fans (I like Boy Chanel btw).

    Can you say the same of your preferred house Balenciaga /Bogart? Out of curiosity how many Balenciagas or Bogarts do you own and wear? Formulation issues (lol) aside, are these 2 houses underperforming? What’s your take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    I have a relative I see once in a while, though I don't usually enjoy it. He loves to mock others but gets offended if anyone says anything even slightly offensive to him in any way. He says he is "joking" whenever he is called out on this. If you want to talk about people with their feet in their mouths as a joke, I suggest you begin with your own feet in your own mouth, lest you come across as the kind of person this relative of mine is (who few people want to spend much time with).
    I wasn’t joking. Since I wasn’t the one who took offence that means you must referring to yourself then. But you may have the last word if you wish. Now can we please get back to the topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    Please explain your argument.
    To some of the comments you make regarding your obscure tastes and remarks there'd need to be more than 24 hours in the day to do so - in which i wont waste another minute of mine on.

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    For myself, Bond No 9 takes first place, no question.
    Came to this thread because I wonder how such expensive frags like BNo 9 could be so cheap. One called Cooper Square that smelled like rusty copper wire and mint toothpaste, and then the spring greenish frag whose name I am forgetting. Tested that and tossed it. Never again.

    I don't know why all the disappointment, not to say hate, for Creed. I reviewed for a while before a purchase, love Aventus, GIT, Original Santal, and just purchased Bois du Portugal. I think the recent price hike reflects the market segment...some city wealthy folks are hanging around their boutiques and spending money. If folks love your line of merchandise you'll watch the price tag rise.
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    Acqua di Parma

    I still can't understand why this house gets so much respect. Their Blu Mediterraneo line, in particular, is screamingly synthetic. And their Colonia Leather has one of the most offensively rubbery, pore-impregnating "leather" notes I've ever smelled--I would say it's a scrubber, but it's actually unscrubbable.

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    bond no. 9 for me. i actually quite like a number of their frags, but they should be selling for about 1/2 to 1/3 of what they do.

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    I would like to add Atelier Cologne to the long list. I have tried most of their range several times and I always leave the shop irritated. They are for me mediocre at best and their prices here in France are horrendous !!!
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    I would like to add Atelier Cologne to the long list. I have tried most of their range several times and I always leave the shop irritated. They are for me mediocre at best and their prices here in France are horrendous !!!
    I've noted before that I tried their offerings when they first launched and found many of them to be repetitive of other scents. There's a tea one that reminded me of Bvlgari, another that reminded me of Varvatos Artisan, and a few others. They weren't bad scents, but I didn't get paying that much more for, well, more, for something that I already had (more being the large bottles.) Haven't tried any since.
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    Atelier - watery formulas

    Parfums de Marly - sleazy marketing, reformulations & overpriced clone house

    Creed - reformulations in recent years and constant increasing prices
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    Bond No.9 - Other than New Haarlem everything I have tried has been pretty awful. Quite synthetic and nothing particularly original.

    Mancera/Montale - To me both these houses are quantity over quality. How many releases?? You would have thought they had been around for 200 years.

    Roja Dove - Nothing I have tried from this house has been bad. Most have been decent to quite good. Bearing in mind the price point I would have expected more. Nothing blew me away and certainly nothing to justify the obscene prices.
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    I agree with Bond No 9.

    I have owned and loved Bleecker St but all of their other popular fragrances are like synth bombs that overwhelm me.
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