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    Default How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    After smelling Pacific Lime (and plenty others by Atelier Colognes, a house known for distilling much of their own citrus materials), I am utterly impressed by the tenacity of the citrus notes.

    I understand that much of this must be due to the use of aromachemicals to push what are typically-short-lived notes back into the near-drydown.

    But what rough percentage of their citrus success would you attribute to the use of aromachems vs. simply using high-quality distillations? Is there a way to mix the naturals with synthetics in such a way as to affix the radiance of the naturals to the skin longer? What alchemical magics are being perpetrated here?

    Bonus: have you ever created a citrus frag or accord you were particularly proud of (either for its tenacity or its overall quality?) What was in it, if you don't mind sharing?

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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    Have you seen my three weeks on the strip Long Lasting Lemon base?
    This is created by making proprietary molecules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Have you seen my three weeks on the strip Long Lasting Lemon base?
    This is created by making proprietary molecules.
    I have only heard tell of it in prior threads. Where might I find more information on this, Paul? I'd like to experiment with it

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    I'm very new to this too so don't take my word for it, but: I believe that if you mix citral with methyl anthranilate, you get a really long-lasting citrus. I think they both have natural isolates available if you're concerned about that.

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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    Quote Originally Posted by SubUmbra View Post
    I have only heard tell of it in prior threads. Where might I find more information on this, Paul? I'd like to experiment with it
    https://perfumersupplyhouse.com/prod...mon-exclusive/
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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    Depending on the manufactuer/fragrance house, they could be using captive naturals like Givaudan's Orpur range of citrus materials which boast increased longevity among other characteristics.

    Just speculation here.


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    Sorry just chiming in here, should this be treated like citrus with dilution/safety? If it's very strong what would you recommend as a percentage?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    Quote Originally Posted by kida2007 View Post
    Sorry just chiming in here, should this be treated like citrus with dilution/safety? If it's very strong what would you recommend as a percentage?

    Thanks
    In my description, it says this: "contains 14% furo-coumarin reduced natural lemon cold pressed essential oil."

    But it is also fairly strong. I'd recommend 1-3% to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    In my description, it says this: "contains 14% furo-coumarin reduced natural lemon cold pressed essential oil."

    But it is also fairly strong. I'd recommend 1-3% to start with.
    Cool, thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    In my description, it says this: "contains 14% furo-coumarin reduced natural lemon cold pressed essential oil."

    But it is also fairly strong. I'd recommend 1-3% to start with.
    Fairly strong

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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    I recently got sample of Litsea Cubeba essential oil. You know how when you open the sample vial and then close it, sometimes a few micro drops spray? From that small amount, instant lemon scent filled my entire space. Not just regular lemon but SUPER LEMON!

    Eden Botanicals includes this quote: "It smells more like Lemon than Lemon and adds body to citrus blends."* Very true.

    *Lawless, Alec. Artisan Perfumery or Being Led by the Nose, 2009, p. 67.

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    Default Re: How Does Atelier Colognes Do It??

    Quote Originally Posted by GemJedi View Post
    I recently got sample of Litsea Cubeba essential oil. You know how when you open the sample vial and then close it, sometimes a few micro drops spray? From that small amount, instant lemon scent filled my entire space. Not just regular lemon but SUPER LEMON!

    Eden Botanicals includes this quote: "It smells more like Lemon than Lemon and adds body to citrus blends."* Very true.

    *Lawless, Alec. Artisan Perfumery or Being Led by the Nose, 2009, p. 67.
    The lemon odor is from the Citral molecule.
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