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    Default UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?


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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Wow, that seems like there's a potential for a real mess in that region regarding fragrances.
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    EU27 importers of cosmetic products manufactured in the UK will become responsible persons for these products "by default" - European Commission published guidelines. The alternative is to appoint a responsible person, it’s not a requirement.

    Unlikely the UK will adopt stricter regulations rather than simply assimilate existing EU regs, to be honest.

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    If only we could find a way to review the scientific testing behind the EU regulations of materials such as oakmoss. There are snippets of comments from scientifically minded people that call out the results/methodology. I really do hope that things don't become even more dogmatic than EU regulations here in the UK. I know the petitions submitted a few years ago to the EU didn't yield any results but could there be a way for perfume lovers and experts to contest dogmatic restrictions? If by any miracle we could avoid stricter regulations or maybe even start using lost materials that aren't as deadly as believed, I think it could increase competitiveness. Of course there will be lots of cost and worries, but despite the bedlam and instability, I think everyone should take an optimistic approach.

    Obviously regulations are important with industries such as gambling, and if all cosmetic regulations were scrubbed, people will of course take advantage with nefarious schemes in mind. But I really hope our country won't be perceived as a "nanny" country where citizens lose out on choice due to excessive regulations backed by potentially inaccurate research. Didn't we also have a grand perfume history?
    Personally I think there is a real opportunity amongst this despair.

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Another example of how Brexit will make life that much harder for UK business.

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Quote Originally Posted by HauteParfumGourmand View Post
    If only we could find a way to review the scientific testing behind the EU regulations of materials such as oakmoss. There are snippets of comments from scientifically minded people that call out the results/methodology. I really do hope that things don't become even more dogmatic than EU regulations here in the UK. I know the petitions submitted a few years ago to the EU didn't yield any results but could there be a way for perfume lovers and experts to contest dogmatic restrictions? If by any miracle we could avoid stricter regulations or maybe even start using lost materials that aren't as deadly as believed, I think it could increase competitiveness. Of course there will be lots of cost and worries, but despite the bedlam and instability, I think everyone should take an optimistic approach.

    Obviously regulations are important with industries such as gambling, and if all cosmetic regulations were scrubbed, people will of course take advantage with nefarious schemes in mind. But I really hope our country won't be perceived as a "nanny" country where citizens lose out on choice due to excessive regulations backed by potentially inaccurate research. Didn't we also have a grand perfume history?
    Personally I think there is a real opportunity amongst this despair.

    All the best for all the businesses attending the workshops.
    I agree. Very good points, well made. I know there is a lot of uncertainty and I may be missing something in my take on it above but I am also optimistic an arrangement will be agreed. If there isn’t, I agree, it doesn’t have to be seen as automatically bad in terms of regulations.

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    the regulations are ridiculous. If they compelled disclosure, and let the consumer decide it would be fine.

    I believe they were always about favoring synthetic AC manufacturers more than anything else.

    Maybe more good stuff will come out of USA and Asia that will be based on good raw materials and non-compliant with stupid EU or maybe British regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broguesforsir View Post
    EU27 importers of cosmetic products manufactured in the UK will become responsible persons for these products "by default" - European Commission published guidelines. The alternative is to appoint a responsible person, it’s not a requirement.

    Unlikely the UK will adopt stricter regulations rather than simply assimilate existing EU regs, to be honest.
    For the moment, yes, as they are too busy to set up an entirely new regime, the UK is planning to copy all the EU ones straight over. However, it's not yet in place. There are some vociferous UK dermatologists who would like to take this opportunity to increase regulations, but they will probably duplicate and adopt the forthcoming EU ones.
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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Quote Originally Posted by thrilledchilled View Post
    the regulations are ridiculous. If they compelled disclosure, and let the consumer decide it would be fine.

    I believe they were always about favoring synthetic AC manufacturers more than anything else.

    Maybe more good stuff will come out of USA and Asia that will be based on good raw materials and non-compliant with stupid EU or maybe British regulations.
    One of this issues is that consumers with allergies don't know what they're allergic to. They often assume it's synthetics, when it's the chemicals produced by plants to defend themselves, which occur naturally in essential oils. The secrecy is to protect intellectual property, because perfume formulas can't be patented or copyright. I could disclose my formulas but I choose not to because I'm already at a disadvantage against companies with budgets. The other reason is that we'd need much bigger boxes to list everything in the formulas.
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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4160Tuesdays View Post
    For the moment, yes, as they are too busy to set up an entirely new regime, the UK is planning to copy all the EU ones straight over. However, it's not yet in place. There are some vociferous UK dermatologists who would like to take this opportunity to increase regulations, but they will probably duplicate and adopt the forthcoming EU ones.
    Ah, thanks for the clarification.

    There’s always someone in the medical field hell-bent on making a name for themselves, isn’t there? Let us hope such zealots are not given licence.

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpfrog View Post
    Another example of how Brexit will make life that much harder for UK business.
    This is pretty much it. The EU is a long way from perfect, but unfortunately it has been protecting us from some of the worst excesses of the UK state for a while now. I expect things to get worse over time as borrowed EU regulation gets replaced.

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    Default The Art Of Perfumery Is Dying (Thanks To IFRA)

    I have an idea, why don't WE lobby our governments to dismantle and BAN the IFRA??? It's time to start fighting back. How ridiculous is it to ban a perfume ingredient just because it may cause skin irritation on certain users? How about just requiring the perfume house to put a warning on every bottle of perfume that reads, "Warning, some ingredients in this product may cause skin irritation on some individuals. If irritation occurs, discontinue use." How simple is that? Why are we allowing the IFRA to ruin the art of perfumery? It's disgusting, the tyranny we put up with. When do we start fighting back? I have a theory to what is going on with IFRA, and it is simply this, NATURAL God-given fragrances from natural sources, such as Oak Moss for example, can NOT be patented! Therefore, billions of dollars can not be made by the companies that produce synthetic fragrance chemicals. The IFRA was most likely set up by these companies with the goal of banning or restricting natural fragrance oils, and replacing them with synthetic chemicals. Pretty soon, ALL perfumes, edt's and colognes will smell like Axe body spray!!! The longer we allow this to go on, the more natural ingredients will be banned or restricted. And they pour millions of dollars into phony "studies" to make sure more harmless natural substances are named "harmful" and replaced by chemical POISONS! The art of perfumery is dying. And for WHAT??? Enough is enough!!! We CAN put an end to this insanity!

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    If your vote could actually change anything you wouldn't have one hence why the lobbying approach is a non starter.

    The whole shell game of IFRA/Aroma chemical suppliers/Perfumers is a scam of the highest order as evidenced by the pitiful excuses they peddle for their motivations as they're all huddling in the same financially sound bed.

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    Default We Should Demand The IFRA Be INVESTIGATED For FRAUD.

    Lets band together and demand IFRA be investigated for fraud. If we can prove their collusion with the synthetic fragrance producers we can get IFRA dismantled and banned. This scam is destroying the art of perfumery and we CAN put a stop to it! We can't just throw our arms up in the air in defeat. We HAVE to fight back!

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpfrog View Post
    Another example of how Brexit will make life that much harder for UK business.
    Exactly. I seriously fear for our hobby's future here in the UK... and this article highlights the source of the issues is not the EU but Britain itself. Wonderful article, Sarah - thanks so much!
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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

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    Default Re: UK perfumers and EU Cosmetic Regulations post Brexit. Now What?

    Well, getting UK fragrance shipped to the EU is already a big problem itself - even without BREXIT.

    As the transport companies with prohibitions, when it comes to the shipment of perfume - terrible. Pure idiocy!

    With year to year worse!
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    IFRA... let's ban natural plant extracts and replace them with cheap chemicals manufactured by giant corporations (Firmenich).

    When will people wake up?




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