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    Default Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    Ok, maybe not death. But certainly hefty fines.

    In what world could I ever buy an album, burn the popular songs onto another compact disc (or mp3, whatever) and then sell those for my own profit? Is it ok to buy a Louis Vuitton purse, cut out the label and sew it into a Kmart bag and sell that for profit? Maybe I should buy an original Banksy print, make some copies at OfficeMax and sell those out of the trunk of my car...

    Yet we're ok with the loads of talentless hacks selling decants on Ebay, Youtube and ecommerce stores. And nothing is being done about it. What gives?

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    I don't know about all that but I do think eBay should ban decant sellers and delete to posting. Infuriating that for almost any given fragrance I can find 20 results for decants for every bottle available to purchase.

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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    That argument has so many faulty analogies I don't even know where to start.

    Hopefully this'll get locked before too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustardsalad View Post
    That argument has so many faulty analogies I don't even know where to start.

    Hopefully this'll get locked before too long.
    Oh, the "so-many-I-don't-even-know-where-to-start-so-I-won't-have-to-bother-trying-to-make-a-case-but-still-get-my-two-cents-in" argument.

    Come on, you can do better than that. I honestly don't see how decanting for profit is acceptable behavior.

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    Lol at punishable by death but yes it should be illegal and it is unethical. I laugh when people here get mad at business practices by brands like bond no 9 to protect their brand, in efforts to support the decanters own unethical behaviors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutSmut View Post
    I don't know about all that but I do think eBay should ban decant sellers and delete to posting. Infuriating that for almost any given fragrance I can find 20 results for decants for every bottle available to purchase.
    Ebay actually used to be much more up tight about sellers redistributing decants. Bond and Creed used to go after sellers pretty often, and have them remove their decants, or face a strike on their seller profile.

    Not sure what happened, or why they changed their policy, but I am happy with it. It gives people the opportunity to sample things before committing to buying a full bottle.
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    The biggest problem with your argument is this. If I buy a CD and burn copies of it, I still get to keep the original. That should be, and is, illegal. But buying a flacon of juice is different. I buy the flacon at a discounted price and I then sell smaller amounts to others that want to enjoy it at a fraction of the cost of a retail bottle. I don't get to keep what I sell. I can't make copies of a flacon. If I'm spending money on decant bottles, labels and shipping, and spending my time to split the juice, I should make a little profit. I highly doubt there are splitters that are making so much profit that they can quit their day jobs. Interesting topic.


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    Because you're giving away portions of your product, therefore it's no different than selling anything else.

    Not much going on for ya today eh?

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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    Change my mind - trolling should be punishable by death.


    I buy a crate of Coca-Cola taking advantage of the discount for volume, but instead of drinking it all myself I decide to sell them off. Off with my head.

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    Disrupting an industry by taking advantage of technology to take over the usual distribution and retail networks? Surely there must be a fate worse than death for this.
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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    I don't follow your argument.
    You seem to be against the free market system - as what you describe as something that should be banned is something that happens millions of times every day - namely, someone buys bulk quantity or quantities at a certain price, then splits them up and sells lesser quantities at higher prices.
    It happens in every shop and every Ebay store and among numerous Ebay sellers.

    Instead you conflate and confuse this normal activity with both fraudulent activities designed to deceive buyers (Louis Vuitton labels on K-Mart bags), and with illegal activities (copying copyrighted music and prints and selling them).

    There isn't any fraud or illegality in selling legitimate decants (not fakes), unless some country or other has passed some law making it illegal to do so.
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    'Changing your mind' seems to be your favorite hobby lately...you might consider storing your announcements here: http://www.basenotes.net/forums/24-Just-Starting-Out
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    Maybe the op should be punishable by death
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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    As said, free market. Walmart buys bulk loads of Doritos. They then sell smaller portions of those Doritos that they bought. Switching labels would be counterfeiting. I think most basenoters are anti-counterfeits.
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    Perfume is a semi-persishable, non ingestible (unless you really try...) good which is easily divided. The packaging can be copyrighted, but the contents cannot. Comparing fragrance to music or counterfeits (assuming the decants are legitimate of course) is a very flawed argument.

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    OP, are these questions you come up with while living in your mother's basement?
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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

    Quote Originally Posted by The People's Champ View Post
    Because you're giving away portions of your product, therefore it's no different than selling anything else.

    Not much going on for ya today eh?
    Try buying a pack of cigarettes and "giving away" (not what I said -- I said "selling") individual cigarettes in New York. You can't. It's illegal and you'll be arrested, or killed if you remember the case of Eric Garner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notspendingamillion View Post
    As said, free market. Walmart buys bulk loads of Doritos. They then sell smaller portions of those Doritos that they bought. Switching labels would be counterfeiting. I think most basenoters are anti-counterfeits.
    You clearly know nothing about how markets work. Walmart buys bulk loads of Doritos at wholesale prices in business agreements with brand owners. So the brand is guaranteed to move, say, 3000 units a week. Walmart sells at a markup of their purchased price to pocket the difference and provide a vehicle for the brand to move product. This is a legal arrangement backed by contracts.

    Try buying some prescribed pills and selling them individually around town. Not legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    There isn't any fraud or illegality in selling legitimate decants (not fakes), unless some country or other has passed some law making it illegal to do so.
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    That's why I just said it SHOULD be illegal. You're saying it shouldn't be illegal because it's not illegal. That doesn't make a point at all.

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    That’s just absurd. Decant sellers are merely providing a service to cater to the needs of a consumer segment not satisfactorily met by the industry. Not everybody wants to buy 50 ml or 100 ml of fragrance . Not everybody wants to sell a kidney to buy a bottle of Roja Dove/Clive Christian either when a more affordable decant offers plenty of wears to scratch that itch. If you want to blame anyone blame the fragrance houses for NOT offering samples, discovery sets or travel-friendly options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostri View Post
    Ok, maybe not death. But certainly hefty fines.

    In what world could I ever buy an album, burn the popular songs onto another compact disc (or mp3, whatever) and then sell those for my own profit? Is it ok to buy a Louis Vuitton purse, cut out the label and sew it into a Kmart bag and sell that for profit? Maybe I should buy an original Banksy print, make some copies at OfficeMax and sell those out of the trunk of my car...

    Yet we're ok with the loads of talentless hacks selling decants on Ebay, Youtube and ecommerce stores. And nothing is being done about it. What gives?
    Just so I understand fully. You're talking about selling fake decants?? Or are you including the real deal??
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    Default Re: Change My Mind: Selling fragrance decants should be illegal and punishable by death

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    Bwahahhahahahah all round

    Whats with all the totally trollworthy threads of late? I'm a betting man and I'd happily wager that all of the main proponents know each other anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostri View Post
    You clearly know nothing about how markets work. Walmart buys bulk loads of Doritos at wholesale prices in business agreements with brand owners. So the brand is guaranteed to move, say, 3000 units a week. Walmart sells at a markup of their purchased price to pocket the difference and provide a vehicle for the brand to move product. This is a legal arrangement backed by contracts.

    Try buying some prescribed pills and selling them individually around town. Not legal.
    i don’t think controlled products like cigarettes and pharmaceuticals are really analogous. There are other reasons why the sale of cigarettes and pharmaceuticals are closely controlled and regulated. Those reasons don’t apply to fragrance.
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    Apart from very small quantities distributed either commercially or even cost free for very limited testing purposes alone, can partly agree especially regarding larger amounts of perfume decanted in larger sized bottles.
    Maybe not downright illegal, fined, punishable etc. but still perhaps more closely, precisely and carefully regulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Russell View Post
    Apart from very small quantities distributed either commercially or even cost free for very limited testing purposes alone, can partly agree especially regarding larger amounts of perfume decanted in larger sized bottles.
    Maybe not downright illegal, fined, punishable etc. but still perhaps more closely, precisely and carefully regulated.
    I bet the IFRA would be willing to help write some good regulations.
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    I don’t think there’s a problem tbh, you’ve bought the original item at its retail price set by the supplier, if you decide to decant it down and sell it on (as long as it’s not modified) I can’t see what the issue would be? People can calculate basic math and work out if you are making a profitable margin on the decant (factoring bottles, sprayers, packaging, postage and most importantly time into the equation).

    All that changing this would do is drive it underground but it wouldn’t change the fact that people are still going to split frags.
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