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    This is a bummer, one of my absolute favorite perfumes...

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    Fuck !

    I still have the old can -- there is nothing left inside, but nevertheless

    -- a once great fragrance House is just imploding

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    I bought a black tin can partial about two years ago, but it’s just never clicked for me.
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    Thankfully I have a number of tin can versions in my back up vault! It is a truly great fragrance.

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    Never inhaled it as it didn't appeal but will add it to the splits anyway now that its on its way out in case others are in the same boat. Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    Prices are already super high. I thought this was already discontinued?
    The original tin can version has been discontinued for a few years now. They had a glass bottle re-issue that has been pulled now too apparently. I wonder if M7 Absolu will be/already is pulled as well?

    I actually sold my used tin can on Ebay some time ago. Even then I made a pretty good margin. Would definitely do even better selling it now... To me it was an ok scent. But not like a "must own" by any means.
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    Took a look at Ebay...and yep I will be nursing my bottle and seeing how long I can make this one last. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyP View Post
    The original tin can version has been discontinued for a few years now. They had a glass bottle re-issue that has been pulled now too apparently. I wonder if M7 Absolu will be/already is pulled as well?

    I actually sold my used tin can on Ebay some time ago. Even then I made a pretty good margin. Would definitely do even better selling it now... To me it was an ok scent. But not like a "must own" by any means.
    Damn. Probably another one of the older scents I'll never get a chance with.

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    RIP.

    Beau de jour is better so you have a great alternative.
    I know this is a troll reply, but it's got me thinking: Is it possible, since he was the creative director for Rive Gauche, that Ford still has some sort of rights to this. and he's trying to totally monopolize on the traditional aromatic fougere by somehow forcing YSL to cease production? It would certainly make sense, seeing how he's put out quite a few recently meanwhile they are nowhere to be seen in the designer sector. It also ties in with what ZC was saying about how the designer sector is seemingly forcing brazenly chemical smelling fragrances on us while anything more "nautral" or "traditional" smelling is relegated to luxury/niche lines.

    Or do you think that scents like this simply don't sell? I think with proper marketing they definitely could, in fact in my area there have been a resurgence of the "early 20th century" style barbershops popping up, with guys with moustaches and striped aprons/white shirts staffing them, and they're very successful. Just some food for thought...

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    I doubt Tom Ford has any legal claim to anything he produced for YSL. That wouldn't have been contractually allowed for obvious reasons.

    FWIW, I quite like Fougere D'Argent, TF's alleged Rive Gauche recreation. My wife wears it all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack103 View Post
    Is it possible, since he was the creative director for Rive Gauche, that Ford still has some sort of rights to this. and he's trying to totally monopolize on the traditional aromatic fougere by somehow forcing YSL to cease production?
    I am doubtful that he has any rights to it.

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    That's what I assumed. Still, capitalism works in crazy ways, and like I said it's interesting to say the least that he's releasing countless fougeres over the past few years while there have been none from any department store-level designers.

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    FWIW I've tried all the TF nu-geres; Beau de Jour is the best of the lot to me, but they aren't on the same level of complexity and abstraction (even though they could be heavier, higher concentration etc.). The re-released Fougere Royale is okay, nothing great, and also quite different - more green. I'd want to try the latest Invasion Barbare to see if it is any better than what it was. To anyone who's not only tried but actually gone through bottles of earlier stuff from Yves Saint Laurent would know that these were on a different level. I got hooked on to those more so than anything else, including Dior, Chanel, Guerlain or Hermes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    The re-released Fougere Royale is okay, nothing great
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack103 View Post
    That's what I assumed. Still, capitalism works in crazy ways, and like I said it's interesting to say the least that he's releasing countless fougeres over the past few years while there have been none from any department store-level designers.
    He is just doing what he does, rehashing past creations and releasing at a premium price.

    Italian Cypress -> vintage Z14
    Plum Japonais -> Feminite du Bois
    Amber Absolute -> Ambre Sultan
    Vert d'Encens -> Italian Cypress
    Lavender Extreme -> Caron Pour Un Homme
    Tobacco Vanille -> Fumerie Turque

    It just goes on and on. It's not as blatant as Roja Dove, also less quality, about half as much for two-thirds the price; more of a linear front-loaded style, that's optimised at attracting the interest of casual buyers and fanboy enthusiasts.

    I mean, it does have some real standouts like Tuscan Leather and even Tobacco Vanille (if one likes those sweet tobacco fragrances). But the issue is that the line came out in 2007 and since then has slowly gone downhill.

    Edit: Designers just want to copy Sauvage which wanted to copy Bleu de Chanel but has found its own place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack103 View Post
    How is the clear glass bottle with the green juice? Looking at it right now...

    Also I've seen that Luca Turin and a couple of other reviewers mention that Drakkar Noir shares some similarities, how accurate is that?
    I would say Tuscany by Aramis not Drakkar Noir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    He is just doing what he does, rehashing past creations and releasing at a premium price.

    Italian Cypress -> vintage Z14
    Plum Japonais -> Feminite du Bois
    Amber Absolute -> Ambre Sultan
    Vert d'Encens -> Italian Cypress
    Lavender Extreme -> Caron Pour Un Homme
    Tobacco Vanille -> Fumerie Turque

    It just goes on and on. It's not as blatant as Roja Dove, also less quality, about half as much for two-thirds the price; more of a linear front-loaded style, that's optimised at attracting the interest of casual buyers and fanboy enthusiasts.

    I mean, it does have some real standouts like Tuscan Leather and even Tobacco Vanille (if one likes those sweet tobacco fragrances). But the issue is that the line came out in 2007 and since then has slowly gone downhill.

    Edit: Designers just want to copy Sauvage which wanted to copy Bleu de Chanel but has found its own place.
    Following the initial wave of releases that built the brand's reputation, it's become clear that Tom Ford is both running low on ideas and isn't sufficiently finessing the releases before bringing them to market.

    Regardless of your feelings about Tuscan Leather or Tobacco Vanille--I find both of them tough to wear--there was a reason they sent shockwaves through the market and inspired countless imitators. They were distinct, if nothing else, examples of scent-as-spectacle.

    So many of the newer releases just feel undercooked, as if TF is releasing rough drafts just to get the new products in rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack103 View Post
    I know this is a troll reply, but it's got me thinking: Is it possible, since he was the creative director for Rive Gauche, that Ford still has some sort of rights to this. and he's trying to totally monopolize on the traditional aromatic fougere by somehow forcing YSL to cease production? It would certainly make sense, seeing how he's put out quite a few recently meanwhile they are nowhere to be seen in the designer sector. It also ties in with what ZC was saying about how the designer sector is seemingly forcing brazenly chemical smelling fragrances on us while anything more "nautral" or "traditional" smelling is relegated to luxury/niche lines.

    Or do you think that scents like this simply don't sell? I think with proper marketing they definitely could, in fact in my area there have been a resurgence of the "early 20th century" style barbershops popping up, with guys with moustaches and striped aprons/white shirts staffing them, and they're very successful. Just some food for thought...
    The whole creative/artistic director issue with fragrances is fascinating and not a little bitchy.

    I am pretty sure that Hedi Slimane was behind the notes, packaging and design of Dior Homme (the fragrance) but he seems to have been wiped from the records after being kicked out.

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    The only barbershop that for me rivals RG is vintage Brooks Brothers 1818 -- unmistakably barbershop but an arguably smoother, deeper treatment. Both the rum-boozy opening and the drydown are great. Unfortunately, the aftermarket prices for that are even worse than RG, which is a bit hard to believe. Is the Brooks Brothers clientele of old, the grey flannel suit set, really going to chase the vintage juice? On ebay? Perhaps. I actually did pick up signals that folks who likely used nothing but 1818 for ages, hardly perfumistas, griped loudly and in numbers when it was reformulated.

    Having Rive Gauche gone forever is a very long time, especially the bit towards the end.

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    The truth is that "proper" fougeres (and I don't consider the TF releases in this category true, traditional fougeres; the TF "slickness" makes them something different) have been seen as antiquated for a while now. They're increasingly only desirable to a small segment of the public.

    Maybe the tide will turn at some point, but I don't think the future looks bright for the mossheads who love their classic masculines. Houses that pride themselves on offering "classic" scent styles (mainly the barbershop-y houses like Floris) will continue to produce them, and independents like Rogue Perfumery will be around to explore vintage fragrance DNA, but I think the big designer houses will inevitably move on to new things.

    I don't think only fougeres are in danger, either. We can't take many of the still-available classic scents from big designer houses for granted. Eau Sauvage is living on borrowed time (in all of its forms).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack103 View Post
    in fact in my area there have been a resurgence of the "early 20th century" style barbershops popping up, with guys with moustaches and striped aprons/white shirts staffing them, and they're very successful.
    Is your area by any chance Brooklyn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Is your area by any chance Brooklyn?
    No, but close. I live in Long Island near Queens. I’ve been to Brooklyn though and there are even more of them over there!

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    Guess it's time for some Fine Accoutrements American Blend EDT..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum View Post
    Couldn't have said this better myself.

    Are we sure they are discontinuing and this is not just a 'we're going to be out of stock for a while' sort of excuse?
    It is possible somebody at YSL customer service was misinformed about the stock outage and assumed discontinuation, but it won't stop tin can from being Creed MSRP or worse by year's end, and with total oakmoss ban in EU looming in 2021, unless they make the stuff just for sale outside the EU, prospects aren't good.
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    Got about 3 cans in the stash!
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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    FWIW I've tried all the TF nu-geres; Beau de Jour is the best of the lot to me, but they aren't on the same level of complexity and abstraction (even though they could be heavier, higher concentration etc.). The re-released Fougere Royale is okay, nothing great, and also quite different - more green. I'd want to try the latest Invasion Barbare to see if it is any better than what it was. To anyone who's not only tried but actually gone through bottles of earlier stuff from Yves Saint Laurent would know that these were on a different level. I got hooked on to those more so than anything else, including Dior, Chanel, Guerlain or Hermes.
    Give Fougère Nobile by Nobile 1942 a shot and let me know what you think of it.

    RIP Rive Gauche

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    Guys.

    It is available in France, on the French website.

    It is available in UK, on the UK website.

    Is available in Canada(!), on the Canadian website.
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    This can't be good news. Might wear tomorrow as a tribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribosradagast View Post
    Give Fougère Nobile by Nobile 1942 a shot and let me know what you think of it.

    RIP Rive Gauche
    Will do, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    Guys.

    It is available in France, on the French website.

    It is available in UK, on the UK website.

    Is available in Canada(!), on the Canadian website.
    Another US-only "discontinuation" then?
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