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    Default Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Or just restricted?

    Anyone know what exactly is the IFRA regulation of natural Oud in western perfumes?
    The French have a phrase for it. The bastards have a phrase for everything.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by the blood on 530 27 View Post
    Or just restricted?

    Anyone know what exactly is the IFRA regulation of natural Oud in western perfumes?
    As far as Iím aware, it isnít banned or restricted at all.


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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Donít give them any ideas.
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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by SydnorIII View Post
    As far as I’m aware, it isn’t banned or restricted at all.
    That is my assumption as well, as Fragrance Du Bois has been using natural oud in their fragrances that they cultivate on their own privately owned oud tree plantations.
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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Some years ago I think the threat was more that Agarwood trees were getting depleted from overproduction of oud and suboptimal harvesting methods. So it was somewhat analogous to the Mysore problem, but likely not as acute. My impression is that the risk has abated due to planned plantation processes.

    I am fascinated by "invisible" industries like plantation oud production (see, https://www.asiaplantationcapital.com/ ) and other main suppliers of natural materials to the perfume industry. The chemical fragrance companies are visible enough, but who ever gets a good sense of all the other aspects of the supply chain?

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    As others have said.

    Western perfumes do not, with a few exception, contain natural oud not because of IFRA but because of cost and scarcity.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by cacio View Post
    As others have said.

    Western perfumes do not, with a few exception, contain natural oud not because of IFRA but because of cost and scarcity.
    I’m totally intrigued!!! Can you give a few examples, which Western perfumes have natural Oud???
    The French have a phrase for it. The bastards have a phrase for everything.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by the blood on 530 27 View Post
    Iím totally intrigued!!! Can you give a few examples, which Western perfumes have natural Oud???
    Lush use it in Cardamom Coffee and Goddess, from a CITES-certified company in Thailand.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by the blood on 530 27 View Post
    I’m totally intrigued!!! Can you give a few examples, which Western perfumes have natural Oud???
    Fragrance Du Bois fragrances - https://www.fragrancedubois.com/sustainable-oud
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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by the blood on 530 27 View Post
    I’m totally intrigued!!! Can you give a few examples, which Western perfumes have natural Oud???
    Tauer's L'Oudh
    Rania J's creations as well

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    I was told by a SA that Frederic Malle The Night had natural oud hence its price.

    Let us not forget that the fragrance houses are there to make money so if they can get an ingredient much cheaper they, of course, will use that.
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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    I’ve heard Elie Saab Oud has Laotian oud in it. Not sure if it’s true, but Francis Kurkdjian was the nose behind it, and supposedly it’s the same oud he uses in his own line. I would be somewhat surprised if it was true though since the Saab one is 1/6 the price of MFK oud offerings. Or perhaps it’s its just a teensy bit boosted by synthetics.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by the blood on 530 27 View Post
    I’m totally intrigued!!! Can you give a few examples, which Western perfumes have natural Oud???
    Tauer L'Oudh +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangkok Hound View Post
    L'Oudh
    +2 - this one to me smells like natural oud diluted down with alcohol and not a whole lot else.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    There is oud and there is oud !

    From as little as $20 a kilogram. The finest oud was distilled from wood that today has a starting price of $50,000 per kilogram.

    And then there is synthetics

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    It's not just a question whether natural oud is used, but also about what concentration we are talking about. I bet most houses that claim that they use natural oud are either being 'creative' or using the lowest possible concentration (<0.01% or whatnot) due to the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkonick View Post
    I’ve heard Elie Saab Oud has Laotian oud in it. Not sure if it’s true, but Francis Kurkdjian was the nose behind it, and supposedly it’s the same oud he uses in his own line. I would be somewhat surprised if it was true though since the Saab one is 1/6 the price of MFK oud offerings. Or perhaps it’s its just a teensy bit boosted by synthetics.
    MFK does not have any real oud. Also, MFK's, I guess you chould say shtick, is to pretend the fragrances are made up of these rare, unique, exotic, and just plain superior essences; it is all just marketing. He does it with Elie Saab, he does it with his own line. Look at the new rose fragrance, Elie Saab's Neroli, and his Oud; they all have in common that it is a special ingredient from somewhere special. The reality is that while he may not be lying, he is most certainly exaggerating; the fragrances are mainly composed of synthetics not that there is anything wrong with that, but do not go looking at these designers expecting rarity.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    I've seen Aquilaria Crassna labelled on the ingredients/allergens list on the back of a few perfumes and on sites. I don't know why it's on the list, maybe for authenticity or there is a restriction in the works.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Quote Originally Posted by CutSmut View Post
    MFK does not have any real oud. Also, MFK's, I guess you chould say shtick, is to pretend the fragrances are made up of these rare, unique, exotic, and just plain superior essences; it is all just marketing. He does it with Elie Saab, he does it with his own line. Look at the new rose fragrance, Elie Saab's Neroli, and his Oud; they all have in common that it is a special ingredient from somewhere special. The reality is that while he may not be lying, he is most certainly exaggerating; the fragrances are mainly composed of synthetics not that there is anything wrong with that, but do not go looking at these designers expecting rarity.
    That makes sense, basically what I suspected. Lots of marketing BS to parse through, but if the fragrance is good, that's what's important. I will definitely go for the Elie Saab line at first; at least those are available for around $50 on discounters.

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    Default Re: Has IFRA banned using natural Oud in perfume?

    Wonderoud has ethically harvested plantation oud. I suspect that wild ouds are too expensive and too variable in their aroma to be used in mass produced perfumes. Farmed oud eliminates these issues, but it is nowhere near as complex or deep as prized wild ouds.
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