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    Default Working on creating a new perfume, thoughts on these notes?

    I'm working with a private label agency called privť label to create a new fragrance and wanted to start with a mass-appealing scent for men. I have come up with these notes:

    Top notes: bergamot, orris and ambergris

    Middle notes: black pepper, aldehydes & apple

    Bottom: Patchouli & Amberwood

    I used Sauvage, Chanel Bleu, and Office by Alberto Morillas as an starting point for inspiration

    The company I'm working with agreed to making them in low quantity accordingly with my budget so it's something I'd like to test out. The target demographic would be 25-35 year old working professionals with a price range of under $60 and 20% concentration. Below designer price and has some qualities/projection of a niche fragrance, does this sound too good to be true?

    What notes would you add or change to this and why?
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    Default Re: Working on creating a new perfume, thoughts on these notes?

    Hats off to you for venturing to where few dare to tread. I’m not sure if you can specify exactly where these notes are supposed to fall in the fragrance evolution as these are chemicals governed by the laws of physics/ relative volatility. A less volatile material such as ‘orris’ tends to sit in the mid-phase while aldehydes tend to burn off fairly quickly at the top. You could tweak the proportions but you may not get what you’re looking for.

    Good luck and keep us posted! I’m sure someone else with more experience will chime in with some other insights.
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    Ambrox is not a top note, so ambergris is not a topnote. I do not like apple as a note, and I think pepper and apple combined are no good. 20% concentration does not matter as much when it comes to long lasting and silage; what matters more is the actual formula for the fragrance. Think about why you can put 100% concentration of lemon on but it will not last; you could put 0.1% concentration of deer musk and it would be strong. Obviously with ambrox you will have a longer lasting fragrance.

    Now here is my issue, projection being strong =/= niche. In my eyes, a brand only selling perfume makes it a niche brand, not necessarily that they sell niche perfume. Niche to me means simply non-mainstream. Chanel Anteaus is niche in my eye; yes it may have been designer when made, but today 30 years later it is niche. Yes, people will call me foolish for saying *Chanel* is niche, but what else in the world smells like Anteaus these days? You on the other hand are creating the very nature of mainstream. What quality could you be adding if the most popular fragrance of our decade is your inspiration?

    I know it is probably not in your best interest to say what company you are working for, but why not meet with them about releasing something more inspired? It does not sound like you have a huge budget, which is a good thing; use that small budget and the constraints it puts upon you to really get to play around with a few ingredients. I just do not think doing something that is already done by so many before you who are more experienced is going to lead to much.

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    I'd just go with the notes you already have planned. Good luck with your endeavor.
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    Go with what you feel.
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    Default Working on creating a new perfume, thoughts on these notes?

    Reading those notes and in that order, it doesnít light my fire. But then again, those notes tell me a genre and not a complete product. I need to smell the end result. But Iím a consumer/collector. Iíd recommend posting this in the DIY section and let one of our resident experts comment on the subject. Not to toot specific horns, but we have members like PKiler who are tried and true and awarded AND graciously contribute to the forum. Others as well. No disrespect to them. Point is, our DIY section has qualified individuals who could give good pointers. Or even better, would possibly be willing to work with you to reach your goal. As others, I wish you the best of luck. Iíve dabbled in DIY and thought of doing a little something. Itís intimidating to say the least. I hope you come up with the next greatest hit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    Hats off to you for venturing to where few dare to tread. Iím not sure if you can specify exactly where these notes are supposed to fall in the fragrance evolution as these are chemicals governed by the laws of physics/ relative volatility. A less volatile material such as Ďorrisí tends to sit in the mid-phase while aldehydes tend to burn off fairly quickly at the top. You could tweak the proportions but you may not get what youíre looking for.

    Good luck and keep us posted! Iím sure someone else with more experience will chime in with some other insights.
    Thanks for the additional information. Based on the sample we receive, it will be tweaked to our liking.

    Quote Originally Posted by CutSmut View Post
    Ambrox is not a top note, so ambergris is not a topnote. I do not like apple as a note, and I think pepper and apple combined are no good. 20% concentration does not matter as much when it comes to long lasting and silage; what matters more is the actual formula for the fragrance. Think about why you can put 100% concentration of lemon on but it will not last; you could put 0.1% concentration of deer musk and it would be strong. Obviously with ambrox you will have a longer lasting fragrance.

    Now here is my issue, projection being strong =/= niche. In my eyes, a brand only selling perfume makes it a niche brand, not necessarily that they sell niche perfume. Niche to me means simply non-mainstream. Chanel Anteaus is niche in my eye; yes it may have been designer when made, but today 30 years later it is niche. Yes, people will call me foolish for saying *Chanel* is niche, but what else in the world smells like Anteaus these days? You on the other hand are creating the very nature of mainstream. What quality could you be adding if the most popular fragrance of our decade is your inspiration?

    I know it is probably not in your best interest to say what company you are working for, but why not meet with them about releasing something more inspired? It does not sound like you have a huge budget, which is a good thing; use that small budget and the constraints it puts upon you to really get to play around with a few ingredients. I just do not think doing something that is already done by so many before you who are more experienced is going to lead to much.
    I understand your point on niches and agree with it. Thanks for your feedback

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    I'd just go with the notes you already have planned. Good luck with your endeavor.

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    Go with what you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diddy View Post
    Reading those notes and in that order, it doesnít light my fire. But then again, those notes tell me a genre and not a complete product. I need to smell the end result. But Iím a consumer/collector. Iíd recommend posting this in the DIY section and let one of our resident experts comment on the subject. Not to toot specific horns, but we have members like PKiler who are tried and true and awarded AND graciously contribute to the forum. Others as well. No disrespect to them. Point is, our DIY section has qualified individuals who could give good pointers. Or even better, would possibly be willing to work with you to reach your goal. As others, I wish you the best of luck. Iíve dabbled in DIY and thought of doing a little something. Itís intimidating to say the least. I hope you come up with the next greatest hit!
    Thank you so much, since I'm not making the perfume myself, I was able to give the perfumer some notes on what I was looking for. I didn't want to get too technical either, but wanted some feedback on the notes and what we can change around. Until I get my sample of the notes, it's hard to know what direction it's headed but let's see!




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