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    Default If you could 'swap' houses...

    Bit of a flippant idea I had but wonder if there's anything to it.

    The majority of perfumes I own are by Tom Ford and Acqua di Parma at the moment, for various reasons of appeal. In some ways the two houses are similar, but the best of Acqua di Parma's Blu Med stuff absolutely knocks TF's Neroli Portofino and 'Blue' line out of the water (pun intended, sorry) in my honest opinion. Their citrus scents are fantastic, and yet, still, there's something to be said for the Tom Fords.

    When it comes to orientals, TF really shines - although the weaker ones are still somewhat limited by the TF DNA in my opinion; or - and here's the crucial bit - they fail to really live up to what I hope for when reading the notes and concept behind the scent.

    It got me thinking - Acqua di Parma absolutely nails the kind of mainstream-ish, appealing, citrus and/or fresh summer scents that TF aims for. If Acqua di Parma were to take on some of TF's oriental line - and, specifically, the notes and accords and concepts they try to create - I think I would prefer them over the TF. I know Acqua di Parma already has an oriental/brown Ingredient line, which is still very much AdP's style with the citrus top notes in each, but if someone from Tom Ford presented their concept to an Acqua di Parma perfumer, intended notes and all, I would absolutely love to see what they came up with.

    Not sure if I've conveyed that well or just rambled, but the key part here is - is there a house whose approach, style, and/or ideas you absolutely love, but you'd prefer another house to actually use their accumen, DNA, and style to turn it in to a perfume? What are they, and why etc.?

    For me, it's obviously a swap of TF's ideas with AdP's 'skills', but interested if anyone else would swap elements of one house with another?

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    I'd like Nicolai Parfumeur to take over Serge Lutens material

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    Quote Originally Posted by slpfrsly View Post
    is there a house whose approach, style, and/or ideas you absolutely love, but you'd prefer another house to actually use their accumen, DNA, and style
    I would wish that Montale, a house I personally love could take a lesson from and learn from Fragrance Du Bois, another house I personally love about how to craft an oud prominent fragrance which is IMO so effortlessly, evenly, and so smoothly blended with other accords to produce a wonderful scent.
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    Atelier Cologne's freshness with Creed's DNA, so it can last a bit longer.
    Comme Des Garcons' creativity with Madison Francis Kurkdjian's strong longevity of their Oud series.
    Hermessence line takes over and revives Kenzo men's line. Perhaps a Hermes and Diptyque collaboration would be nice.

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    That certain discontinued scents did love but are now difficult to find (Davidoff Relax, Spazio Krizia, Joint by Roccobarocco, Ungaro II, Gucci Nobile etc.) would be taken over by any house (or their parent company), from an affordable one focused on old school notes and still good quality for its price like Bogart to any less or not IRFA compliant niche/alternative brand

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    I would wish that Montale, a house I personally love could take a lesson from and learn from Fragrance Du Bois, another house I personally love about how to craft an oud prominent fragrance which is IMO so effortlessly, evenly, and so smoothly blended with other accords to produce a wonderful scent.
    +1 to this esp. Fragrance Du Bois with Montale price tags. LOL.
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    There isn't an Acqua di Parma fragrance that I didn't wish had been put together by Santa Maria Novella instead.
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    Would like TF to have Creeds creativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Would like TF to have Creeds creativity.
    Care to be more specific?

    TF is a relatively young house, and while I think Creed finesses its releases better than TF, looking over their comparative runs since the TF brand was formed I don't know that, between the two of them, that I'd give Creed the "creativity" award.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    Care to be more specific?

    TF is a relatively young house, and while I think Creed finesses its releases better than TF, looking over their comparative runs since the TF brand was formed I don't know that, between the two of them, that I'd give Creed the "creativity" award.
    Just seems as of lately, TF is just cranking out the PB line. In the last year or so they came out with sub par fragrances that are overpriced. The only exception is Ombre Leather 18. And even that was done before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Just seems as of lately, TF is just cranking out the PB line. In the last year or so they came out with sub par fragrances that are overpriced. The only exception is Ombre Leather 18. And even that was done before.
    I don't disagree with this characterization even if I like one or two of the recent PBs, but Creed hasn't been particularly active over the past few years, either, and it's not as though Viking or the Aventus flankers have sent shocks through the fragrance world.

    If we compare the TF releases from 2015 on alongside Creed releases from 2015 on, I don't think Creed is the clear winner. But that's just me.
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    Creativity doesn't have much to do with output, but if you are speaking primarily in regards to creative output in the last 4 to 5 years, you HAVE to give it to TF. Creed has barely even moved a muscle.
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    The main issue with TF is the prices. If their cost were reasonable, half of the snark and criticism of the house goes away. They do pump out a lot of fragrances- the output seems split between the TF formula of repackaged/resurrected designer classics (M7, Z-14, Rive Gouche, CPUH, Habit Rouge, etc.) and the more experimental/borderline niche stuff (Vert d'Encens, Oud Minerale, Oud Wood Intense, Ombre Leather, etc.).

    They aren't all duds.. and I very much disagree with the oft-repeated criticism that the house has only been putting out "trash" for the last five years. If you actually check out the scents without griping about the prices I would say TF is just as creative now as when people were hailing them back in '07. The issue however, comes back to there being so many more houses now doing great/similar work... and of course, those damn prices. Lost Cherry is a decent comfort scent but when you can buy 50ml of LC or 50ml of a Bogue for $245... c'mon!

    So in short, I would have TF swap pricing structure with any house charging top-end $150 per 50ml.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oud Dude View Post
    The main issue with TF is the prices.
    Sure, but we were comparing to Creed, which isn't exactly blameless in that arena!
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    Default Re: If you could 'swap' houses...

    When buying from a discounter, TF frags are mostly around $100 unless going for private blend or discontinued, so I don't consider them too crazy. Especially compare to Creed, which again, can get from discounters for around $180 or so.
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    I'd love to see a version of Dunhill Icon made with higher-grade materials (maybe from a house like Floris).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    I'd love to see a version of Dunhill Icon made with higher-grade materials (maybe from a house like Floris).
    Never had it but makes me curious because there's always a bottle of this every single time I hit up the discount stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    Never had it but makes me curious because there's always a bottle of this every single time I hit up the discount stores.
    It's really good! A distinctive and clever update of the classic neroli-fueled eau de cologne that adds some pine-y juniper to the heart and synthoud to the base. It's an all-around-er, but it wears best in colder weather because then the juniper really comes out.

    A "niche"-y take on the concept would be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    It's really good! A distinctive and clever update of the classic neroli-fueled eau de cologne that adds some pine-y juniper to the heart and synthoud to the base. It's an all-around-er, but it wears best in colder weather because then the juniper really comes out.

    A "niche"-y take on the concept would be interesting.
    Sounds interesting. May end up grabbing some on one of my next TJ Maxx visits.
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    I wasn't trying to claim a winner my friend. If TF comes out with 10 fragrances and 80% flop compared to Creed coming out with 2 or 3, and after a year or so there is no more talk of those 10 fragrances compared to the Creeds, the results are obvious. This is coming from a fan of both houses. It's just recently, with all the fragrances that TF has come out with, there's not much that caught my attention. Nothing against TF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Just seems as of lately, TF is just cranking out the PB line. In the last year or so they came out with sub par fragrances that are overpriced. The only exception is Ombre Leather 18. And even that was done before.
    That's been going on for a long time now. Remember when the PB line consisted of only 12 fragrances? I think there's now 3x times as many now and only getting bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    I wasn't trying to claim a winner my friend. If TF comes out with 10 fragrances and 80% flop compared to Creed coming out with 2 or 3, and after a year or so there is no more talk of those 10 fragrances compared to the Creeds, the results are obvious. This is coming from a fan of both houses. It's just recently, with all the fragrances that TF has come out with, there's not much that caught my attention. Nothing against TF.
    Creed also has had it's share of disappointments as well in recent years both in new releases as well as in recent formulations.

    I think the days for both Creed and Tom Ford have passed. That could be said for many other iconic brands as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    Would like TF to have Creeds creativity.
    Creed’s ‘creativity’? That’s...interesting. Not exactly a word I’d use to describe a house that apart from its controversially fake heritage-based marketing seems loathed to push the envelope.
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    I really enjoy the Tom Ford and the Mugler patchouli DNAs. I do find them to be different from one another, however.

    Mugler is more delicious/gourmand and smooth (for lack of a better word) smelling to my nose, while TF is more earthy (kinda dirty) and more complex smelling to my nose.

    I enjoy both of them quite a lot and wouldn't mind if other houses used those patch styles. Especially the TF style, as I don't seem to smell that earthy type of patch as often elsewhere.

    On a related note, I think V&R Flowerbomb smells like it could be a flanker of Angel. I catch that DNA in there from my GF's bottle. Perhaps that's just me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    Creed’s ‘creativity’? That’s...interesting. Not exactly a word I’d use to describe a house that apart from its controversially fake heritage-based marketing seems loathed to push the envelope.
    You got to admit folks still love the stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    You got to admit folks still love the stuff.
    In my experience, generally the least creative items are the things that people love the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    In my experience, generally the least creative items are the things that people love the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    You got to admit folks still love the stuff.
    And I’m one of them, LOL. Ultimately that’s the only thing that matters. There’s beauty in simplicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    And I’m one of them, LOL. Ultimately that’s the only thing that matters. There’s beauty in simplicity.
    No doubt!
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    This is a somewhat idiotic reply on my part but I’d want the actual perfumes of Parfums de Marly in the Tom Ford brown bottles; PDM bottles are too big!
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