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    Default Olfactory Abilities and Psychopathy

    https://link.springer.com/article/10...078-012-9135-7

    Id like to think this explains the low numbers of psychopaths on Basenotes.
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    Default Re: Olfactory Abilities and Psychopathy

    Quote Originally Posted by Darjeeling View Post
    https://link.springer.com/article/10...078-012-9135-7

    Id like to think this explains the low numbers of psychopaths on Basenotes.
    Interesting. But, how do you know that there are a low number of psychopaths here?

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    Yes, I've heard of this before too, and I actually sort of mentioned it in one other thread topic that discussed a man's head injury that made him lose his sense of smell.
    They say that apparently, they believe that the part of the human brain that is responsible for producing feelings of empathy is right at the front of the skull, located roughly just behind and maybe slightly above the eye area. (Like..right behind a person's forehead, basically.) They also say that pretty much everything that is responsible for controlling our sense of smell is located roughly in the same vicinity. So..it's often believed that our sense of smell and sense of empathy are closely connected. Which..is probably part of the reason why they say our sense of smell is the one sense that is most closely linked with memories as well. Memories often go along with strong feelings of nostalgia as well, which also ties in with empathy.
    So..it does seem that yes, there can be truth in the idea that there is some correlation between psychopathy and having a poor sense of smell. I'm not sure there is always a correlation all the time though, and..as it's been pointed out in at least one other article posted here..sense of smell is subjective too, and does seem to vary from one person to the next. And..I do think different people can describe smells in different ways too.

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    There may or may not be a correlation between olfactory keeness and psychopathy but this study doesn't prove anything. A self-selected group of psychopaths? Really?
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    I want to see a scientific study that says there is a definite correlation between psychopathy and not having a phobia of spiders! XD Where is that study??

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbins View Post
    There may or may not be a correlation between olfactory keeness and psychopathy but this study doesn't prove anything. A self-selected group of psychopaths? Really?
    This is junk science.
    Good point! It says in the article that all they did was get a bunch of people to "self report" on some questionnaire (it doesn't even say what questions were asked or what criteria they were using to judge "psychopathy") and sniff some sticks! XD Like...really?? Many people believe that people notoriously lie on questionnaires where they have to "self report" anything! It's also interesting to me that they say they deliberately selected people with no known criminal background or criminal convictions. I have read that apparently, in reality, there is an actual official test for psychopathic personality, but it's only ever been done on people who have been arrested for certain types of crimes. And..the way it's done is an actual professional psychiatrist (or something like that..can't quite remember) reads out a bunch of questions to the person being tested, and they have to orally respond. So..it's an oral test apparently, not written. And..I think partly why it's done that way is they are also gauging the person's emotional response to certain things. And..I think there's also one where they lock the subject in a room and they have to listen to frightening sounds (like people screaming in agony or fear or something similar to that) coming from somewhere else not in the room, and they have to sit there listening to it for some extended period of time, and, again, they basically monitor the person and gauge whether or not they have a "normal" reaction or what is called a "psychotic reaction"..meaning they seem mostly unaffected and calm. So..yeah..there are actual official tests for this, but none of them involve just filling out some little questionnaire (which, I agree with you, seems super iffy!) However, I have to tell you, the fact that these tests are almost never done on the general population, and only on certain criminals, and only sometimes kind of leads me to sort of question how they even presume to think most people would even respond to these tests?? I understand that testing for things like psychopathy is hard and is a super complex thing to identify in a person..but still...I sometimes feel the way they test for some of these things is problematic too, and can still leave margin for error.

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    Interesting but find it suspect.
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    Psychopath is not a medical term which brings doubt on anything that article may say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutSmut View Post
    Psychopath is not a medical term which brings doubt on anything that article may say.
    Actually, psychopathy is defined rather well. Sociopathy is the poorly-defined, not used in psychiatry or psychology term. There is about 45 years of research on psychopathy done by Dr. Robert Hare, who developed the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (now the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, or PCL-R). If they wanted psychopaths for their olfactory research, they should have administered a PCL-R and set a cutoff score of 25 or 30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbins View Post
    Actually, psychopathy is defined rather well. Sociopathy is the poorly-defined, not used in psychiatry or psychology term. There is about 45 years of research on psychopathy done by Dr. Robert Hare, who developed the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (now the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, or PCL-R). If they wanted psychopaths for their olfactory research, they should have administered a PCL-R and set a cutoff score of 25 or 30.
    Probably off-topic, but isn't sociopathy really just a milder shade on the psychopathy spectrum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Prince View Post
    Interesting. But, how do you know that there are a low number of psychopaths here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Probably off-topic, but isn't sociopathy really just a milder shade on the psychopathy spectrum?
    That's what the general public probably thinks, but psychologists and psychiatrists don't use the terms "sociopath" or "sociopathy" at all. A "milder shade" of some of the elements that contribute to psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder as defined in DSM-5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbins View Post
    That's what the general public probably thinks, but psychologists and psychiatrists don't use the terms "sociopath" or "sociopathy" at all. A "milder shade" of some of the elements that contribute to psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder as defined in DSM-5.
    Makes sense. To be honest, the term "sociopath" is probably just a portmanteau of sociological and psychopath somebody outside the psychology field concocted and it stuck, since it basically just describes folks who lack empathy to the degree that they'll work within society's rules to subvert them for personal gain, rather than just cold-blood murder someone like how most folks view a psychopath to be. Funny thing is "antisocial" also works in the same context to describe a person, but I think everyone's conditioned to see "antisocial" as something too soft for predatory behavior, hence the word "sociopath" probably started to appear.
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    Default Re: Olfactory Abilities and Psychopathy

    So how do they explain Hannibal Lecter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbins View Post
    Actually, psychopathy is defined rather well. Sociopathy is the poorly-defined, not used in psychiatry or psychology term. There is about 45 years of research on psychopathy done by Dr. Robert Hare, who developed the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (now the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, or PCL-R). If they wanted psychopaths for their olfactory research, they should have administered a PCL-R and set a cutoff score of 25 or 30.
    That is akin to saying that because Plato has his ideas of Forms well defined that it means Forms are a fact. Specious at best. The DSM-5 does not include psychopathy. I understand you may find this pedant, and in some ways I would agree that just because an idea is not printed in a book of currently acceptable psychology does not mean it is not a reality; however, being that what I stated is psychopath is not a medical term I am factually correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teardrop View Post
    So how do they explain Hannibal Lecter?

    (A character based on a real person, BTW)
    Yeah, see, this is exactly what I'm saying! I don't think that psychopathic personality and a poor sense of smell (or taste lol!) necessarily go together!
    Also, I don't think that psychopathic personality traits are necessarily always (or even usually) caused by that certain area of your brain (right at the front of your skull) not functioning "properly" or having sustained some sort of damage.
    I'm not a doctor or a psychiatrist or anything like that, but I have also heard statistics cited that state that, the majority of the time, when people have psychopathic traits it can often be linked to experiences they had in early childhood. Like, many experts believe that when children aren't picked up and held enough by their parents (especially in early infancy) it is very likely that they can grow up lacking in empathy, because they never established a bond of trust with another human being. Lack of empathy can also come from strong mistrust of people too, right? Unfortunately, they say it's not uncommon for kids to have completely toxic relationships with their parents, too. Probably in cases of psychopathy, you will find particularly extreme cases of neglect and/or abuse though. They say that emotional and verbal abuse can actually be the absolute worst thing too.
    Of course, in a really extreme case like Hannibal Lecter, it seems very likely that he was also just insane. I mean..I can't say much else about that! lol
    But yeah..I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure there are total psychos whose sense of smell is just fine too!
    Also..I'm not sure that science even really knows for sure exactly which part of the brain anything comes from! The brain is a hugely complex thing after all!

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    Also, many people believe that psychopathy may also be caused by kids becoming desensitized to extreme violence (toward people) from playing too many violent video games, and watching violence on TV and in movies. (Experts believe video games are the absolute worst though!) Apparently, in the US military, they say they sometimes use violent video games to deliberately desensitize soldiers to violence, and they say it works! And..in the US alone..think how many people are in their military! Like..I'm not trying to blame anyonme's government or anything but..that can also be a contributor to how many total psychos there are out there, walking around! There can be lots of factors that contribute to things like lack of empathy and remorse toward people, it's a complicated issue!

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    Thanks for the link.
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    Thank you for posting/sharing.

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    This is more of a place likely to be populated by people who probably suffer from some form of autism/Asperger's.

    I mean that in no disparaging way, as one of my kids has a "light" case of Asperger's, but some of the posts I've read here seem to be so far on the spectrum that they should only be visible to bees.
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    still somewhat liking the idea that Basenotes can likely be a safe, respectful and decent group of people.
    This has been my experience so far on Basenotes.

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    I think the OP was slightly kidding, which flew over most peoples' heads, leading me to side with the person who said there are likely lots of aspies here...

    However, I agree that the study should be called "Higher Self-Reported Psychopathy Scores Are Associated with Poorer Odor Discrimination and Identification."

    Any time an experiment uses self-reporting as "data," it's usually questionable.

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    Interestingly, asperger's syndrome has some things in common with psychopathic personality. So does schizophrenia. (Some people say that for years and years lots of people who are somewhere on the autism spectrum used to commonly be diagnosed as schizophrenic. But then..doctors have only known about schizophrenia for a limited amount of time too, so I have no idea what to make of statements like that.)

    The OP was possibly joking, but there is actually an idea that exists that says that empathy comes from around the same area of the brain that is responsible for enabling people to smell too. :/ I've even heard medical professionals say this. I just have no idea how much actual scientific research has been done on the subject.
    And..what people with asperger's syndrome, schizophrenia and psychopathy all have in common is that they can tend to display a "psychotic response" to certain kinds of stimuli. Like..someone can get upset or angry with them and start yelling their face, for example. And..some of them can possibly seem to not notice, or otherwise just seem very calm and unaffected. Or..they seem to not notice different facial expressions..or otherwise just seem to not be bothered by the fact that maybe they're bothering someone. And..I'm posting the stuff that I'm posting because this subject is interesting to me, especially since I've had more than one ex who is clearly a crazy psycho ex boyfriend. Maybe I'm just talking to myself here, quite frankly I don't care! I'm not going to stop posting certain things just because one person says they're not interested in reading my posts. Quite frankly, It's just rude to imply that someone seems like they have asperger's syndrome just because they're having a discussion about something, and you're not interested in what they're saying at all. Saying that out loud can also just mean you're a dick. By the way, I'm not on the asperger's syndrome spectrum anywhere, apparently because I actually understand sarcasm. Maybe the OP just isn't all that funny either? Did you ever think of that? As George Costanza from Seinfeld once said though, "the jerk store called! they're running out of you!"




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