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    Default Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I remember ten years ago it seemed like THE niche house alongside Creed and everyone was trying out Riverside Drive and New Haarlem. I might have to give Riverside Drive another go, actually! Lovely basil and pineapple to my nose.

    I used to scoff at the prices back then, but $200 for 50ml today? That's everyone else now too hah
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    The gouging going on in the niche market as everyone jumps on the "luxury/prestige/haute parfum" bandwagon will come crashing down eventually once the market becomes too crowded in this segment or the economy bombs again. Today's unattainable status brands are tomorrow's discount darlings. Guerlain, Houbigant, D'Orsay, and Caron once were where Creed, Bond, Roja Dove, and Xerjoff now sit. These kind of things wax and wane, generally being untenable longterm. Creed themselves were barely over $1 per ml 15 years ago.

    Some of those brands plummeted to drugstore status before being given a new lease on life (especially Houbigant), while Caron inches along and D'Orsay have been in limbo forever. Only Guerlain has (barely) been able to maintain it's brand cachet, and still has a lot of sub-$50 fragrances flooding the market despite also having $200+ exclusive lines. If a similar thing happens again, you may see stuff by Creed or Bond sold off to a big company and taken downmarket like Houbigant was in the 60's through 80's, or disappear from the market altogether like D'Orsay.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    Quote Originally Posted by morning light View Post
    I remember ten years ago it seemed like THE niche house alongside Creed and everyone was trying out Riverside Drive and New Haarlem. I might have to give Riverside Drive another go, actually! Lovely basil and pineapple to my nose.

    I used to scoff at the prices back then, but $200 for 50ml today? That's everyone else now too hah
    I'd say that about 10 years ago Creed made some really good quality millesime fragrances.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    Z--that's really interesting how you pointed out Guerlain. When I was becoming more interested in perfume, I couldn't tell whether Guerlain was extremely expensive or cheap!

    The reason I was so curious about Bond No.9 is that no one (either here on basenotes or YouTube) seem to talk about Bond No.9, so I check out their website and obviously someone is buying their stuff? Not out of business is my first thought. Some of their fragrances are $300 for 50ml inside a bottle that looks like it came from Walgreens, and I'm just like, who the heck is buying this stuff lmao
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I'm sure many individuals still do which is great. However, I personally never have.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I regularly see Bond No 9 at the discounters now, and marked down at Sephora. What were $300 at retail now being sold for just over $100. I still pass. Hell, you can even find Bond No. 9 at Walmart here.

    The bottom line is that if you're going to sell perfume at inflated prices, it should both look and smell expensive. And for the most part, Bond No 9 does neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarce View Post
    I regularly see Bond No 9 at the discounters now, and marked down at Sephora. What were $300 at retail now being sold for just over $100. I still pass. Hell, you can even find Bond No. 9 at Walmart here.

    The bottom line is that if you're going to sell perfume at inflated prices, it should both look and smell expensive. And for the most part, Bond No 9 does neither.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I work with some ladies who love it. One in particular thinks it’s just incredible and has many bottles of it, all bought at full retail no doubt. These women are late 40’s to 60’s.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I have stopped paying attention long ago. I own a couple. I too did see some at Marshall's last year, but didn't buy.

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    I'm not a New Yorker so the names don't mean anything to me. When I was watching a lot youtube reviews a few years ago, there were a few Bonds with a big buzz around them and I finally got to smell them last year (and then some)... and didn't like a single one of them.

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    I forget the others, but didn't get to check out Andy Warhol.

    Short answer, No, because they have too many and they don't stand out.
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    For me, Bond No. 9 is a perfect example of overpriced niche that is almost entirely pretense and cynical cash-grabbing. I agree their bottles are very tacky (which could easily shift to campily fun if the prices were much lower and the whole brand had a different attitude), and most of the compositions are sloppy, underworked, or dull while nevertheless being amped up in concentration so you’re guaranteed a long visit with the tedious guest. It’s sort of a perfect study of Veblen objects, a set of merchandise that’s puffed up by branding and presentation and the promise of signifying the buyer is someone would COULD buy such a thing, and thus DID, and thus somehow worthy of esteem or something. Cool. Life is too short.

    I do think a few of the line smell okay, just not with all the rest of the hullabaloo around it and especially at full price. I DID get myself a bottle of New Haarlem, though, because when I’m in the mood for what it does, it really hits the spot.

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    I wouldn’t know where to start, they have so many releases and than discontinued ones too just a crazy amount to sort through.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    Didn't Luca Turin give Chinatown a 5-star rating in the first Guide? I remember everybody was chattering about that one when I first started reading Basenotes 8 or 9 years ago. Now I never hear anyone talk about Bond, except for maybe New Haarlem.

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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I never did come across Chinatown to actually smell it but I am still after it.
    No one in Vancouver sells it, other than Winners.

    I liked New Haarlem but I'm not a gourmand fan to warrant purchasing a bottle.

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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I think their bottles help catch civilian (non-BNer) eyes, and that's the first step toward a sale.

    I own two, New Haarlem and Mothers Day, both of which are pretty sweet. I visited their table at Saks 5 months ago and, unless people here start shouting about something new, I don't care if I don't cross paths with the line again.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I never did. It seemed in many cases that their offerings were derivative (two such examples: New Haarlem < Rochas Man, Nuits de Noho < Angel). And I felt they were overpriced for what they were.

    That said, Silver Factory was a good one.
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    A few months ago a client of ours decided to give out every lady in our office a bottle of Perfumista Avenue as a sign of appreciation. Apparently many coworkers were unimpressed and tried to sell their bottles on ebay for somewhere between $50 and $70 for a 50 ml bottle. I recall asking them last month if they had any success and they told me that there were no bids whatsoever.

    I see marked down boxes at discounters all the time.
    I remember trying NY Oud a while ago and it reminded me of heavily scented hairspray like Aqua Net, not the scent itself but the bombastic take-no-prisoners attitude.

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    I never did and I still don’t. I’m not at all surprised at the absence of online ‘chatter’. The controversy it used to court previously had died down. Perhaps nobody cares anymore. Bond No.9 built its niche brand narrative around New York city. With its kitschy packaging it could do well as a souvenir for tourists to NYC or the US in general. But its eye-gouging sticker price isn’t exactly tourist-friendly. While I like a few of their older releases (Silver Factory, Chinatown, Wall Street), the abrasively chemical signature on many of their fragrances put me off.
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    Absolutely, some people still care about them. Even though I lose zero sleep over them, they do have some fragrances which I find enjoyable. And at a discount, they’re more in line with where I feel they should be priced. Just because I don’t care about them, I also don’t realize that I don’t represent the whole of fragrance purchasers. They must still sell, as Saks still carries them. But at the Saks prices, I won’t be one of the spenders.
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    Going back when they first released there was a big buzz, I sampled a few and thought nice but would not buy. I do see them turn up now in TKMaxx.

    Not sure if people remember this but it was all over the forums back when it happened Perfume Of Life is where I came across it.

    So, Bond No 9 turned up in the Creed NYC boutique! I remember people saying Oh Creed has a new line out, with others going What?

    So it turned out the manager of the Creed boutique was leaving to manage Bond No9 a very new house and decided to bring some to the Creed Boutique and put them out on display!!!! People, of course, seeing the bottles there immediately thought it was a new Creed line.

    No idea what happened with the court case but Creed did take the manager and I believe Bond No9 to court over the whole thing. Straight after that many looked at Bond No 9 with suspicion. It could have all be settled out of court no idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diddy View Post
    Absolutely, some people still care about them. Even though I lose zero sleep over them, they do have some fragrances which I find enjoyable. And at a discount, they’re more in line with where I feel they should be priced. Just because I don’t care about them, I also don’t realize that I don’t represent the whole of fragrance purchasers. They must still sell, as Saks still carries them. But at the Saks prices, I won’t be one of the spenders.
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    Absolutely, I own several of them!
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I did enjoy Chinatown and Silver Factory when they were first launched, but have completely lost the little interest I had in them years ago. Overpriced and unappealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarry View Post
    I think their bottles help catch civilian (non-BNer) eyes, and that's the first step toward a sale.
    +1, I concur!

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    I'll say that in recent years I've seen first hand some SAs trying to attempt to lure potential customers to purchasing Bond No 9 bottles over other brands present in the store. If that's any indication that they're desperate to selling Bond bottles.
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    Way back, when Bond No 9 threatened to sue an indy perfumer for daring to use the word "Peace" in a perfume name, any interest on my part was turned off. No way would I support a company that did that.
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    Yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveoaksBouquet View Post
    Way back, when Bond No 9 threatened to sue an indy perfumer for daring to use the word "Peace" in a perfume name, any interest on my part was turned off. No way would I support a company that did that.
    Yes! This was just about the time I was going to start sampling them. Honestly I liked the art and colors on the bottle of Bleecker Street. After this incident I’ve never touched or sampled any of their scents.

    I also remember when launching, the owner who was at the Creed boutique or sold Creed at her boutique (idk exactly), in New York, took over the space and all Creed was cleared out at 50% off. Especially their earlier releases are mostly copies of other successful brands, including Creed.

    It wasn’t only this reason. After that, they announced on social media and threatened to sue everyone who sold their samples on eBay, TPC, and other decanters. This kind of aggressive and unreasonable behavior turns me off. I’m glad Nordstrom dropped them.
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    Default Re: Do people still care about Bond No.9?

    I've always wanted to try them. But the last time I was at Saks, I ran out of time after chatting with the SA about Creed, Tom Ford, and Kilian. I was going to inquire about Bond, but I'd already been there well over an hour, I didn't want to take up more of his time, and I was close to running late for my errands.
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