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  • I always lie and say its something other than fragrance

    34 65.38%
  • I sometimes lie and say its something other than fragrance

    3 5.77%
  • I never lie about shipping fragrance, I just ship ground.

    15 28.85%
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    I think the whole thing is BS and hypocritical. I can pack my checked suitcase on a flight full of perfumes, no problem. I can pack a ziploc bag filled with perfume in my carry-on. I receive packages all the time from internet retailers, not marked ORM-D, no absorbent packaging, etc., no problem. No coherence to these policies.

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    I’m compliant with regulations. It’s not too big a deal for me because I rarely ship perfume, except for my recent giveaways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cazaubon View Post
    I think the whole thing is BS and hypocritical. I can pack my checked suitcase on a flight full of perfumes, no problem. I can pack a ziploc bag filled with perfume in my carry-on. I receive packages all the time from internet retailers, not marked ORM-D, no absorbent packaging, etc., no problem. No coherence to these policies.
    I think you're right. The solution is not keeping hazmat off planes - it's proper ID and segregation by reactivity type, plus crew accessibility for emergency fire suppression or disposal in some cases.

    The theory in passenger baggage with perfume and liquor is that these are weak accelerants, and there are no chemical igniters (lithium batteries and oxidizers) present in the passenger baggage, so it's OK. Basically, some weak hazmat forms could be allowed as segregated air baggage inside some kind of postal luggage, and this then riding in cabin or luggage, depending on the same reasoning as passenger goods.
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    Usually ship ground.
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    According to Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Part 73, Subpart D (CFR 173.150(g)(2)), cosmetics sold as retail products containing more than 70% ethyl alcohol by volume are excepted from the hazardous materials regulations provided the volume of the "inner packagings containing liquids" does not exceed 230 ml.

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    ^^ hmmm, thats interesting so shipping <230ml is legal?? Maksidrom, need you to weigh in here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    ^^ hmmm, thats interesting so shipping <230ml is legal?? Maksidrom, need you to weigh in here
    I think this would work to legally ship cosmetic liquids with more than 70% ethanol by air. I think that's what it says. It depends on how you define things. What's after shave? Eau de Toilette?

    Now Eau de Parfum could be a different story. And perfume, forget about it. If it says perfume on it, you probably have to agree it's perfume. There are a bunch more regs than this.

    http://blog.thecompliancecenter.com/...-under-49-cfr/

    From that, it sounds like the exception for shipping ground may only be intended for bottles up to 30 ml?! Then you're definitely better off calling a 100-ml edt a retail cosmetic product, and going air, or ground, whatever - assuming you're under 230 ml. For "perfume," those are usually 30-ml or less. EDP's are a total minefield.

    It's really a negotiation with your local post office, but you can go in with your best foot forward. Once you have a system - the right form, etc. - you could ship legally, no problem.

    However USPS does it, they will ship perfume. I'm not at all convinced they always ship ground when I tell them it's perfume. The followup questions I've had are completely different person to person, but it has always been accepted and shipped. If ground gets it there within a week, I wouldn't know the difference. A lot of shipments are to neighboring states, and those are all ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    ^^ hmmm, thats interesting so shipping <230ml is legal?? Maksidrom, need you to weigh in here
    Oh, I'm sure it is, for limited quantities. Heck, 5 L or even 50 L could be legal, if you can find the right airline and aircraft. Fedex, UPS or DHL would probably take it. But the problem is USPS or Royal Mail won't, not for air transport, it's their own rule. You can try to make the case to your local office, like Redneck Perfumisto did, and maybe they will accept it and maybe they won't, it's their right. As a matter of fact, every carrier has the right to refuse hazmat for whatever reason, even when it's perfectly legal and packed and marked in full compliance with hazmat regulations. There's a provision that any flight operator or pilot can refuse to accept this particular item for air transport, they can just simply say "I'm not comfortable with that thing, it looks iffy to me, it's a liability" and that will be it. And that's what USPS or Royal Mail do - sorry, but we don't want this on our airplanes, just too much to absorb and I have a headache tonight. They are totally within their rights. But it's also your right to go and argue with them and try to prove a point, who knows how that will work out.

    We've completely veered off topic. The question was - is it ok to lie (falsify information) on a form used by a government run agency (postal service/customs) when shipping via your regular everyday postal mail service and the only answer I can give is and emphatic: no, never ok, unless you are in the resistance in a brutal dictatorship regime. Gaming the system has its eventual consequences, directly or indirectly. Can I ship it by air? How much can I ship by air without it costing me an arm and a leg? I'm sure UPS/Fedex/DHL will gladly step in, you just have to pay extra to get it on an airplane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maksidrom View Post
    I'm sure UPS/Fedex/DHL will gladly step in, you just have to pay extra to get it on an airplane.
    For overseas shipping, this seems to work. I've had stuff come this way. We had to be specific about the original manufacturer, including an address.

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    I always just tell them what it is. Ive had some post office employees say uner 6 oz is fine for air. Others, last time i had to argue to even get them to take it ground. They wanted to reject it outright. Most times it just goes ground, and im fine with it. I like following rules. Its hip to be square.
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    Just like many businesses, corporations, or entities.....people getting paid big bucks to sit around conference room tables and think up new guidelines and regulations. Most of which couldn’t matter less. Wish I could get paid to sit around and think sh_t up. My mom and stepdad are both postmasters...who also agree wholeheartedly. Oh and as always....

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    Never say I’m shipping fragrances, of the probably 100+ I have shipped they all arrived just fine no leaks or breakage. I pack them well and most fit nicely in the $7.90 priority flat rate box and have still arrived perfect, I understand the postal services concerns but I have yet to have a issue.
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    Always lie and I use the self-serve automated kiosk so I don't have to lie to a real person. I started feeling bad about lying to the postal employees.

    Once, I had just lied to an employee when she suddenly decided to rip open my box and start pulling the contents out of it. She did it because she said the box I was using was costing me way too much and she had a different box I could put everything in, but instead of asking me if I would like to take her up on that offer or handing me back my box and asking me to open it and then repackage the contents, she just took a box cutter straight to the top, ripped it open and started pulling out my colognes. I had literally just answered her, "are you shipping perfume" question with a resolute, "no." Fortunately, I had the colognes so wrapped up in bubble wrap that you couldn't see what was in them too easily and I grabbed the box and its contents as quickly back from her as she had grabbed it and ripped it open from me. Then I repacked it and sent it off. It was a weird experience. And that lady was something else, just ripping my package open like that.

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    I'm in the UK and still have to lie about fragrances being in their original packaging sometimes. I do put them in a box, even if I don't have the original one, just in case they X-ray or open it, which seems perfectly suffient to me.

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    Based in the UK here and I have shipped fragrances out multiple times in recent years (2019 most recently), though without using Royal Mail (i.e. regular post). The other couriers state they don't carry perfumes but have very openly advised both me and others (not naming any individuals or companies) that they will accept them if they are not labelled as perfume. This voids their insurance of course but it can and has been done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cazaubon View Post
    I think the whole thing is BS and hypocritical. I can pack my checked suitcase on a flight full of perfumes, no problem. I can pack a ziploc bag filled with perfume in my carry-on. I receive packages all the time from internet retailers, not marked ORM-D, no absorbent packaging, etc., no problem. No coherence to these policies.
    I agree the whole policy is a bunch of fairy tales. I have legitimately bought and had scents shipped in to the UK from beyond and the couriers/postal services had no issues whatsoever. However, it's clearly taboo to be sending out scents from the UK. There is just no common sense around the policy and as cazaubon says, it's perfectly OK for me to travel with my perfumes in my checked-in luggage - and believe me I have checked in loads!
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    My most recent set of samples form Canada was opened by US Customs, but re-sealed nicely. They were 4-ml sprays marked cosmetic samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Yes, a few times, years ago, employees at the Post Office refused my package. Twice, they let me do things (mark the package ORM-D, repack from Priority [must be air] to plain brown [ground]) and it shipped. Very logical - I learned the rules on marking and packaging and accepted the need for ground shipping. I was meticulous. But once they simply refused a valid package - so I walked out, called Washington (multiple officials, USPS and DOT) from my car, and brought up all the regulations on my laptop, based on what they told me. Called back and got them to say YES the local office must take this package as described. Went back in with the bloody web pages running on my computer, called out the manager, showed him the emails and pages, and made them ship it, after I reboxed it to meet and exceed every minor regulation, which even most stores don't do, and the people at the post office didn't know.
    I've had this happen when trying to follow the rule, back when I followed the rule, except I didn't make a bunch of calls and walk back in with armed with web pages. I walked back in and lied.

    I have received fragrances from retailers that were legally shipped via air, and the bottles were literally rattling around in a box with little to no padding.

    I'm generally all for following the rules, but if the USPS can't consistently interpret its own regulation, and apparently hands out exceptions for exclusivity deals, I can't be bothered to abide, while trying to educate USPS employees.

    I'm absolutely certain that I'm not putting anyone in danger or otherwise jeopardizing the mail system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maksidrom View Post
    Yes, it's "really that dangerous", otherwise these rules or regulations wouldn't exist.
    Sorry, I reject this notion. There's plenty of rules about "safety" (HUGE air quotes there) that are more about bureaucracy and control than true saftey.

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    Why did this thread get moved to online shopping?? Its not about online shopping at all, its about what we all do when shipping fragrances!!?

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    The UK here too. You can do it in the UK via royal mail but it must be in original packaging and I just say it is.

    Now try to ship outside the UK and no chance, they do X-Ray and if it shows liquid it will be destroyed. Actually it comes to Belfast to a special unit near the docks.

    Only this month on another forum not about fragrance someone tried to ship an expensive fragrance (no idea which as they did not say), abroad as a gift and it had just disappeared from tracking. I had to explain and others did too you cannot ship outside the UK via royal mail. He actually thought he might get it sent back to him. I had to tell him no it will be destroyed and he will get a letter telling him also if he tried to do it again they would a fine. It was actually a consumer forum and he wanted to know if it was lost would he be able to claim from royal mail.
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