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    Default Amouage - Journey Man, review

    So far , from the House of Amouage, Memoir Man is the only one I have loved.

    With the others, including this latest 'Journey Man', I am reminded of the good old phrase ' Over egging the pudding'.

    Amouage like, it seems, to over egg everything. With them, it's not "less is more", but "more is just too much".

    They leave me feeling satiated, like after a heavy Christmas dinner where you stuffed your belly with so much, you curse the dog who is looking at you wanting you to take him for a walk. You curse him, silently, rubbing your belly.

    I suggest re-naming Epic Man ..."Run of the Mill" man, and Journey Man..."just popped round the corner for a pint" man.

    I expected more from them, but they seem to be a house relying on an image of luxury where people associate "quality" with "excess".

    I'm glad I found Memoir Man, they struck gold with this.

    With the others, it seems they have many huge bags of exotic ingredients and are all getting drunk throwing random things into the mix and hoping for the best.

    So much for Journey Man. I'm off for a pint.

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    Where is the review? What notes don't you like and what is too much exactly? I only read comparisons to pudding and pints, lol.
    Can you be a little more in depth about this fragrance maybe?

    Anyway, to me it is a nice fragrance but you have to like a sharp pepper smell.
    Cautiously applied I get a nice mixture of mainly (black) pepper on a tobacco-incense base with tiny hints of leather and fruits.
    A fragrance that will or can grow on you. I really enjoy wearing it from time to time (own 2x 2ml samples).
    My Top '11' of main current rotation in no particular order:

    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Antaeus (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - TF: Ombré Leather
    - Cartier: Santos edt (vtg)
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Thierry Mugler: A*men
    - SA: Al Basel
    - D&G: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Mancera: Red Tobacco
    - Mancera: Aoud Vanille

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post
    Where is the review? What notes don't you like and what is too much exactly? I only read comparisons to pudding and pints, lol.
    Can you be a little more in depth about this fragrance maybe?

    Anyway, to me it is a nice fragrance but you have to like a sharp pepper smell.
    Cautiously applied I get a nice mixture of mainly (black) pepper on a tobacco-incense base with tiny hints of leather and fruits.
    A fragrance that will or can grow on you. I really enjoy wearing it from time to time (own 2x 2ml samples).

    When I go to a concert, i don't talk about the individual notes of the musicians. I talk about the music and how it made me feel.

    Same with fragrances. By all means, talk about notes, if you want. I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    When I go to a concert, i don't talk about the individual notes of the musicians. I talk about the music and how it made me feel.

    Same with fragrances. By all means, talk about notes, if you want. I don't.
    Ok, pudding and pint it is then, lol (no pun/offense intended).....I was just hoping you could explain a bit more by going into what you actually smell and like/don't like about it.....

    Like what you wrote here:

    With the others, it seems they have many huge bags of exotic ingredients and are all getting drunk throwing random things into the mix and hoping for the best.
    My Top '11' of main current rotation in no particular order:

    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Antaeus (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - TF: Ombré Leather
    - Cartier: Santos edt (vtg)
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Thierry Mugler: A*men
    - SA: Al Basel
    - D&G: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Mancera: Red Tobacco
    - Mancera: Aoud Vanille

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    When I go to a concert, i don't talk about the individual notes of the musicians. I talk about the music and how it made me feel.

    Same with fragrances. By all means, talk about notes, if you want. I don't.
    I take what you're saying, Joe, although I think this is an apples and oranges comparison.
    An orchestra where individual notes or instruments can be heard above the rest is actually a sign of a bad orchestra.

    Fragrances however are designed (ask any chemist about "packaging") to have a top, mid and base accord. Traditionally they are designed to evolve over time. e.g. A bit of bergamot in the opening, but vetiver and leather in the base. I say traditionally as obviously this does not apply to modern takes like Molecule 01 and single-note scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum View Post
    I take what you're saying, Joe, although I think this is an apples and oranges comparison.
    An orchestra where individual notes or instruments can be heard above the rest is actually a sign of a bad orchestra.

    Fragrances however are designed (ask any chemist about "packaging") to have a top, mid and base accord. Traditionally they are designed to evolve over time. e.g. A bit of bergamot in the opening, but vetiver and leather in the base. I say traditionally as obviously this does not apply to modern takes like Molecule 01 and single-note scents.
    Hi Rum,

    Don't get me wrong, I love to hear others who know about fragrances talking about notes, like you just did. It's fascinating to me, and I am not saying that the individual notes are not important. Of course they are, I'm not a Luddite, I appreciate knowledge and respect those who know more than me about any subject.

    But I don't, because I can't :-). Any more than I can play the clarinet, though I bought one on Huddersfield open market 10 years ago with the dream of one day playing it. I've taken it around the world with me and it's still here in its case, reminding me every day of my failure to start learning it.

    Sometimes I can detect notes, of course, and can say "this smells of patchouli" or "lemon" etc. But in general, I can only mostly talk about my wearing experience in general and how it affected my mood, made me feel. I can say, for example, that the opening of Journey Man is unique and interesting. As it goes on, I find myself smelling my wrist and thinking that it grows more 'generic' by the hour. I feel there's a certain heaviness about many Amouage scents which makes me feel as if the scent is wearing me, and not the other way around. They feel heavy, somewhat cloying and cumbersome, exotic and rich, like a rich velvet ermine or something conspicuously luxuriant, that doesn't blend with who I feel I am as a person.

    I am in two minds about Epic Man. I will try it again at some point. I didn't dislike it, I personally found it smelled of soap. I;m not saying "soapy", because that sounds negative. I liked it. I loved Memoir Man, because I detected one simple theme, even though I don't know if there is myrrh in there , I thought it smelled like sweet myrrh. Maybe I liked that it had one theme, wasn't overpowering or oppressive, and didn't overwhelm my senses.

    I would really like to try Lyric Man and Dia Man some day. I've heard very good things about them and think they might suit me better.

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    Amouage's trademark style is to make scents with a lot of layers, a kind of "too much is just enough" effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just feels like they tossed a bunch of stuff into a pot.

    Personally, I really like Journey Man. It's like a classic masculine with a touch of incense. Take out the incense and it could almost be something from Floris or Santa Maria Novella. Gorgeous juniper note. The drydown is disappointing, but it takes a while to get there on my skin.

    I think it'd probably feel oppressive if not worn in cold weather.

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    I have never tried an Amouage fragrance before in my life, but I'll be getting some samplers in this week (Dia Man, Reflection Man & Interlude Man)...to be honest, I have low expecations (for what I personally like), I would like to try Memoir & Lyric next, but haven't been able to find samplers in my area yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    They leave me feeling satiated, like after a heavy Christmas dinner where you stuffed your belly with so much, you curse the dog who is looking at you wanting you to take him for a walk. You curse him, silently, rubbing your belly.
    Love the analogy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gewoonBB View Post
    I have never tried an Amouage fragrance before in my life, but I'll be getting some samplers in this week (Dia Man, Reflection Man & Interlude Man)...to be honest, I have low expecations (for what I personally like), I would like to try Memoir & Lyric next, but haven't been able to find samplers in my area yet
    I'd say low expectations are generally better in life. Harder to be disappointed

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    I have to say that I mostly agree with Joe here. Most Amouages lack the airy and translucent attribute I so much appreciate in fragrances. They are a bit stuffy and sometimes even messy. I think that you could still like Dia Man. While very complex, it's one of the less heavyhanded Amouages.

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    I agree with some of the users here: there was no review of journey in the post, notes or no notes. The only statement made about journey is "over egging the pudding" and the rest of the post is blanket statements about the brand and thoughts about other fragrances from the brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genvy5 View Post
    I agree with some of the users here: there was no review of journey in the post, notes or no notes. The only statement made about journey is "over egging the pudding" and the rest of the post is blanket statements about the brand and thoughts about other fragrances from the brand.
    Yep.

    There are actually more specific comments about other Amouages than there are about Journey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    When I go to a concert, i don't talk about the individual notes of the musicians. I talk about the music and how it made me feel.

    Same with fragrances. By all means, talk about notes, if you want. I don't.
    But you didn't even talk about how Journey made you feel, except for an eight word phrase or two. The vast majority of your post was about how other specific Amouages and how Amouage in general make you feel, yet the title of the thread indicates it will be a review of Journey.

    It's like you went to a concert and decided to post a review of one song, but only actually spoke about other songs and the music in general.
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    Hi Joe,

    I think it might be better if you simply concluded that Amouage's offerings might not be for you: in the spirit of different strokes for different folks. That's fine and how this hobby works. People like different things.

    Where you go wrong, in my view, is the attitude expressed in statements like this:

    I expected more from them, but they seem to be a house relying on an image of luxury where people associate "quality" with "excess".
    This is no longer you expressing your opinion about a particular house. Now you're telling me that I consider Jubilation to be an artistic masterpiece because I have been fooled by their image of luxury and am therefore confusing quality with excess.

    Sorry Joe. You don't know what you're talking about.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    So far , from the House of Amouage, Memoir Man is the only one I have loved.

    With the others, including this latest 'Journey Man', I am reminded of the good old phrase ' Over egging the pudding'.

    Amouage like, it seems, to over egg everything. With them, it's not "less is more", but "more is just too much".

    They leave me feeling satiated, like after a heavy Christmas dinner where you stuffed your belly with so much, you curse the dog who is looking at you wanting you to take him for a walk. You curse him, silently, rubbing your belly.

    I suggest re-naming Epic Man ..."Run of the Mill" man, and Journey Man..."just popped round the corner for a pint" man.

    I expected more from them, but they seem to be a house relying on an image of luxury where people associate "quality" with "excess".

    I'm glad I found Memoir Man, they struck gold with this.

    With the others, it seems they have many huge bags of exotic ingredients and are all getting drunk throwing random things into the mix and hoping for the best.

    So much for Journey Man. I'm off for a pint.
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    A pleasant but unspectacular fragrance -- a bit in the mould of Beloved Man, not in smell, but ambition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Krycek View Post
    Hi Joe,

    I think it might be better if you simply concluded that Amouage's offerings might not be for you: in the spirit of different strokes for different folks. That's fine and how this hobby works. People like different things.

    Where you go wrong, in my view, is the attitude expressed in statements like this:



    This is no longer you expressing your opinion about a particular house. Now you're telling me that I consider Jubilation to be an artistic masterpiece because I have been fooled by their image of luxury and am therefore confusing quality with excess.

    Sorry Joe. You don't know what you're talking about.


    I'm happy that my post has helped people to understand my views on this fragrance. I'm not usually one to blow my own trumpet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this post wins some prizes one day. In such a situation, if there was some kind of Basenote's Awards Ceremony, I don't think it would be possible for me to attend myself, but I would do what those famous celebrities do, and attend by video conference, if possible, to make my acceptance speech. Or...I could ask another Basenotes Member to deliver my speech on my behalf. Either way, it would be the honour of a lifetime for me.

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    We have a review section. I agree with Alex. I like (and own) Journey Man. Sticky tobacco (pudding).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    We have a review section. I agree with Alex. I like (and own) Journey Man. Sticky tobacco (pudding).
    Sticky is defintitely an adjective I'd go with. It's still sticking to me now, after 6 showers and after asking my wife to exfoliate me with extra-abrasive sandpaper.

    I feel like a boiled chicken which has been marinated in juniper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Kilroy View Post
    When I go to a concert, i don't talk about the individual notes of the musicians. I talk about the music and how it made me feel.

    Same with fragrances. By all means, talk about notes, if you want. I don't.
    I get that approach, and have a somewhat similar one myself. Although I've been on BN for nearly a year now, and spent about 6-8 months lurking anonymously before that, I do still struggle to pick out a lot of individual notes. Some I can recognize, like vetiver, because it's become one of my favorites. To continue with the musical analogy, I can't pick out each instrument in Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade, but I still know enough to recognize the role of the violin, if not any of the other instruments. And, in the case of both music and fragrance, even that little foothold gives me something to grab onto and continue exploring and learning.

    That said, I personally find it helpful to use suggestive or imagistic language to describe fragrances; for example, Or Black to me smells like anise liqueur mixed with fruit punch - obviously those aren't the actual ingredients, but it's close enough that others can help me elaborate on those impressions (as Zealot Crusader did I believe, who pointed out to me that the fruit punch smell probably came from benzoin). Or Fahrenheit's gasoline and grass clippings vibe. A year and a half ago all I could get from it was lawnmower, but now I've spent enough time with it to parse out the leather and violet, and to recognize those same notes in other fragrances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkonick View Post
    I get that approach, and have a somewhat similar one myself. Although I've been on BN for nearly a year now, and spent about 6-8 months lurking anonymously before that, I do still struggle to pick out a lot of individual notes. Some I can recognize, like vetiver, because it's become one of my favorites. To continue with the musical analogy, I can't pick out each instrument in Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade, but I still know enough to recognize the role of the violin, if not any of the other instruments. And, in the case of both music and fragrance, even that little foothold gives me something to grab onto and continue exploring and learning.

    That said, I personally find it helpful to use suggestive or imagistic language to describe fragrances; for example, Or Black to me smells like anise liqueur mixed with fruit punch - obviously those aren't the actual ingredients, but it's close enough that others can help me elaborate on those impressions (as Zealot Crusader did I believe, who pointed out to me that the fruit punch smell probably came from benzoin). Or Fahrenheit's gasoline and grass clippings vibe. A year and a half ago all I could get from it was lawnmower, but now I've spent enough time with it to parse out the leather and violet, and to recognize those same notes in other fragrances.
    You're right, and I do try to say which everyday things scents make me think of. My wife commented that it was a good job I didn't fall in love with all 6 Amouage samples which were sent to me, it must be awful to love something but not be able to afford it. Luckily my Memoir Man sample will last me a good while yet. I also debated whether to be so direct and brutal in my responses, from fear of offending the friend who sent them to me, but I think true friends value honesty above all things, and I did tell her honestly that I loved Memoir Man , and she said it was her favourite too.

    There is something of the inverted snob in me, I'll admit that. My response was probably more abrasive than if Amouage had been a discount line, but I do honestly believe that for all their lushness and luxuriousness, I personally find them in general to be quite heavy and overbearing, even a bit oppressive. My $19 bottle of Havana only projects like a skin scent after a few hours, but I love the whiff of it that I do catch so much, that I wouldn't want to be without it again.

    I feel that the House of Amouage will survive my critical views, no matter what. The market may be shaky for a few days after reading my post, and their stocks may fall, but I have a feeling that their shares will recover by next week. There will always be enough people ready to spend hundreds of dollars for their perfumes. I just won't be among them. And I'm kind of glad that I now know that I won't feel I am missing out on anything.

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    I got no benefit from this review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabar View Post
    I got no benefit from this review.
    I'm really sorry to hear that. I'll try to make sure my next review is of some benefit to you. If you let me know exactly what you'd like me to write, I'll make sure I put it all in there, just for your benefit.

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    It sounds to me like you’re focusing too much on the names. If you don’t like Epic, you probably never will but Journey is a grower. You might like it more if you come back to it later. Forget about the names. They’re not important.
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    I purchased a bottle years ago, but ended up returning it. It was a decent fragrance, but for the price, I expected more. Would still purchase another bottle if the price was right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    We have a review section
    exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francolino View Post
    exactly!


    Yes, I know, but there's nothing like good old human feedback , and I wanted to make sure as many people as possible could benefit from my words of wisdom.

    It's been interesting to hear both the good and bad, especially the good and the people who agree with me. Personally if I want sticky toffee pudding I can buy it in Pricemart and rub it into my pulse points.




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