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    Default The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody hates?

    Ok,

    Show me a scent that 'everyone' on here won't dissent against. I don't think I've ever seen such a fragrance. There is no focus group, no artistic creation, no "director approved" designer, no, none that satisfy all.

    But hey, toss your best universal scent in the ring and let's find out which one "no one can dislike".

    I would have started with 4711, but nope, someone once replied to a post I made giving love to 4711 and said he 'hated' it. How can anyone hate 4711? So fresh, so simple, so timeless. Even that one got hate from someone once. So, give it your best shot and let's find out what responders have to say.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    'The Holy Grail' is subjective: there is no scent that everyone likes...nor hates

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    I think you would be more likely to find one that nobody hates than that everyone loves... But your 4711 example may disprove that.

    Or just, you know, Aventus.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    I don't think anyone hates Secretions Magnifiques.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    I feel like anything with heightened exclusivity placed on a pedestal by enough influential people becomes a holy grail. Hence when an influencer or youtuber talks about an obscure discontinued scent that nobody beforehand really wanted, it's suddenly $500 on eBay and becomes the talk of "FragBros" everywhere.

    Replace discontinued with artisanal brand like Areej le Dore and same thing (Russian Oud being the scent responsible for sending that whole house into unobtaniumland), or replace something not-so-scarce with something reasonably available but still niche and you end up with Roja Dove/Creed hype levels.

    If it's not discontinued, limited-batch, or extremely exclusive/expensive by design, it almost can't be a "grail" scent (at least for guys), no matter how universally liked it is.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    I feel like anything with heightened exclusivity placed on a pedestal by enough influential people becomes a holy grail.
    That's a different concept of "grail" than that put forward by the OP, though. Tspencer is defining it as a fragrance everyone likes. You're defining it as a fragrance everyone (at least within a self-selected community) wants. These are very different ideas, and even if we accepted for the sake of argument that tspencer's is possible, they're certain not to be embodied in the same fragrance, because your concept revolves around a supposed exclusivity of both access and taste that precludes being universally likable.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    In theory it would be easier to find a fragrance nobody hates, rather than the one everybody likes.......but, either way, not happening. There isn’t one.

    I think a good related question would be, what fragrance genre would be most likely to produce a nobody dislikes fragrance if it were possible??

    IMO it would be a fresh/soapy/fougere type

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Almost as easy as finding a song that is universally liked.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    No such thing, if only because this hobby, like the world at large, is full of contrarian hipsters who will hate on something just because it’s popular.
    It’s very entertaining
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    That's a different concept of "grail" than that put forward by the OP, though. Tspencer is defining it as a fragrance everyone likes. You're defining it as a fragrance everyone (at least within a self-selected community) wants. These are very different ideas, and even if we accepted for the sake of argument that tspencer's is possible, they're certain not to be embodied in the same fragrance, because your concept revolves around a supposed exclusivity of both access and taste that precludes being universally likable.
    And I offered that definition for contrast and its explanation because that's typically what gets labelled a grail these days: the thing a lot of people want but few ever get to attain. I think a scent everyone likes universally ends up inverting itself with ubiquity over time to become passé like Old Spice or Drakkar Noir. In other words, a physical impossibility.
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    Within the Basenotes community, Vintage Tabarome by Creed seems to be the best/closest contender-have not read nor heard about anyone here disliking this fragrance, at least not so far-though in part its legendary status/fame, scarcity and pricing may have at least in part, even unknowingly contributed to this.

    Outside of Basenotes, the situation might get a bit too complicated and the possible options either too vast to properly know, define or estimate, but on the other hand also likely to include only a select few (almost) unanimously famous and popular, almost boundlessly profitable designer and niche bestsellers. The ones likelier to be noticed, liked, even complimented almost equally often and indiscriminately, nearly irrespective if going out with friends, dating, traveling, on formal as well as informal occasions, also during a job interview, in office/workplace environments, during spare time/after hours and in almost any other possible context.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by tspencer View Post
    Ok,

    Show me a scent that 'everyone' on here won't dissent against. I don't think I've ever seen such a fragrance. There is no focus group, no artistic creation, no "director approved" designer, no, none that satisfy all.
    On here, won't happen.


    But hey, toss your best universal scent in the ring and let's find out which one "no one can dislike".
    If "no one can dislike it," how good can it be that virtually everyone would like it? Something that no one dislikes must be pretty inoffensive to the point of being bland? Isn't it better to just find out what's the best crowd pleaser for each generation or era?

    Acqua di Gio seemed to be the "everyone's favorite" of the early 2000s. Eternity early '89-'91.

    I would have started with 4711, but nope, someone once replied to a post I made giving love to 4711 and said he 'hated' it. How can anyone hate 4711? So fresh, so simple, so timeless. Even that one got hate from someone once. So, give it your best shot and let's find out what responders have to say.
    Okay, that's a good one. I wouldn't have even thought of wearing it, as it's way too retro to the point of being simplistic but...it not a bad scent at all and it's not quite bland either. Makes me want to add it my collection.

    I think the type of scent that everyone would like and no one would hate would probably be something very fresh and clean that doesn't last long. Something like an eau de cologne, or those cheapies at the discounters that don't smell like scratchy synthetic or heavy. Maybe Paradise by Alfred Sung? I remember smelling it and finding nothing objectionable about it whatsoever. In fact it was very pleasant smelling, and I was worried that it was not masculine enough.

    Most men's fragrances have something in the dry down that can be disagreeable to others unless the wearer has something that adds to it.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    First things first, the "Holy Grail" does not exist.

    I like some suggestions in the thread though. Both Acqua di Gio and Old Spice. Of course not all will like it, but many will approve they have got/done something.

    I'm surprised no one auto-replied Green Irish Tweed. It bores me out, so not something I would suggest.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by Trauerkraut View Post
    'The Holy Grail' is subjective: there is no scent that everyone likes...nor hates
    Agree.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by tspencer View Post
    Ok,

    Show me a scent that 'everyone' on here won't dissent against. I don't think I've ever seen such a fragrance. There is no focus group, no artistic creation, no "director approved" designer, no, none that satisfy all.

    But hey, toss your best universal scent in the ring and let's find out which one "no one can dislike".

    I would have started with 4711, but nope, someone once replied to a post I made giving love to 4711 and said he 'hated' it. How can anyone hate 4711? So fresh, so simple, so timeless. Even that one got hate from someone once. So, give it your best shot and let's find out what responders have to say.
    I know many people who hate 4711/Neroli Portofino, they name it "dated" and "grandmother-y". That's not a revelation as we live in era of Sauvage freshness.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    I always thought of the Holy Grail as an individual's personal ultimate best scent, not one that everybody likes. The Holy Grail is usually elusive and causes one to search out hundreds of possibilities. Hence, the Quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilby Lark View Post
    I always thought of the Holy Grail as an individual's personal ultimate best scent, not one that everybody likes. The Holy Grail is usually elusive and causes one to search out hundreds of possibilities. Hence, the Quest.
    That is exactly how I see it! I was a bit puzzled of the use of the term, but as he explained how he thought I joined in.

    That is why the "Holy Grail" is, and has to be, subjective. It is up to every person if they have found their holy grail and no other can determine that.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    As already mentioned a holy grail scent is subjective.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    As used by the OP, the “grail” would be for perfume companies rather than for consumers. I don’t want to wear something everyone likes, but I’d love to be able to sell it.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Even if it were the literal fragrance holy grail, the scent Christ used for the Last Supper, people would still probably criticize it.
    Anyway, aren't we already there? Designers putting out releases with mass appeal?
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    The market for holy grails dried up in the 90s.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    The mass pleasing designer fragrances are trying to be this, but after extended amounts of time some people might grow bored or disgusted of some and depending on application this will vary person to person. I don’t think such a scent exists since the sense of smell varies greatly among people.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    I posted a thread about HOLY GRAILs some time ago. Everybody has his own holy grail. Sometimes people do not even have it. But if we are talking about a perfume that everybody likes, I would guess that a citrus that smells natural and is not sharp would appeal to most people. Something like the green orange in Eau D'Orange Verte. But I might be wrong.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by Trilby Lark View Post
    I always thought of the Holy Grail as an individual's personal ultimate best scent, not one that everybody likes. The Holy Grail is usually elusive and causes one to search out hundreds of possibilities. Hence, the Quest.
    This is how I normally use it, and how I see it used by most people in the fragrance community.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Which food is universal liked? None
    Which woman? None
    Which movie? None
    Which religion? None
    which, which, which...none, none, none
    Why should we agree on fragrance?
    The answer is again none

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by Monsieur Montana View Post
    Which food is universal liked? None
    Which woman? None
    Which movie? None
    Which religion? None
    which, which, which...none, none, none
    Why should we agree on fragrance?
    The answer is again none

    Most of humanity likes Bread. Does it not? Bread is kind of universally liked. There may be a very tiny small percentage of people who do not like bread, but I guess you can say that bread is universally liked. Most people like Milk, even if some people are allergic to it or have problems digesting it. I guess you can say that Milk is kind of universally liked. I guess that most of humanity believes in a creator. Isn't it? The idea of a creator is kind of universally present, even if there is a small percentage of atheists (like myself), agnostics and the like.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    What I am trying to say is that there are things and ideas that are indeed kind of universally liked/adopted. The opposition to them is very small.
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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    The real test of a holy grail is whether it makes peoples' faces melt. I don't just call my fragrances holy grails without justification.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    A very difficult task to answer, as it's impossible to please everyone.

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    Default Re: The Holy Grail...Is there 'really' such a thing as a fragrance that 'everyone' likes & nobody ha

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrei Bolkonsky View Post
    Most of humanity likes Bread. Does it not? Bread is kind of universally liked. There may be a very tiny small percentage of people who do not like bread, but I guess you can say that bread is universally liked. Most people like Milk, even if some people are allergic to it or have problems digesting it. I guess you can say that Milk is kind of universally liked. I guess that most of humanity believes in a creator. Isn't it? The idea of a creator is kind of universally present, even if there is a small percentage of atheists (like myself), agnostics and the like.
    most isn’t everybody
    let’s not try to dissect further or start a theological/philosophical discussion
    we are almost 8.000.000.000 people on this planet
    do you think we all agree at something?
    by the way I don’t like milk and the majority of south Asians don’t really eat bread




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