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    Encre Noir a L'Extreme -- but I might be in a minority on that.
    It's the best of the line, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    In terms of sales, probably Polo Blue because it's had many flanker-of-flankers while the original classic Polo languishes.

    Another one is Acqua di Giò (and it's male counterpart Acqua di Giò pour Homme). There was an original Giò by Giorgio Armani (1992) released beforehand, perfumed by Francoise Caron (only for the women's market) that nobody remembers. It never got a male counterpart.
    It's odd Polo hasn't tried a flanker for Green. Even Black got at least one flanker.
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    So many
    Prada Luna Rosa Extreme, Alien Essence Absolue, 212 Sexy Men, Rose Amazone, all Terre D’Hermès flankers, Tom Ford Noir Extreme and Antracite, Armani Code Ultimate, Emporio Armani Night, Bvlgari Pour Homme Soir and Extreme...
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    It's odd Polo hasn't tried a flanker for Green. Even Black got at least one flanker.
    Polo Crest and Polo Modern Reserve might count.

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    I mentioned GG Absolute as a supreme flanker, anyone tried Gucci Guilty Oud?

    I think ADG Profumo is an excellent flanker but the OG is nearly excellent as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    Polo Crest and Polo Modern Reserve might count.
    True. I may blind buy Crest. Polo's website has a 50th anniversary Polo as well.
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    ... Guerlain Vetiver Extreme, Versace Pour Homme Oud Noir...
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    Kouros Fraicheur
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    I mentioned GG Absolute as a supreme flanker, anyone tried Gucci Guilty Oud?
    GG Oud is pretty nice from my recollection of trying it in Macy’s a while back. I think it almost draws more from GGA femme than homme - it’s got the sharp but not sweet blackberry note from the femme edition, with a more toned down leather and patchouli reminiscent of homme, and a slightly funky oud. If I see a grey market tester for under $40 I’ll probably buy a bottle.
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    Encre Noir a L'Extreme -- but I might be in a minority on that.
    Totally agree. I don't like the real inky edt that's toned down in the vastly improved flanker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    It's odd Polo hasn't tried a flanker for Green. Even Black got at least one flanker.
    They know they can’t improve it outside of vintage or risk the Polo looking subpar hehe. I’m sure even though it’s a older fragrance sales for original Polo are still extremely high a lot of people still wear it and appreciate it.
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    I'll add to the list by saying, Chanel Allure Edition Blanche EdP. I think this is way, way better than the original Allure, and completely different.



    Agree - this one came immediately to mind for me as well.


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    Default Re: Flankers That Far Surpass The Original

    Better? A fair bit of it comes down to personal preferences. I certainly don’t think AdG Profumo is better than the OG.
    Chanel AHEB is completely different from Allure Homme so I wouldn’t call it a true flanker though it is a more attractive fragrance.
    While Polo Blue and its offsprings may outsell the original in more recent years stature-wise none of them got even close.

    The only clear winner here is indeed Guy Laroche Drakkar Noir, unequivocally ’far surpassing’ its original namesake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaTomas View Post
    I think original Armani Code was far too sweet and the flanker Code Absolu is a niche level bowtie and tux beauty. Bravo Armani
    Huh. I agree with your assessment of Code Absolu being top notch, I never thought original Code to be very sweet. Code Profumo on the other hand......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    Better? A fair bit of it comes down to personal preferences. I certainly don’t think AdG Profumo is better than the OG.
    Chanel AHEB is completely different from Allure Homme so I wouldn’t call it a true flanker though it is a more attractive fragrance.
    Some flankers are completely different. GG Absolute, my first example, has no similarities at all to Guilty. As far as I can tell.
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    Some flankers are completely different. GG Absolute, my first example, has no similarities at all to Guilty. As far as I can tell.
    Yes you really wonder why they kept the Guilty label on it. No Guilty DNA but a beautiful leather.
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    The first superior flankers that popped into my thinkulator were A*men Pure Havane & Pure Malt and LIDGE
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    I mentioned GG Absolute as a supreme flanker, anyone tried Gucci Guilty Oud?
    Quote Originally Posted by jkonick View Post
    GG Oud is pretty nice from my recollection of trying it in Macy’s a while back. I think it almost draws more from GGA femme than homme - it’s got the sharp but not sweet blackberry note from the femme edition, with a more toned down leather and patchouli reminiscent of homme, and a slightly funky oud. If I see a grey market tester for under $40 I’ll probably buy a bottle.
    This is an accurate description of it. It's a very dense scent but "slightly funk oud" comes across as somewhat luxurious if that makes sense. It definitely alpha female vibe to it. Dense and heavy but I don't get the heat or warmth of a typical oriental. It's not necessarily a challenging scent. It's pretty pleasant despite the oud and all that. But it really draws attention and is out the ordinary of what you normally smell out in RL.

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    Eau Sauvage Parfum (2012 Version)
    Tom Ford Extreme for men
    Prada Amber pour homme Intense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh V. View Post
    This is an accurate description of it. It's a very dense scent but "slightly funk oud" comes across as somewhat luxurious if that makes sense. It definitely alpha female vibe to it. Dense and heavy but I don't get the heat or warmth of a typical oriental. It's not necessarily a challenging scent. It's pretty pleasant despite the oud and all that. But it really draws attention and is out the ordinary of what you normally smell out in RL.
    Yeah, it is definitely interesting and different, like GGA. It leans feminine but most BNers would find it acceptable as unisex I think. The oud was funkier than I would expect in a designer release on the counter at Macy's, which definitely gives it a classier, pseudo-niche vibe (again, not unlike GGA).

    Although I'm a huge fan of Encre Noire, I have to agree that ENE surpasses the original in terms of the more fleshed out notes and greater general appeal. Personally, though, I don't like patchouli, which is prominent to me in ENE, and I absolutely love both vetiver and Iso E Super, which is basically the majority of what you're getting in EN. But I still think it would be fair to say ENE surpasses the original.

    Haven't tried Guerlain Homme, but I do own l'Eau Boisee, which seems to get talked up a lot more here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasser05 View Post
    Eau Sauvage Parfum (2012 Version)
    Not nearly as good as the original Eau Sauvage in my book. Certainly not more successful, given that it was reformulated soon thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    Not nearly as good as the original Eau Sauvage in my book. Certainly not more successful, given that it was reformulated soon thereafter.
    Is the reformulation due to it not being successful or IFRA related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigserver1 View Post
    Acqua di Gio Profumo
    This. Profumo is the way the original 'SHOULD' have been from the very beginning. I've always wondered why I felt the original seemed like a rough-draft and not a finished product. Profumo is that finished product.

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    I'm not sure about 'far surpassing', but I certainly enjoy these more than their OGs:

    Tuscany per Uomo Forte
    Perfume Calligraphy Rose
    Azzaro pour Homme Intense (1992 version)
    Chanel Pour Monsieur Concentree
    Terre d'Hermes Parfum
    New York Intense
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    Quote Originally Posted by deltasun View Post
    Is the reformulation due to it not being successful or IFRA related?
    I don't think regulations had anything to do with the 2017 reboot of Eau Sauvage Parfum. My understanding is they decided to bring it closer to the original. I have not yet tried ESP 2017, so I have no opinion of it. I should also say I don't dislike ESP 2012: it's just that if I had to choose between keeping that and my vintage Eau Sauvage, I'd give up the ESP without a moment's hesitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Russell View Post
    Though already liking most of these fragrances in their initial, regular versions anyway, still mentioning:


    - Fahrenheit Parfum and Absolute over Fahrenheit,

    - same situation with the Dior Homme flankers Intense, Parfum, Sport, Cologne,


    Can't disagree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero58 View Post
    I'll add to the list by saying, Chanel Allure Edition Blanche EdP. I think this is way, way better than the original Allure, and completely different.
    Indeed it's so different, that it can hardly be compared to the original. As for my tastes, the original Allure is unequaled by any of its flankers.
    But that's not surprising it is so successful in the US, as it has been blended to please the tastes for sweet stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    I know there are many. In this day and age, duds come out far more often than solid releases. Sometimes they make up for it by putting out an improvement on the original. I'm not just talking about an improvement here....I mean completely surpassing the original by a landslide.

    The most notable that comes to my mind would be Gucci Guilty Absolute.

    Let's hear what you got!
    I agree that GGA is the one that also comes to my mind immediately.

    That said, there's a difference between real flankers (meant as variations on the theme, like TdH Parfum, Encre Noire a' L'Extreme or Dior Homme Parfum for example) and trademark flankers (meant as the use of a succesful name to make a frag totally different from the original one, like for Allure Edition Blanche, Gucci Guilty Absolute/Oud/Cologne, L'Eau Bleue d'Issey or many of YSL L'Homme flankers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    Not nearly as good as the original Eau Sauvage in my book.
    I concur. While I respect opinions to the contrary, the original to me was light years superior smelling, and light years different. I really didn’t consider the Parfum (2012) a flanker, but more of a cash-in on the Eau Sauvage name. The quality was there, but the composition was not Eau Sauvage at all.

    I was so insulted at the rather obvious affront, I never even sniffed the 2017 reformulation that supposedly smells closer to the original.
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    Default Re: Flankers That Far Surpass The Original

    - Acqua di Gio Profumo +3
    - Declaration L'Eau and Cologne Edt are for me personally way better than the original
    - As well as Dior DHP and ESP
    My Top '11':

    - Paco Rabanne: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Antaeus (vtg)
    - Azzaro: Pour Homme (vtg)
    - Armani: AdG Profumo
    - Jacques Bogart: Furyo
    - Guerlain: Héritage (vtg)
    - Thierry Mugler: A*men
    - SA: Al Basel
    - D&G: Pour Homme (vtg)
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