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    Default What's the deal with YSL Le nuit de L'homme?

    Ive been seeing conflicting stories on forums with regards to current and vintage with the majority opinion being that the vintage pre 2014 smells the same as the current and that the vintage never had beastly longevity nor projection and that the scent itself has always been a skin scent. Whats the deal with it? Also how can one tell a vintage batch on a site like ebay? I am only fluent with Aventus batches.

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    Default Re: What's the deal with YSL Le nuit de L'homme?

    Yves Saint Laurent La Nuit de L'Homme has been the victim (albeit a profitable one) of mass YouTuber/Influencer hysteria in the online community, most of that from Jeremy Fragrance, who championed it as his favorite for years before going into his own line.

    All versions I've smelled are good, but I imagine pre-2011 might have more oakmoss in the composition for a bit rounder feel in the very final stages of the finish. I wouldn't say it's enough to call it better because the scent was never really about being mossy in the first place, so folks saying only deep vintage matters are really just stuck up their own pedantic asses.
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    Default Re: What's the deal with YSL Le nuit de L'homme?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post
    Ive been seeing conflicting stories on forums with regards to current and vintage with the majority opinion being that the vintage pre 2014 smells the same as the current and that the vintage never had beastly longevity nor projection and that the scent itself has always been a skin scent. Whats the deal with it?
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    I can confirm what ZC hypothesized - original batches are definitely a bit fuller, denser, darker, and rounder in the finish - spicier too - most likely due to more oak moss in the formula. Newer stuff (I've smelled a 2016 and what I assume was a 2019 batch) is sweeter, lighter, and soapier.

    I can also confirm that older batches (I have a bottle of the original, 2009 formation) are not beastly performers. The projection/performance of this has been at best moderate and at worst, weak to moderate. This is probably the one scent out of my ~50 bottle collection that I overspray the most. Here is a "batch difference" guide I pulled off of Fragrantica. If you're trying to find a "vintage" batch cause you think it smells better or performs better, you're most likely gonna be disappointed IMO. Anyhow, if you still DO want to source one, the key to finding vintage, original batch stuff, is a metal cap...

    BATCHES AND REFORMULATIONS

    I am lucky enough to live in a place where I can find many pre-reformulation bottles of this, so I could test out ALL YEARS of La Nuit. Here you go:

    2009:
    9KAA: Of course very first formula, creamy, dark cardamom bomb, not that powdery, dark juice, metal-hollow cap. Performance is hard in the first 3 hours, lasts for 12+ hours.

    2010:
    0FAA: The exact same in every aspects as 2009.
    0LBA: They changed the metal hollow cap to a heavy plastic one, and the box as well. It has different formula code, so THE FIRST REFORMULATION HAPPENED IN LATE 2010! The scent itself is not as creamy, or dark. More on the fresh, and powdery side.

    2011:
    1BAA (February 2011): The exact same as late 2010. 8YB02-2 Formula code, first reformulation box and bottle design. Lasts for 10 hours and projects for 2 hours.
    62H301 (March 2011): They changed the batch code from 4 digits to 6 digits, the exact same juice as late 2010.
    62H805 (August 2011): Same.

    2012:
    62J604 (June 2012): More powdery, fresher, lighter juice color, a bit less performance.
    62J800 (August 2012): Same.

    2013:
    38KD01 (December 2013 [Edition Art]): Even lighter juice color, even more powdery and less cardamom, even less projection.

    2014:
    62L608 (June 2014): Same as December 2013.

    2015:
    38M207 (February 2015): Green, light juice, no performance however it still had the 8YB02-2 formula code...

    You can beleive me there is an enormous difference between late 2010 8YB02-2 and early 2015 8YB02-02!

    I would not buy any post 2012!
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    La Nuit is the fragrance that got me started down this rabbit hole 10 years ago. It smelled so good back then that it blew my mind.

    Don't even bother trying to find pre-2011 bottles. You might find one but the seller will want $350 or more for it. Hell, there are sellers asking $200 or more for 2013 bottles which is a complete joke. True vintage bottles will have a 4 digit batch code on the bottom of the bottle btw. 2013 doesn't smell any better than what they're churning out now, so don't even worry about finding a vintage unless you're willing to pay an outrageous amount of money. Vintage bottles are much more potent than the current stuff. It was never beastly in terms of projection, but it was very good, and longevity was 10 hours or so for me. If you like the smell, the modern stuff is pretty much 80-90% similar just ridiculously weaker. So just buy that and overspray it. If you've never smelled the original version you won't be missing anything. I've tried the new stuff and I didn't want to keep it because it's lost what made it so special. I consider this one that is lost forever. Don't overpay on this one. Buy the newest bottle and get it as cheaply as you can.

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    I enjoy the earlier versions.
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    Default Re: What's the deal with YSL Le nuit de L'homme?

    I own earlier and current versions, and am quite content with either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    I can confirm what ZC hypothesized - original batches are definitely a bit fuller, denser, darker, and rounder in the finish - spicier too - most likely due to more oak moss in the formula. Newer stuff (I've smelled a 2016 and what I assume was a 2019 batch) is sweeter, lighter, and soapier.

    I can also confirm that older batches (I have a bottle of the original, 2009 formation) are not beastly performers. The projection/performance of this has been at best moderate and at worst, weak to moderate. This is probably the one scent out of my ~50 bottle collection that I overspray the most. Here is a "batch difference" guide I pulled off of Fragrantica. If you're trying to find a "vintage" batch cause you think it smells better or performs better, you're most likely gonna be disappointed IMO. Anyhow, if you still DO want to source one, the key to finding vintage, original batch stuff, is a metal cap...

    BATCHES AND REFORMULATIONS

    I am lucky enough to live in a place where I can find many pre-reformulation bottles of this, so I could test out ALL YEARS of La Nuit. Here you go:

    2009:
    9KAA: Of course very first formula, creamy, dark cardamom bomb, not that powdery, dark juice, metal-hollow cap. Performance is hard in the first 3 hours, lasts for 12+ hours.

    2010:
    0FAA: The exact same in every aspects as 2009.
    0LBA: They changed the metal hollow cap to a heavy plastic one, and the box as well. It has different formula code, so THE FIRST REFORMULATION HAPPENED IN LATE 2010! The scent itself is not as creamy, or dark. More on the fresh, and powdery side.

    2011:
    1BAA (February 2011): The exact same as late 2010. 8YB02-2 Formula code, first reformulation box and bottle design. Lasts for 10 hours and projects for 2 hours.
    62H301 (March 2011): They changed the batch code from 4 digits to 6 digits, the exact same juice as late 2010.
    62H805 (August 2011): Same.

    2012:
    62J604 (June 2012): More powdery, fresher, lighter juice color, a bit less performance.
    62J800 (August 2012): Same.

    2013:
    38KD01 (December 2013 [Edition Art]): Even lighter juice color, even more powdery and less cardamom, even less projection.

    2014:
    62L608 (June 2014): Same as December 2013.

    2015:
    38M207 (February 2015): Green, light juice, no performance however it still had the 8YB02-2 formula code...

    You can beleive me there is an enormous difference between late 2010 8YB02-2 and early 2015 8YB02-02!

    I would not buy any post 2012!
    Hard to know if a cap is metal or plastic on ebay. Where do you live that you’re able to smell all the batches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpp214 View Post
    La Nuit is the fragrance that got me started down this rabbit hole 10 years ago. It smelled so good back then that it blew my mind.

    Don't even bother trying to find pre-2011 bottles. You might find one but the seller will want $350 or more for it. Hell, there are sellers asking $200 or more for 2013 bottles which is a complete joke. True vintage bottles will have a 4 digit batch code on the bottom of the bottle btw. 2013 doesn't smell any better than what they're churning out now, so don't even worry about finding a vintage unless you're willing to pay an outrageous amount of money. Vintage bottles are much more potent than the current stuff. It was never beastly in terms of projection, but it was very good, and longevity was 10 hours or so for me. If you like the smell, the modern stuff is pretty much 80-90% similar just ridiculously weaker. So just buy that and overspray it. If you've never smelled the original version you won't be missing anything. I've tried the new stuff and I didn't want to keep it because it's lost what made it so special. I consider this one that is lost forever. Don't overpay on this one. Buy the newest bottle and get it as cheaply as you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    I can confirm what ZC hypothesized - original batches are definitely a bit fuller, denser, darker, and rounder in the finish - spicier too - most likely due to more oak moss in the formula. Newer stuff (I've smelled a 2016 and what I assume was a 2019 batch) is sweeter, lighter, and soapier.

    I can also confirm that older batches (I have a bottle of the original, 2009 formation) are not beastly performers. The projection/performance of this has been at best moderate and at worst, weak to moderate. This is probably the one scent out of my ~50 bottle collection that I overspray the most. Here is a "batch difference" guide I pulled off of Fragrantica. If you're trying to find a "vintage" batch cause you think it smells better or performs better, you're most likely gonna be disappointed IMO. Anyhow, if you still DO want to source one, the key to finding vintage, original batch stuff, is a metal cap...

    BATCHES AND REFORMULATIONS

    I am lucky enough to live in a place where I can find many pre-reformulation bottles of this, so I could test out ALL YEARS of La Nuit. Here you go:

    2009:
    9KAA: Of course very first formula, creamy, dark cardamom bomb, not that powdery, dark juice, metal-hollow cap. Performance is hard in the first 3 hours, lasts for 12+ hours.

    2010:
    0FAA: The exact same in every aspects as 2009.
    0LBA: They changed the metal hollow cap to a heavy plastic one, and the box as well. It has different formula code, so THE FIRST REFORMULATION HAPPENED IN LATE 2010! The scent itself is not as creamy, or dark. More on the fresh, and powdery side.

    2011:
    1BAA (February 2011): The exact same as late 2010. 8YB02-2 Formula code, first reformulation box and bottle design. Lasts for 10 hours and projects for 2 hours.
    62H301 (March 2011): They changed the batch code from 4 digits to 6 digits, the exact same juice as late 2010.
    62H805 (August 2011): Same.

    2012:
    62J604 (June 2012): More powdery, fresher, lighter juice color, a bit less performance.
    62J800 (August 2012): Same.

    2013:
    38KD01 (December 2013 [Edition Art]): Even lighter juice color, even more powdery and less cardamom, even less projection.

    2014:
    62L608 (June 2014): Same as December 2013.

    2015:
    38M207 (February 2015): Green, light juice, no performance however it still had the 8YB02-2 formula code...

    You can beleive me there is an enormous difference between late 2010 8YB02-2 and early 2015 8YB02-02!

    I would not buy any post 2012!
    Found a ‘2011’ preowned on ebay but batch 61HN01 but I dont see it in your post does it mean its fake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    I can confirm what ZC hypothesized - original batches are definitely a bit fuller, denser, darker, and rounder in the finish - spicier too - most likely due to more oak moss in the formula. Newer stuff (I've smelled a 2016 and what I assume was a 2019 batch) is sweeter, lighter, and soapier.

    I can also confirm that older batches (I have a bottle of the original, 2009 formation) are not beastly performers. The projection/performance of this has been at best moderate and at worst, weak to moderate. This is probably the one scent out of my ~50 bottle collection that I overspray the most. Here is a "batch difference" guide I pulled off of Fragrantica. If you're trying to find a "vintage" batch cause you think it smells better or performs better, you're most likely gonna be disappointed IMO. Anyhow, if you still DO want to source one, the key to finding vintage, original batch stuff, is a metal cap...

    BATCHES AND REFORMULATIONS

    I am lucky enough to live in a place where I can find many pre-reformulation bottles of this, so I could test out ALL YEARS of La Nuit. Here you go:

    2009:
    9KAA: Of course very first formula, creamy, dark cardamom bomb, not that powdery, dark juice, metal-hollow cap. Performance is hard in the first 3 hours, lasts for 12+ hours.

    2010:
    0FAA: The exact same in every aspects as 2009.
    0LBA: They changed the metal hollow cap to a heavy plastic one, and the box as well. It has different formula code, so THE FIRST REFORMULATION HAPPENED IN LATE 2010! The scent itself is not as creamy, or dark. More on the fresh, and powdery side.

    2011:
    1BAA (February 2011): The exact same as late 2010. 8YB02-2 Formula code, first reformulation box and bottle design. Lasts for 10 hours and projects for 2 hours.
    62H301 (March 2011): They changed the batch code from 4 digits to 6 digits, the exact same juice as late 2010.
    62H805 (August 2011): Same.

    2012:
    62J604 (June 2012): More powdery, fresher, lighter juice color, a bit less performance.
    62J800 (August 2012): Same.

    2013:
    38KD01 (December 2013 [Edition Art]): Even lighter juice color, even more powdery and less cardamom, even less projection.

    2014:
    62L608 (June 2014): Same as December 2013.

    2015:
    38M207 (February 2015): Green, light juice, no performance however it still had the 8YB02-2 formula code...

    You can beleive me there is an enormous difference between late 2010 8YB02-2 and early 2015 8YB02-02!

    I would not buy any post 2012!
    Thanks for this detailed response. I'll keep it in mind if I eventually plan to acquire a bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post
    Found a ‘2011’ preowned on ebay but batch 61HN01 but I dont see it in your post does it mean its fake?
    No, that batch # checks out as real, dated 11/2011. That list most likely does not include all of the batch numbers, just some randomly selected years to illustrate changes in numbering/packaging/possible formula changes.

    I would (and have) taken that list with a LARGE grain of salt - YMMV!! like I said in my first post I think that the differences in "vintage" batches are grossly overstated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Joe View Post
    No, that batch # checks out as real, dated 11/2011. That list most likely does not include all of the batch numbers, just some randomly selected years to illustrate changes in numbering/packaging/possible formula changes.

    I would (and have) taken that list with a LARGE grain of salt - YMMV!! like I said in my first post I think that the differences in "vintage" batches are grossly overstated.
    Thanks for the feedback. Do you guys use some site to check batched for production dates?

    Why is this scent so hyped up if projection and sillage suck ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtyivier2k2 View Post
    Why is this scent so hyped up if projection and sillage suck ass?
    The scent itself is great.

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    Part of the reason why its so hyped up is because a very well-known YouTube personality has hyped the shi*t out of it, putting it as his #1 all time most favorite fragrance, among other superlatives. It IS a very nice, comforting, crowd pleasing, female pleasing scent but nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary. Performance is subjective and for a date fragrance, you want one that makes the person you're dating want to get closer to you to smell you, not the other way around.
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    Depends on who you ask, but I'd say the hype told by the youtuber is a detriment to the scent. It is a very very good fragrance but, yes it's nothing groundbreaking.
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    I was reading that DUA Midnight Rendezvous was supposed to be DUA's attempt to recreate the 2010 batch of La Nuit De L'Homme. Has anyone smelled it?


    From their site,


    nspired By Yves Saint Laurent's La Nuit De L'Homme Vintage 2010 Version Batch # 0BAB

    After gaining mainstream popularity on social media, La Nuit de L'Homme diffused into a shadow of its former self only to disappoint ardent fans of the once long-lasting and seductive masterpiece designer fragrance. After many complaints of its lackluster performance, several companies have taken heed and have attempted to resurrect the projection beast with little luck. It's Dua's turn, and the secret is in sourcing the original formulation rather than increasing the concentration of the reformulated eau de toilette. It's obvious that the ingredients of the newest version have been manipulated to underperform, and this was well below our standards. After searching tirelessly, we secured a bottle of the famous 2010 batch. Premier factories around the world have provided us with the exact materials necessary to recreate the memory of the missed powerhouse version of La Nuit De L'Homme in the form that won our hearts in the first place. Midnight Rendezvous is our version, and it has the spiciness of the cardamom, the warmth of the cedar, and the strength of the vetiver. We are eager for you to compare the two for yourself!

    CLASSIFICATION: Woody Spicy

    NOTES: Cardamom, Bergamot, Lavender, Cedar, Cumin, and Vetiver.

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    I'll bet it smells as good as their 13ZZ. JUST like the famous Aventus batch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg3839 View Post
    I enjoy the earlier versions.
    I agree. The original 2009-10 was the best formulation and the one to own.
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    While not keeping track of the batches/versions/release years, did never get only mere skin scent projection or performance from this one, even in its current/post 2014 releases. Then again, it did not project in a best mode/overpowering/record longevity way either.

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    I remember it had a very high user rating on fragrantica at one time or another, but I may have just imagined it. I, too, bought it after almost every female fragrance YouTuber saying they loved the scent because I wanted to build my seduction genre in my wardrobe. To be honest, I’m a sucker for the idea of the OG and vintage hunting for fragrances that have a strong reputation/reformulation history. Plus I didn’t really find the current formulation that interesting for me. The OG smells like this rich dense pollen fragrance, and has a lovely dry down that I enjoy. The current formula is indeed less dense and maybe fruitier...however I don’t think this makes girls like it less as they still seem to like the reformulated scent. If I were you I would try to buy a sample of the OG to compare with the current formulation to see which one you prefer wearing better. Not everything is all about performance and longevity....you actually should enjoy the scent first and foremost.

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    Own the original, def a difference between newer versions. but performance on me was always weak or average on me depending on how many sprays i use (4+)

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    Having owned a 2010 version and now a 2018, I would rather spend less on the later version and use the extra funds elsewhere. The performance and scent is not astronomically different enough IMHO.
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    2011-2014 formulation is nearly the same as the original formulation, maybe 5-10% weaker.
    In 2015 there were 3 different formulations produced so you need to know which one is which.

    And not all batches from one formulation are the same!
    I've had a few bottles from Edition Art 2013 (transparent bottles with the black stripes) and the juice was really bad.
    Got a few of the Edition Collector 2014 (black bottles with the whites scratches) and these are amazing and on par with the original formulation.

    Don't care for the newer bottles. Every time I tested one since 2016 they just feeled bland and missing the magic. It's not only the bad performance.

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    Fragfrog. I am just amazed about your knowledge about reformulations. It is very interesting. I really like the Edition Collector bottle. I wish I had one, but I never saw one for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight99 View Post
    Fragfrog. I am just amazed about your knowledge about reformulations. It is very interesting. I really like the Edition Collector bottle. I wish I had one, but I never saw one for sale.
    Thank you very much for the kind words!
    The Collector's bottles were really limited and even when brand new, not many sellers had them in stock.
    I bought a few bottles of the Collector's when the "known as 2016 formulation" hit the stores because after testing I was sure that things won't get better.




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