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    Default Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    After I created a thread about the bestial character of Guerlain Jicky, I got many messages telling me that I would later change my mind and my verdict about it. Many folks said that it was just a matter of time. I tend to disagree with that view, because my reaction to Jicky was extremely strong. But I have to admit, it is a possibility.

    Whenever I happen to have a bad impression about a fragrance, I usually keep an open mind. Usually, I try it many times, before reaching a final judgement.

    BUT,

    Only once in my life I reversed my judgement about a perfume. It happened with Guerlain Heritage. I had a negative first impression about it, but I tried it later and it smelled good. Quite good to be honest. But this was the one and only case. An isolated event. A singularity. An exception to the rule.

    So, I ask you:

    How often did you change your mind about a perfume and Which perfumes did you reappraise? How exactly did you change your mind, was it just a wrong perception, or did you lear to like certain notes/accords? How often (%) do you try the perfume again and give it another shot?


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    My taste hasn't changed much in years, I still love leather hate sweeties and am open to every other genre but I've learned two things:

    As a lover of deep dark perfumes I know how wrong it is to judge a perfume based on it's top or a single light wearing, the beauty of my favorites usually lays in the depths and dark corners. Imagine judging a Zoologist or Frederic Malle by its opening!

    As for linear perfumes with loud openings, I've figured I shouldn't rush paying for them. The front line of houses like PdM or TF usually gets attention by their opening but it will bore me to hell to a point I won't be able to go through the bottle, while their less advertised ones like Italian Cypress or London fall into the previous deep category and will potencially get more beautiful each time you wear it.
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    I get sensitive to some ingredients, mostly modern-smelling "woods," and that can wipe out tens of fragrances that I might have otherwise, or previously, liked.

    On top of that, my ideas about perfume evolve. I have been liking older perfume. I think, almost fear, that I'll keep getting into older and older perfume.

    Some things are so complex and outside of my comfort zone, that I can love them eventually (not a lot - I'm thinking of natural perfumeries and/or non-IFRA, small-scale ones). I try not to make any big pronouncements about a perfume I feel like I'm not understanding, or that I suspect I might enjoy more given time.

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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Not all that often, but it does happen.
    I was given a tester of Bvlgari Black, and thought it was a nasty piece of work. I shoved it to the back of the shelf and forgot about it. About a year later I liked it, and wore it. It seemed to have improved, somehow. The rubber wasn't as harsh as I first had thought.
    It doesn't happen as much as it used to because I don't blind buy that much.

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    Quite often. Most of the fragrances I settled on started off as 'tepid likes' before appreciating things like wearability, versatility etc on subsequent wearings. Equally, many 'amazing' scents lacked those facets and so diminished in value to me.

    I would say I am constantly recalibrating what I think and feel about scents. The scope of change gets smaller over time but it doesn't mean that my views are static.

    In all honesty I think it takes months to really get to a solid, reliable opinion on many fragrances - particularly the more subtle or 'at first underwhelming' scents. Loads of fragrances you'll be able to roughly 'know' your opinion after the first few wears or tries, but for those that are 'nice, but...', I've found it takes a good while to really get a full grasp of them in any sort of reliable way.

    Having solid opinions on a fragrance and never changing seems odd to me. I
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    I rarely change my mind about fragrances from stuff that I don't like to stuff that I like. It's much more common for the reverse to happen--I'll like something for a while that I end up disliking after some time.

    There are two fragrances that I've done a 180 on, from disliking them to liking them:

    1) Egoiste: I thought this one was just gross the first few times I smelled it, way too strong and with too much going on for its own good, and I didn't like the rose note in it. That was about 10 years ago. 8 years later I smelled it again and loved it. Now it's one of my favorite orientals.

    2) Equipage: All I got the first time I tried this was "old man" overkill. While I still think it's definitely one of my more "mature" smelling fragrances, I really enjoy it now, and feel that it has a refined, accomplished, and relaxed quality.
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Never happened, quite the contrary!
    let me know when you decide to throw in the towel...

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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Very rarely do I change my opinion significantly, but it has happened a few times.


    Chanel - Bleu de Chanel - didn't care for it at all in the store one day when I tried it. But a few years later, I purchased a sample to give it another try. Loved it at first sniff, and went out and purchased a bottle that day.

    Donna Karan - Fuel for Men -- Was not very impressed on my 1st wearing of a blind-buy. But each wearing afterwards, I became more interested in it. Quite a bit more complex and interesting than I found it initially.

    A lot of amber-centric fragrance get worn much less them they used to, but I still enjoy them. I just have grown a little tired of some of them.
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post
    Very rarely do I change my opinion significantly, but it has happened a few times.


    Chanel - Bleu de Chanel - didn't care for it at all in the store one day when I tried it. But a few years later, I purchased a sample to give it another try. Loved it at first sniff, and went out and purchased a bottle that day.

    Donna Karan - Fuel for Men -- Was not very impressed on my 1st wearing of a blind-buy. But each wearing afterwards, I became more interested in it. Quite a bit more complex and interesting than I found it initially.

    A lot of amber-centric fragrance get worn much less them they used to, but I still enjoy them. I just have grown a little tired of some of them.
    Just curious, do you have Bleu EdP or Parfum?
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Quite often. Especially as my sense of smell becomes a little more discriminatory and “educated”.

    I hated Furyo but love it now for example. I find this is happening to me routinely.

    I don’t like modern very cheap or synthetic perfumes. I continue enjoying more natural ones, and older ones that contain a lot of naturals and ingredients like oak moss and nitro musks.

    I’m more and more open because what I hate today may be what I love tomorrow.
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrei Bolkonsky View Post
    So, I ask you:

    How often did you change your mind about a perfume
    About ones I've bought - never.
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    It depends: sometimes I gave a scent ****, that may become a *** or the other way around, but a * will always stay a *. Stinkers will never become beauties!

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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    Hasn't happened yet.
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    Did personally quite often reappraise judgement about fragrances, but remembering few examples worth keeping in mind as noteworthy, especially but not only as personal rating of quality of the very fragrances rejudged.

    Namely: Joop! Homme-in a good way, not anymore the linear sugary beast mode did remember, thus if reformulated some of the few examples when reformulations were actually even better or at least less negative.

    Also the vintage EDT Guerlain Heritage-first did perceive this as high quality but boring and unimpressive though quite formal and luxurious, needing the passing of time and a certain amount of re-testings to fully appreciate its quality, complexity and nuances.
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    I never used to appreciate Vetiver fragrances but know I love them!

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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    I change my opinion on maybe 5% of fragrances or less. Sometimes, you need a few wears to really understand it. And what they say is true: you can't judge it by just the opening. I've even realized that skin vs. paper is an immensely different experience. Some more challenging scents are like a work of art that you don't really understand at first. But after some time, it just makes sense. One fragrance that comes to mind is Tobacco Oud, which I was immediately repulsed by upon my first smelling. Now, I love it.

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    Not normally -- I usually trust my first impressions

    But there are two I can think of which I really like now but initially didn't (as my reviews show)

    Reflection Man and Orange Star

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    Broadly speaking the tendencies to what I like / dislike hasn’t changed. The extent to how much might change. My enjoyment of Viking has changed from mild to moderate to mild, but I still like it. My love of Bois du Portugal has always been enormous.



    Although not always the case, my theory is that many people tend to gradually move from less complex fragrances to more complex ones especially as they get older and not the other way around, but a change of what they truly like won’t change much over their lifetime (but this is probably another whole thread topic!).

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    My biggest turnaround was about aquatics and blue scents. Before, I considered them sub par and wouldn't get near them. I started appreciating them gradually and started craving the freshness. I now have many. This includes modern 'blue' and combination scents too. So Nautica Voyage, Dylan Blue, Aqua di Gio, etc. would have been out of the question before but now I enjoy them.

    Another big thing for me was the fig note that was uncomfortable and piercing to my sinuses. I am now the happy owner of Philosykos.

    Otherwise, I keep an open mind. For example, Jicky, the subject of this and the other thread. I may not be able to wear animalics or barnyard ouds and I don't think I can pull off heavy feminine florals, etc. but I certainly appreciate and respect them. Except ambergris! I do appreciate the various facets of ambergris including the slightly animalic. I own and love Guerlain Ambre Eternel.
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    Not a scent but a category. Leather. Tried the Dior Leather cologne. And a couple others. No go for me

    Fast forward a couple of years to this past fall. Histories de Parfum 1740 Marquis de Sade. Fully adore this one

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    This doesn't happen too much any more, but it certainly did when I was first getting into fragrances. One that stands out in my memory is Black Aoud. I had not been exposed to oud as a note when I first tried this. I remember thinking how awful it smelled when I first applied it, sort of like bug spray and band aids. As the hours wore on, I started to sort of like it, and in the drydown 10 hours later, I was hooked. It got better with each wearing.

    I don't think the reverse has ever happened. If anything, I just get bored of some fragrances and stop wearing them.

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    Quite a few for me, particularly, in the earlier phases of getting into fragrances. These include:

    Aventus - "Pineapple? Who am I? Carmen Miranda?"

    GIT - "I don't want to be reminded of mowing the lawn in high school."

    Oud Wood Intense - "I smell like some combination of a fur trapper and a leather daddy."

    I love the former two now and am really starting to dig the latter. Also, fougeres smelled really stiff and uptight to me for the longest time. Now I'm finding them to have a more rugged and cavalier connotation to my nose.
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    A lot for me. Partly because I have a tough time with the little sample vials.
    Also, I sometimes think when I go on a sampling/buying "binge" I sort of wear out my nose and very little gets through.

    Three notable favorites in my collection:

    GUERLAIN VETIVER- Found this way too light in first experiences and it pissed me off. Now love it like no other vetiver.

    CREED ROYAL OUD- When if first came out, got a small sample and quickly dismissed. Later took a blind leap and love this stuff.

    CARON LE 3e HOMME- Had a bottle and sold it. What was I thinking? Lately, this one has become a near obsession! I love this scent.

    I know I've flipped a lot, so I'm careful with espousing dislike of a scent too soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renaissance_Man View Post
    My biggest turnaround was about aquatics and blue scents. Before, I considered them sub par and wouldn't get near them. I started appreciating them gradually and started craving the freshness. I now have many. This includes modern 'blue' and combination scents too. So Nautica Voyage, Dylan Blue, Aqua di Gio, etc. would have been out of the question before but now I enjoy them.

    Another big thing for me was the fig note that was uncomfortable and piercing to my sinuses. I am now the happy owner of Philosykos.

    Otherwise, I keep an open mind. For example, Jicky, the subject of this and the other thread. I may not be able to wear animalics or barnyard ouds and I don't think I can pull off heavy feminine florals, etc. but I certainly appreciate and respect them. Except ambergris! I do appreciate the various facets of ambergris including the slightly animalic. I own and love Guerlain Ambre Eternel.
    Had a fairly similar experience with quite a few fragrances comparable, even similar not just as outer appearance/liquid color, but also as fragrance style-including but not limited to Hugh Parsons Blue, l'Erbolario Periplo, Wild Wind by Gabriela Sabatini, Rochas Aquaman, Horizon by Guy Laroche, Boss Elements Aua, Carlo Colucci Uomo Mare, to name only a few.

    All of these going against most prejudice (s) had towards this kind of scents and closer to unexpectedly good personal experiences.

    If speaking about the entirely different categories of the few, almost nonexistent ambers was reluctant about/though (unlike aquatics and/or blue scents) was already a long term amber fan already, perhaps: Zara Ambre Noble, Christian Lacroix Ambre for Him, Al Aneeq Amber River, Yves Rocher Ambre Noir, Intesa Ambra d'Arabia.

    Again to name only a few without any particular order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renaissance_Man View Post
    My biggest turnaround was about aquatics and blue scents. Before, I considered them sub par and wouldn't get near them.
    Same for me. Last summer, with a decant of Sel Marin, I started reassessing the entire genre. Now, I'm actively searching for more quality aquatic/marine scents. If you'd told me three years ago I'd be doing that, I'd have called you crazy.

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    ChuckW and I have had an interesting relationship with Bleue de Chanel. Purchased and sold off many times. However, I currently own the EDP and Parfum. I'd like to know my friend's current views on this one. Mine in particular alter, but I suppose I'll keep these two for better or worse and just wear them if the mood strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougczar View Post
    Donna Karan - Fuel for Men -- Was not very impressed on my 1st wearing of a blind-buy. But each wearing afterwards, I became more interested in it. Quite a bit more complex and interesting than I found it initially.
    Love this stuff.

    For me, it would have to be Creed Tabarome. So much ginger. So little tobacco. Ugh. Hate on first sniff.

    Now? I've kept a bottle ever since. It fits a particular mood and I find it comforting.
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    Default Re: Reversals of Judgement: Reappraising your verdicts

    I feel like I’ve been told that I’d change my mind on PdM Kalan, but I slapped it on my 14 yr old son the other day for another test....and let’s just say, I didn’t hang with him the rest is the day. Can’t stand it for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
    Love this stuff.

    For me, it would have to be Creed Tabarome. So much ginger. So little tobacco. Ugh. Hate on first sniff.

    Now? I've kept a bottle ever since. It fits a particular mood and I find it comforting.
    Same for me with Tabarome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buysblind View Post
    1) Egoiste: I thought this one was just gross the first few times I smelled it, way too strong and with too much going on for its own good, and I didn't like the rose note in it. That was about 10 years ago. 8 years later I smelled it again and loved it. Now it's one of my favorite orientals.
    This was also the biggest fragrance 180 in my life too. Got a 5ml vintage sample from a fellow BNer and was not a big fan. It was OK but there was too much going on and too much cinnamon for me to ever reach for it after those first couple of sample sprays. Fast forward 6 months or so and when I tried it again, I fell in love with it - now one of my most worn and couldn't imagine my collection without it.




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