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    Default Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    Hello BN communiy!

    I landed on this interesting article written by Claure Vukcevic I found it quite insightfull and even helpfull. Obviously we should not limit (we=the frag enthousiast/beginners) ourselves to thoses recommendation, but they're a nice guidelines.

    What would be your guidelines regarding on frag everyone should sample to help them get an idea (adding categories?)

    Here is the list mentionned:

    1,Air du désert Marocain to guide with ambre/resins scents
    2,Musc ravageur for "creamy oriental" with good dose of vanilla and musk
    3,Timbuktu for smoky/dry woody frag
    4,Chergui to help out figuring out what kind of tonka and tobacco scent one might like
    5,Le Labo Patchoui 24 big smoky scent
    6,Black aoud for rose aoud feel
    7,Absolu le soir by MFK for animalics
    8,Avignon - Comme des Garcons for Incense
    9,Onda Voila d'extrait for calibrating scents (?)
    10,Knize ten by Knize for leather scents

    http://www.basenotes.net/features/32...-sample/view/1

    I've already a sample waiting of LADDM (i can't smell it because of bad nose due to allergies...) and have knize ten and Black aoud in my shopping sample list.
    what would be you picks.
    Again, doesn't have to be "the best" but more, the more representative or the best to guide oneself

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    That's a great list but there's almost a theme (heavy, dark incense) in there I'd try more genres to get an idea of what notes I enjoy the most.

    Try Superstitious for aldehydes
    1740 for boozy and leather
    New York Intense for citrus
    French Lover for dry woody
    Oud Minerale for minerals and aquatics

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackaroma View Post
    That's a great list but there's almost a theme (heavy, dark incense) in there I'd try more genres to get an idea of what notes I enjoy the most.

    Try Superstitious for aldehydes
    1740 for boozy and leather
    New York Intense for citrus
    French Lover for dry woody
    Oud Minerale for minerals and aquatics
    Yes, I wanted to write that It's a good guide but there are some themes missing (I'd say mainly florals and aquatic/citruses)
    She suggests like you to try 1740 after trying Knize ten's, for something richer, a more intense Leather

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    I have to say, when I think of trying niche I first of all think of sampling by house. Not to say that other ways aren't enjoyable either; but, that's just how I think. That way, you can get an idea of house style in all senses. I wonder how much sense it makes to find a single scent that is representative of a niche take on a genre (if you see what I mean).

    So some obvious starters for niche houses would be:

    The private line of Tom Ford
    Creed
    Amouage
    Nicolai
    Histoires de Parfums
    ELDO

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    Default Re: Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    Like you said, those are just guidelines, as the fragrance spectrum is huge as well as the options available.
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    Regardless of what I personally think of them, the following are all "reference" fragrances for contemporary genres/subgenres:

    Amouage Interlude Man
    Serge Lutens Chergui
    Tom Ford Tuscan Leather

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    I can't see Vetivers mentioned anywhere
    Here are three examples of 'niche' versions coming at the note from different angles

    Route du Vetiver - MPG
    Le Vetyver - Lubin
    Sel de Vetiver - The Different Compnay

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    Black aoud for rose aoud feel is pretty representative IMO.
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    Ombre Leather
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    Bois 1920 oro for Leather scent. Most refined without deviating from main theme.
    M by puredistance and cuir ottoman by parfums dempire leather spicy smoky.
    Musc ravageur and war and peace for musc.

    Beau de jour, regio, bois du portugal, eucris for green aromatic masculines.

    Roja dove aoud is for really nice oud and rose representation, ceylon by xerjoff for honey tea oud, check whole oud line by xerjoff.

    L'eau by tauer, acqua celestia by mfk, mefisto by xerjoff and nuit de bakelite for fresh summer colognes

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    Default Re: Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    I'm biased towards it as it is my favorite fragrance, but Bogue's MEM strikes me as a particular standout. But one could just as easily choose MAII.

    I'm not quite sure which one, but I think Atelier Cologne belongs on this list somewhere. Yes, they have their downsides, but they're a pretty distinct house that does one thing particularly well.

    Slumberhouse also belongs, but again I'm unsure of which one to single out. Same with Imaginary Authors, January Scent Project, and Providence Perfume Co.

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    Default Re: Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    Very good list. So much more to choose from. The list seems to be geared more towards warm/dark perfumes. Just to add something less dark:
    Parfums de Nicolai New York Intense (citrus woods)
    Malle Vetiver extraordinaire (or other vetivers as per previous email)
    The Zoo Community (aquatics)
    Amouage Gold man (florals. not exactly fresh, though-for a fresh floral Malle Eau de Magnolia)

    cacio

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    Yes, probably that list could do with an update, and as people have mentioned, it is far from comprehensive.

    What could be a really cool idea is if Grant crowd sources a new Top Ten list from within the Basenotes community (as a sort of 'project') and then issues a 2020/2021 edition. I'm sure that someone who's really good at organizing could volunteer to run such a project - and how cool would that be, having a list crowd sourced by Basenotes members themselves?

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    I think we can all agree Tobacco Vanille is a right of passage into the gateway of great tobacco fragrances. I really feel like Tom Ford’s private line is the jumping point for most niche lovers tobacco love affair. Sadly I didn’t like Tobacco Vanille but it was the first scent I tried that smelled like tobacco.

    Chergui is on my list to try though.

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    Default Re: Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireV View Post
    Yes, probably that list could do with an update, and as people have mentioned, it is far from comprehensive.

    What could be a really cool idea is if Grant crowd sources a new Top Ten list from within the Basenotes community (as a sort of 'project') and then issues a 2020/2021 edition. I'm sure that someone who's really good at organizing could volunteer to run such a project - and how cool would that be, having a list crowd sourced by Basenotes members themselves?

    I volunteer to stand in the corner of the ring with a huge whip to help 'mediate' any fist fights and squabbling

    Good idea. You know what might be even more fun? If it was a bracket-style competition, like March Madness, with successive pairs of fragrances battling it out for the top slot, winners determined by voting poll. Then the final 10 frags still standing could comprise the final list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Good idea. You know what might be even more fun? If it was a bracket-style competition, like March Madness, with successive pairs of fragrances battling it out for the top slot, winners determined by voting poll. Then the final 10 frags still standing could comprise the final list.
    You are smelling the blood in the water already, Cook.bot, I love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireV View Post
    You are smelling the blood in the water already, Cook.bot, I love it
    I’m super into updating that list. It was a huge gateway for me getting into this hobby more deeply. I came to basenotes because of Claire! You’re amazing, Claire!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proust_Madeleine View Post
    I’m super into updating that list. It was a huge gateway for me getting into this hobby more deeply. I came to basenotes because of Claire! You’re amazing, Claire!
    Shhhh....people will start figuring out that I'm paying you, Proust_Madeleine, sheesh, tone it down No, but seriously, this list, while really fun to put together at the time, is looking a bit 2016. How about you guys add ten more perfumes to the list, fleshing it out with the whole categories I left out (like, uh, florals, aquatics, citrus, etc.), and publish it as a whole new article named "The Top Twenty Niche Every Beginner Should Sample"? If I were just getting into perfume, I'd really appreciate having a reference list that evolves with the times, expanding and contracting every few years to take in and spit out the most significant or genre-defining perfumes as they emerge. Otherwise, the list risks getting stale to the point of being static and non-relevant.

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    Well I'm glad I brought up the subject and am very curious to see what the BN community will come out with in that regard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Good idea. You know what might be even more fun? If it was a bracket-style competition, like March Madness, with successive pairs of fragrances battling it out for the top slot, winners determined by voting poll. Then the final 10 frags still standing could comprise the final list.
    Yess!! The 13 Basenotean Gateways Into Niche, choosing one for each category, but first we need to vote for what categories...

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    Very good niche sampling lineup indeed and very little to be added in completion to these.

    In addition to such diverse and skillfully chosen selection, might perhaps also recommend, consider and add Bracken, Fougere Royale, anything from the ADP Colonia and/or Collezione Barbiere line (s) for classic barbershop style, Knize Forest for exploring earthy/mossy aspects of niche, Hugh Parsons for smart casual fresh nearly sporty choices and several Frederic Malle, particularly French Lover, Portrait of a Lady and Geranium pour Monsieur, a few of the Memo Paris ouds for a niche balance between the more exotic and more mainstream aspects of oud.

    Not all of these are necessarily beginner scent options, yet most can provide a combination of well crafted notes and good performance to be appropriate for anyone newer to niche as well as with increasing experience.
    Currently wearing: Marbert Homme by Marbert

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    That's a great list to kick off . . . and some other good suggestions.

    I guess if I was sitting someone down to 'experience' what's out there I'd pull out (not necessarily in this order):

    LADDM
    Feminité du Bois
    Arabie
    Chergui
    Daim Blond
    Eau Lente
    Chypre Palatin
    1740 (de Sade)
    L'Eau d'Hiver
    Onda
    Vetiver Tonka
    Osmanthe Yunnan
    Memoir Man
    Lyric Woman
    New York (original)
    Sacrébleu (original)
    Fou d'Absinthe (my first niche purchase)
    Seville a l'Aube
    Santal Noble
    Balsamico della Mecca
    Cuir d'Oranger
    Nostalgia
    + some Slumberhouse & Pekji stuff
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    Creed Green Irish Tweed is a must sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Cuir d'Oranger
    Now this doesn't get mentioned nearly enough. I thought it had been discontinued -- I hope not.

    I think Luca Turin stated that the thought of a hanging cowhide mixed with orange was very weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Good idea. You know what might be even more fun? If it was a bracket-style competition, like March Madness, with successive pairs of fragrances battling it out for the top slot, winners determined by voting poll. Then the final 10 frags still standing could comprise the final list.
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    Default Re: Top niche every beginner should sample (follow up)

    I would put these on the list:

    Armani Privé Oud Royal
    Amouage Lyric Man
    Amouage Myths Man
    Amouage Ubar
    Songe d'un Bois d'Eté
    SHL Taklamakan
    BK Sweet Redemption
    Creed GIT
    Grossmith Shem-el-Nessim
    Grossmith Hasu-no-Hana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Good idea. You know what might be even more fun? If it was a bracket-style competition, like March Madness, with successive pairs of fragrances battling it out for the top slot, winners determined by voting poll. Then the final 10 frags still standing could comprise the final list.
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireV View Post
    You are smelling the blood in the water already, Cook.bot, I love it
    Claire, if we could get some folks to organize the voting and pollling, would you be willing to write the additions to the original list and article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaern View Post
    Now this doesn't get mentioned nearly enough. I thought it had been discontinued -- I hope not.

    I think Luca Turin stated that the thought of a hanging cowhide mixed with orange was very weird
    I believe Cuir d'Oranger was discontinued a few years back. I have a bottle tucked away, finished my first one. It's quite unique - refreshing citrus leather - it just works I spoke to a lady at the company back whenever who said that if I really wanted some they could make me a batch - the price was not outrageous - but I never followed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    I believe Cuir d'Oranger was discontinued a few years back. I have a bottle tucked away, finished my first one. It's quite unique - refreshing citrus leather - it just works I spoke to a lady at the company back whenever who said that if I really wanted some they could make me a batch - the price was not outrageous - but I never followed up.
    Ok, that's interesting -- I'll look into that, thanks

    It was one of the few bottles I remember finishing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Claire, if we could get some folks to organize the voting and pollling, would you be willing to write the additions to the original list and article?
    Hi Cook.bot, I have neither the moxie nor the bandwidth these days, I'm afraid! I think someone like Zealot Crusader would be the perfect person to write up the ten additional sections, as he has an excellent grasp on where a perfume fits into the overall context of a genre - kind of like Luca Turin actually. If you agreed to organize the polling and the crowdsourcing and he agreed to handle the write-ups, I think it could be a great boost for BN to re-issue the article as the new and expanded 'Top 20 Niche perfumes every beginner should sample' 2020 edition.




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