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    Default To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    Auphorie got their new release. It is attar, seems with all naturals, even musk and Ambergris, which they never do. It has Kyara as well. Price at $400.

    Do you think they will have a good success with these notes and overall feel of the attar? Will it be heavy or not based on notes?

    Finally, do you find $400 justified for attar, or its a bit too much?

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    In my opinion, $400 for any fragrance is ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mak-7 View Post
    Finally, do you find $400 justified for attar, or its a bit too much?
    If you want it badly enough, no price is too much.
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    Default Re: To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mak-7 View Post
    Auphorie got their new release. It is attar, seems with all naturals, even musk and Ambergris, which they never do. It has Kyara as well. Price at $400.

    Do you think they will have a good success with these notes and overall feel of the attar? Will it be heavy or not based on notes?

    Finally, do you find $400 justified for attar, or its a bit too much?
    Is it 3ml? I would skip it and get something from Rising Phoenix or Sultan Pasha instead.

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    Truly good oud oils do cost $400+ per 3 ml. Still, not something I'd want to buy blindly.
    They did osmanthus very well in Miyako

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    It is 3ml. I tried kyara only once in di sers composition and wasnt impressed.
    Generally i like this house, but think they might be overcharging. Not knowing proportions and it being blind buy, makes me uncomfortable.
    But as cacio mentioned, they did osmanthus really nicely in miyako.

    Really tough decision.

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    Default To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    Those are Ensar prices. Ask yourself, does Auphorie warrant Ensar prices or would you just be better off buying an Ensar attar / pure oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mak-7 View Post
    It is 3ml. I tried kyara only once in di sers composition and wasnt impressed.
    Generally i like this house, but think they might be overcharging. Not knowing proportions and it being blind buy, makes me uncomfortable.
    But as cacio mentioned, they did osmanthus really nicely in miyako.

    Really tough decision.
    From what I heard of others regarding Auphorie, the entire house is overpriced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oudaddict View Post
    From what I heard of others regarding Auphorie, the entire house is overpriced.
    They started out pricing their bottles iirc at $98. Then it went up to $138. Then $178. Ryukyu is $228. And now let’s go for broke and charge $398. It’s pretty obvious they are once again trying to angle themselves up for another ‘promotion’, clearly learning quickly from all the FOMO surrounding limited editions /single batch productions from hot artisanal brands. They had experimented with their one-time only Impromptu series and going by their latest marketing copy, seems desperate to acquire that ‘rare unicorn’ status. Beating over our heads with ‘once sold out will be vaulted’ and expect us to simply take their words over proprietary oils and custom-distillation processes. So they are now artisanal distillers too, huh? I find these such a big turn off even if the composition is something I might enjoy. And if one doesn’t know what kyara smells like, one wouldn’t even know what to look for.

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    Interestingly however the FOMO hype title-holder ALD has been trying out ways to make their products relatively more affordable and accessible to more fans. That’s why I have nothing but respect for Russian Adam and the way he runs his outfit. Can’t say the same about the Au brothers though. Would much rather spend the $398 on a Sultan Pasha attar or an Ensar oud.

    /end rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    If you want it badly enough, no price is too much.
    I also feel this way.

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    Default Re: To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    Many of these artisanal brands' pricing has gotten greedy, fueled by reviewed hype on Youtube and other platforms and a culture of fear of missing out. 99% of the stuff I've tried comes nowhere close to the best vintage and niche, which are far more reasonably priced.
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    Without having smelled it? No.

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    Did I understand 400 for 3ml? Well if this is pocket money for you why not but otherwise no.

    I had been wondering if my out of character vintage spree had been ill-advised but I feel far less guilty now.

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    Default Re: To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    It is really up to your budget an desire to have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    They started out pricing their bottles iirc at $98. Then it went up to $138. Then $178. Ryukyu is $228. And now let’s go for broke and charge $398. It’s pretty obvious they are once again trying to angle themselves up for another ‘promotion’, clearly learning quickly from all the FOMO surrounding limited editions /single batch productions from hot artisanal brands.
    It's sad to see the Au brothers taking this exploitative route. When Luca Turin first went gaga over Miyako, I bought it plus samples of all their first four scents, the whole kit for only ~$100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scents And Sense View Post
    In my opinion, $400 for any fragrance is ludicrous.
    Ditto. I have a hard enough time rationalizing $200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scents And Sense View Post
    In my opinion, $400 for any fragrance is ludicrous.
    Quote Originally Posted by HouseOfPhlegethon View Post
    Ditto. I have a hard enough time rationalizing $200.
    And it’s not even for a full bottle - it’s $400 for 3ml.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    When Luca Turin first went gaga over Miyako, I bought it plus samples of all their first four scents, the whole kit for only ~$100.
    Smart move.

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    I think perfumers have a right to charge whatever they want to charge. I fully support this. If it is infact true Kyara and you’re someone who loves Kyara and are willing to pay for an Attar that has that as a note go for it! It makes more sense to wear Kyara neat since it’s such an impressively rare oil but if what they say is true I don’t see any reason why $400 is too much.

    Rising Phoenix did a blue lotus kyra oil that went for around a grand for a single gram of oil. It is what it is.

    Would I buy it? Probably not but I’d never criticize a perfumer for pricing something they feel is worth what they’re charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freewheelingvagabond View Post
    Many of these artisanal brands' pricing has gotten greedy, fueled by reviewed hype on Youtube and other platforms and a culture of fear of missing out. 99% of the stuff I've tried comes nowhere close to the best vintage and niche, which are far more reasonably priced.
    Could you give an example of all the greedy artisinal houses that fuel hype and YouTube reviewers? I’m curious to know which ones are doing this.

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    How far would 3ml go in something like this? Like how many wears could/would you get out of it? I’m not interested in purchasing it personally but just wondering, out of intellectual curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wingie View Post
    How far would 3ml go in something like this? Like how many wears could/would you get out of it? I’m not interested in purchasing it personally but just wondering, out of intellectual curiosity.
    With Attars you only need a small drop or two at most to get the same effect as several sprays of wearing a typical EDT. Since Attars are raw, undiluted materials they often sit close to the skin but have excellent tenacity for a short while but will last anywhere from 8-12 hours depending on the materials used.

    A 2.5gram Attar has about 87 large drops or swipes in it. So 3ml or grams would have around 120 wearings or so if you conserved it a bit. You could probably get 150-180 wearings out of an oil like this if you went really light and conserved it for special occasions.

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    This price is to much inho. There are a lot of good fragrance in less price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    They started out pricing their bottles iirc at $98. Then it went up to $138. Then $178. Ryukyu is $228. And now let’s go for broke and charge $398. It’s pretty obvious they are once again trying to angle themselves up for another ‘promotion’, clearly learning quickly from all the FOMO surrounding limited editions /single batch productions from hot artisanal brands. They had experimented with their one-time only Impromptu series and going by their latest marketing copy, seems desperate to acquire that ‘rare unicorn’ status. Beating over our heads with ‘once sold out will be vaulted’ and expect us to simply take their words over proprietary oils and custom-distillation processes. So they are now artisanal distillers too, huh? I find these such a big turn off even if the composition is something I might enjoy. And if one doesn’t know what kyara smells like, one wouldn’t even know what to look for.

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    Interestingly however the FOMO hype title-holder ALD has been trying out ways to make their products relatively more affordable and accessible to more fans. That’s why I have nothing but respect for Russian Adam and the way he runs his outfit. Can’t say the same about the Au brothers though. Would much rather spend the $398 on a Sultan Pasha attar or an Ensar oud.

    /end rant.
    I agree. Areej le Dore tries to fight their scalpers because they don't make any of that secondhand profit and just want to get their perfumes out there, but between superfans and opportunists, it's a losing battle. Reason #1 why I don't try to test more. Instant unobtanium, even the sample sizes. Bortnikoff to a lesser extent, you can still nab his stuff for a teeny bit after day 1, but not much more.

    Auphorie on the other hand, they embrace the grifters with open arms by the looks of things, which is completely disgusting. I already wasn't a fan of most compositions I tried. This just sealed me out from ever wanting to review more. Feeding a culture of panic in the FragComm to exploit for profit is gross. Say what you will about the pricing of brands like Clive Christian, but at least availability is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    They started out pricing their bottles iirc at $98. Then it went up to $138. Then $178. Ryukyu is $228. And now let’s go for broke and charge $398. It’s pretty obvious they are once again trying to angle themselves up for another ‘promotion’, clearly learning quickly from all the FOMO surrounding limited editions /single batch productions from hot artisanal brands. They had experimented with their one-time only Impromptu series and going by their latest marketing copy, seems desperate to acquire that ‘rare unicorn’ status. Beating over our heads with ‘once sold out will be vaulted’ and expect us to simply take their words over proprietary oils and custom-distillation processes. So they are now artisanal distillers too, huh? I find these such a big turn off even if the composition is something I might enjoy. And if one doesn’t know what kyara smells like, one wouldn’t even know what to look for.

    0DB37029-D019-48A6-8C31-9475FD221593.jpg
    Interestingly however the FOMO hype title-holder ALD has been trying out ways to make their products relatively more affordable and accessible to more fans. That’s why I have nothing but respect for Russian Adam and the way he runs his outfit. Can’t say the same about the Au brothers though. Would much rather spend the $398 on a Sultan Pasha attar or an Ensar oud.

    /end rant.
    Miyako is now $258 for a 40ml bottle @ $6.45/ml, compared to their previous pricing of $178 for the 30ml bottle @$5.93/ml. That is almost a 10% increment there, and they did it in just a short period of time. Surprised that it is still sold out despite the rapid price hike.

    No doubt that they produce some good fragrances, but it would seem that the little fame they received from LT's review has got to their heads.

    Not to mention they are shipping internationally but refused to deliver to local destinations, despite that local mailing services have since resumed after the lock down in Malaysia has been eased. They did not even bother to reply when contacted about this matter.

    Not looking too good there with how they carry themselves recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.zheyii View Post
    Miyako is now $258 for a 40ml bottle @ $6.45/ml, compared to their previous pricing of $178 for the 30ml bottle @$5.93/ml. That is almost a 10% increment there, and they did it in just a short period of time. Surprised that it is still sold out despite the rapid price hike.

    No doubt that they produce some good fragrances, but it would seem that the little fame they received from LT's review has got to their heads.

    Not to mention they are shipping internationally but refused to deliver to local destinations, despite that local mailing services have since resumed after the lock down in Malaysia has been eased. They did not even bother to reply when contacted about this matter.

    Not looking too good there with how they carry themselves recently.
    I remember when Miyako was sold for $110!!

    However, keep in mind that it is in pure parfum concentration. A pure parfum sold in such a big bottle at such a price is actually a bargain compared to its competitors. Chanel's Exclusif's parfums go for $240 for an 1/2 oz. Guerlain's go for $350 for 1 oz. Furthermore, it hasn't been reformulated like almost every fragrance.
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    Default Re: To spend or not to spend? That is the question!

    Decided not to go for it. To be fair, Auphorie is a great house, miyako, binturong, Oublee de dunhuang, bingmayong, were just excellent, i wish i was a bit wiser when they were around, as i do miss some earlier releases. Maybe one day i will come across red crown and eternal voyage, but thats very unlikely. And for 150,price was just right. I wish i saw them at 138, but thats another story. What i dont get, is why they vault them? They are using "vegan media" to compose those, so they are re-createable.

    For just 3 ml attar it is out of my range i have to confess, especially when there is Adam with 6th collection, and Dixit will release soon as well.
    If it was like their Maharaja collection for 300 at 30 ml, i would pay it. I do get about 120 sprays out of 10 ml, so thats 360 out of bottle, which is twice as much than attar, and it would have projection.

    Thank you everyone for input

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    Too much for the quantity given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hednic View Post
    If you want it badly enough, no price is too much.
    Basically this providing of course its affordable to you and you don’t feel you’re being ripped somehow.




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