Code of Conduct
Results 1 to 26 of 26
  1. #1

    Default Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    This showed up in my newsfeed today. A recreation of a 19th century perfume uncovered from a shipwreck off the coast of Bermuda.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/article...-mary-celestia

    Happy Tuesday everyone.
    Chypreish”:
    /ˈSHēpRAiSH/
    adjective
    (of a person or expression) to be desirous of an abundance of chypre.
    "Today, she was feeling chypreish”
    Currently wearing: Eau Illuminée by Delrae

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    22,329

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Thanks! Interesting. Now, citrus surviving from the mid 1800s has me a little skeptical, but who knows.

    cacio

  3. #3
    hednic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Reside in McLean, Va., Manhattan NYC, Manuel Antonio Costa Rica & Búzios Brasil
    Posts
    316,617

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
    Remember that while it is perfectly acceptable to criticize the content of a post - criticizing the poster is not.
    Mean spirited, nasty, snide, sarcastic, hateful, and rude individuals on Basenotes don't warrant or deserve my or other Basenoters' acknowledgement or respect.

  4. #4
    Basenotes Plus

    Cook.bot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Sequestration
    Posts
    6,891

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    An interesting saga for sure, but I thought the most intriguing part was the vintage advert for Piesse & Lubin, bragging about their synthetic scents, "a triumph of the science of the Parfumeur-Chimiste over Nature".

  5. #5

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    some years back they recreated from fragrances found on the Titanic. There was a perfumer who was on it and they used his formulas
    DONNA
    Currently wearing: Pour Un Homme by Caron

  6. #6
    Super Member ThVH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Hamburg, Europe
    Posts
    206

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume


  7. #7
    Super Member Mak-7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    303

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    " people dont gather and use ambergris today" yeah right

    Interesting read, thanks.

  8. #8
    Super Member Scents And Sense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    248

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Cool article! Thanks for sharing!
    Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica
    Currently wearing: Knowing by Estée Lauder

  9. #9
    Super Member Scents And Sense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    248

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    An interesting saga for sure, but I thought the most intriguing part was the vintage advert for Piesse & Lubin, bragging about their synthetic scents, "a triumph of the science of the Parfumeur-Chimiste over Nature".
    And now it's the opposite!

    Brands shy away from telling that they use synthetics; they would recoil at the thought of advertising about them in their perfumes! Most consumers also think that naturals are much better than synthetics and would never buy any fragrance that advertises otherwise.
    Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica
    Currently wearing: Knowing by Estée Lauder

  10. #10

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Thank you for sharing. Was always fascinated about fragrance houses able to recreate historical scents.

  11. #11
    Basenotes Institution
    CapriDog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Saigon, Vietnam
    Posts
    14,147

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Thanks for sharing, Lellabelle. Interesting read.

  12. #12

    Oviatt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Los Angeles and New York City
    Posts
    5,309

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Really interesting--thank you. It reminds me of how J. Peterman recreated a fragrance using gas chromatography (resulting in a very nice scent). One wonders what the other bottle might have yielded, had it not been damaged by seawater.
    Very clearly a case for corn flakes and classics

  13. #13
    Basenotes Plus

    Cook.bot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Sequestration
    Posts
    6,891

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by Oviatt View Post
    It reminds me of how J. Peterman recreated a fragrance using gas chromatography (resulting in a very nice scent).
    For real, or just on a Seinfeld episode?

  14. #14

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Incredible that one of the bottles was still intact and still smelled good after that much time underwater! I wonder how much the topnotes faded, and how much that affected the reproduction effort? Like, did they try to re-create what they guessed the smell was as originally bottled, or exactly what they smelled in the present?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    An interesting saga for sure, but I thought the most intriguing part was the vintage advert for Piesse & Lubin, bragging about their synthetic scents, "a triumph of the science of the Parfumeur-Chimiste over Nature".
    I love how direct many old ads are, too.

    "A NOVELTY!"
    "It's not what you look like when you're doing what you're doing; it's what you're doing when you're doing what you look like you're doing."
    Currently wearing: Yatagan by Caron

  15. #15

    Oviatt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Los Angeles and New York City
    Posts
    5,309

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    I have never seen Seinfeld so can't be sure about that but it is real and I have smelled it: https://www.jpeterman.com/category/1...903-collection


    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    For real, or just on a Seinfeld episode?
    Very clearly a case for corn flakes and classics

  16. #16
    Basenotes Plus

    Cook.bot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Sequestration
    Posts
    6,891

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by Oviatt View Post
    I have never seen Seinfeld so can't be sure about that but it is real and I have smelled it: https://www.jpeterman.com/category/1...903-collection
    I was just joshing you. J. Peterman and his famous catalog were satirized in a long-running character on the Seinfeld show.

  17. #17
    I’m not old: I’m vintage.
    PStoller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,408

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    I may to have to try Mary Celestia, given that rescuing scents from a century or more ago is what Barry Gibson's Crown Perfumery reboot was all about. And of course, I still have one from roughly 100 years ago that I have to identify—and perhaps have analyzed (if not recreated) in the manner of Mary Celestia.
    Currently wearing: JHL by Aramis

  18. #18
    Dependent RedRaider430's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    6,686

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    I bought a bottle of Mary Celestia a few years ago. I was on the fence about buying a bottle, but Ramsay-Brackstone at Lili Bermuda assured me that I could send it back to her if I didn't care for it, and she would not only reimburse me, but pay the postage to send it back to her in Bermuda. I fully expected to at least like the fragrance after sampling and buying 3 other Lili Bermuda scents, so I took her up on the offer.

    Unfortunately, I did not care for it and wound up sending it back.
    Basenotes sales: TDC de Bachmakov, Atelier Vetiver Fatal, Tiffany for Men mini, 17 Cuba Paris frags, L'Essence de Cerruti, Reyane Insurrection, numerous popular SAMPLES! http://www.basenotes.net/threads/472...ples-amp-More!

    Crystal Flacon sales: Prelude to Love, Noir de Noir, SAMPLES! http://flacon.ambaric.net/viewtopic.php?t=626
    Currently wearing: Néroli Sauvage by Creed

  19. #19

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    I still have one from roughly 100 years ago that I have to identify—and perhaps have analyzed (if not recreated) in the manner of Mary Celestia.
    I missed this saga, apparently. Do tell (or link to) the juicy details!
    "It's not what you look like when you're doing what you're doing; it's what you're doing when you're doing what you look like you're doing."
    Currently wearing: Yatagan by Caron

  20. #20
    Missing Oakmoss

    Bonnette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    2,870

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    This is why I love perfume. It is so romantic - behind the business models, marketing strategies and assembly lines, there is an essence, almost a soul, that carries all history and human experience within itself. It waits for the right moment. Thank you for sharing this article, Lellabelle.

  21. #21

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Thanks, interesting article!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Oviatt View Post
    I have never seen Seinfeld so can't be sure about that but it is real and I have smelled it: https://www.jpeterman.com/category/1...903-collection
    I have a bottle of 1903 that was claimed to be vintage, came in a lot of vintage colognes from estate sale. Just took a look out of curiosity and looks the same as the picture. No batch code or date or any way I know of to find production date. It's in my box of "try again and decide to keep, sell or donate", that doesn't get any smaller as have not taken the time to figure out how/where is best to sell yet....or just give up and donate....

  22. #22
    Dependent PrinceRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    California
    Posts
    2,915

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Interesting! The new bottle looks great.

  23. #23
    I’m not old: I’m vintage.
    PStoller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,408

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    I missed this saga, apparently. Do tell (or link to) the juicy details!
    I bought a collection of vintage bottles that included this:

    43EFA626-0BEF-41EB-9780-A759F10E7234.jpg

    It's a Crown Perfumery bottle from the late 19th century. I haven't properly sampled it yet, but after I got the stopper open, I took a whiff, and it smelled great. I have little doubt that the contents are genuine. Alas, the label is long gone, so I don't know which fragrance it is. It might be one of those resurrected by Barry Gibson, or one that hasn't been produced for 100 years.
    Currently wearing: JHL by Aramis

  24. #24
    Freed from BN Institution

    N.CAL Fragrance Reviewer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    50,628

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    A great article thanks for sharing this with us.
    Follow Upcoming Sync Fridays For 2020 HERE:http://www.basenotes.net/threads/471...d-Fridays-2020

    Fragrance Reviews:http://www.basenotes.net/fragrancereviews/13373062

    Interested in Learning about Discontinued/Vaulted Creeds? Join Basenotes' Creed Group: http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?groupid=35

  25. #25
    Freed from BN Institution

    N.CAL Fragrance Reviewer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    50,628

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by PStoller View Post
    I bought a collection of vintage bottles that included this:

    43EFA626-0BEF-41EB-9780-A759F10E7234.jpg

    It's a Crown Perfumery bottle from the late 19th century. I haven't properly sampled it yet, but after I got the stopper open, I took a whiff, and it smelled great. I have little doubt that the contents are genuine. Alas, the label is long gone, so I don't know which fragrance it is. It might be one of those resurrected by Barry Gibson, or one that hasn't been produced for 100 years.
    You know who would be another individual who would be a good candidate for recreating this scent? Manny Cross

    One of Manny's projects inside of Rogue Perfumery is resurrecting scents. He did this with 40 Love pour Homme by Jean Desprez which resulted in the recreation of 40 Rogue.
    Follow Upcoming Sync Fridays For 2020 HERE:http://www.basenotes.net/threads/471...d-Fridays-2020

    Fragrance Reviews:http://www.basenotes.net/fragrancereviews/13373062

    Interested in Learning about Discontinued/Vaulted Creeds? Join Basenotes' Creed Group: http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?groupid=35

  26. #26
    I’m not old: I’m vintage.
    PStoller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Location
    SoCal
    Posts
    3,408

    Default Re: Scent from a shipwreck: recreating a lost perfume

    Quote Originally Posted by N.CAL Fragrance Reviewer View Post
    You know who would be another individual who would be a good candidate for recreating this scent? Manny Cross

    One of Manny's projects inside of Rogue Perfumery is resurrecting scents. He did this with 40 Love pour Homme by Jean Desprez which resulted in the recreation of 40 Rogue.
    Indeed, I compared 40 Rogue to 40 Love in the Rogue pass thread.
    Currently wearing: JHL by Aramis




Similar Threads

  1. Recreating a Cedar Chest Scent?
    By scsmith in forum Fragrance DIY
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 5th June 2018, 08:00 PM
  2. Replies: 24
    Last Post: 10th December 2017, 09:29 AM
  3. Shipwreck from 1864 yields new perfume
    By Da Vinci in forum Male Fragrance Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 30th September 2014, 09:39 PM
  4. Recreating log fire scent
    By owen22 in forum Fragrance DIY
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 12th September 2014, 06:05 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  



Loving perfume on the Internet since 2000